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Meanwhile on the tennants of scumbag landlord forum so and so is posting.

Is it unreasonable for me to rip out the copper wire and pour concrete in the toilets, when a landlord wants to raise my rent, because he's playing the numbers?

Jerry says

How can that be? Prices are falling. Duration has nothing to do with it.

Ok, scenario for you...

Buy in 2012...

2017.. home prices hit bottom. (Officially in every big metro)

2023 home prices recover back to 2012 prices...

2030 new housing bubble starts a brewing and prices start rising toward 2006 bubble levels...(If you believe our BOOM AND BUST society will not be fixed) Then our Millennial generation has their student loans paid off and are ready to buy a house before they are too old...

Sure i missed out on the 2017 absolute bottom.. But you have something to sell in 2030.. vs. nothing to sell as a renter.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

dublin hillz says

So yeah, while it may have been better to rent than own same pad, I still would never pay that much in rent

You are paying that much and more to rent money. Either from yourself if you paid all cash or from the bank if you didn't. I don't see any difference except renting for 4500/mth saves you more money. Now, if you are gambling on the house appreciating then all bets are off. Be honest.

I would not rent for $4,500 or buy for $1.2 million. Either option is completely insane.

dodgerfanjohn says

Where does this notion come from that renters are constantly moving?
Growing up, I had two friends whose parents rented. One lived in the same apartment for 10 years. The others lived in a SFR in Monterey Park that they rented for over 20 year.
Everyone making an argument against renting keeps citing the "fact" that renters have to move all the time. Do renters really move more often than home debtors(who move every 7 years, yes yes?)

Good question. I only have my own experience go draw on, but having owned two houses and rented countless other dwellings, I would say that my average duration was about the same (both houses were

And for the record, renting doesn't suck. Are there downsides? Absolutely! But on balance I find it to be a pretty good deal. When I do need/want to move, it's a whole lot easier being a renter. I think a big part of it is that it is a choice. I may be in a small group, but I could easily afford to buy/qualify for/pay the monthly payments on a nicer house than I am currently living in. I don't do this for a variety of reasons, but it's my decision...And it being my decision makes it easier than if I just had no choice but to rent. I guess.

EDIT: Why do my comments keep getting clipped? (fixed)

dublin hillz says

RentingForHalfTheCost says

dublin hillz says

So yeah, while it may have been better to rent than own same pad, I still would never pay that much in rent

You are paying that much and more to rent money. Either from yourself if you paid all cash or from the bank if you didn't. I don't see any difference except renting for 4500/mth saves you more money. Now, if you are gambling on the house appreciating then all bets are off. Be honest.

I would not rent for $4,500 or buy for $1.2 million. Either option is completely insane.

Agreed on the insanity of either option.

What was the old rule of thumb, maximum of 33% of gross income for a mortgage or 25% of gross income for rent?

$4500 a month rent should then be $216K gross, its not one-percenter income, but its in the top 5%.

Does 1 in 20 (5%) of households pay $4500 a month or more? I would think not.

^^^^^

This is interesting.

I pay just over 25% gross in rent.

I do not believe I could find a place I want to live in at the moment for 33% gross....

Theres areas I like that are or we're pushing that point, but now there's zip as far as inventory.

swebb says

And for the record, renting doesn't suck.

Ha! I'm wondering when it will become the thing to start spamming such comments with Landlords are Liars.

For me, renting is a means of wealth preservation. As a control freak who's sensitive to his surroundings, that's the best argument I can make for renting over owning.

BoomAndBustCycle says

if they took out equity on their home during the bubble days and invested it all into Apple stock then they made a killing

LOL, they didn't buy AAPL with it, they squandered it on Pergo floors, stainless steel appliances, granite countertops, and a tropical vacation.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Sure i missed out on the 2017 absolute bottom.. But you have something to sell in 2030.. vs. nothing to sell as a renter.

Except all the stocks and bonds you accumulated over the years. Enough to buy two or three houses with cash.

Philistine says

BoomAndBustCycle says

if they took out equity on their home during the bubble days and invested it all into Apple stock then they made a killing

LOL, they didn't buy AAPL with it, they squandered it on Pergo floors, stainless steel appliances, granite countertops, and a tropical vacation.

Not to mention paying of the ballooning credit cards and getting that new motorcycle and ski boat. Oh, and that overpriced 1 month vacation in Europe. All while their salaries just barely beat inflation. Can you see the bubble? Nah, forget it.