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Dan,
a soldier killing an enemy in war is not murder. I am pretty sure you know the difference between murder and killing.

Dan8267 says

Murder is always an evil, but committing murder might not be immoral if it is the path of least evil.

Ok, I was with you using your definitions until you came to evil. Please define it, please specify who gets to define it.

I don't accept the idea of an absolute good or evil. Good and evil are subjective measures of they way people or situations affect us personally.

http://cofcc.org/2010/05/science-daily-whites-have-lowest-instance-of-maoa-l-gene-which-is-linked-to-aggression-violence-crime-and-sexual-abuse/

Bap33 says

http://cofcc.org/2010/05/science-daily-whites-have-lowest-instance-of-maoa-l-gene-which-is-linked-to-aggression-violence-crime-and-sexual-abuse/

So many problems with this article:

"Researchers have censored their own findings..." points to a dead blogspot link.

It doesn't say that the Italian court gave the defendant a lighter sentence because of MAOA-L, just that the defense brought it up.

And the only functioning link is to a study run by a political "scientist" (politics is not a science, but philosophy) and behavioral economists (also not a science), rather than psychiatrists, neurologists, or biologists (real scientists). Administering various levels of hot Sauce? Where? On the tongue? In the eyes? In the imagination? How did that work?

Cortez, Pisaro, Heydrich and Clive would be very interested to discover they didn't have the MAOA-L to slaughter great masses of people.

Bap33 says

Dan,

a soldier killing an enemy in war is not murder. I am pretty sure you know the difference between murder and killing.

Please read my full post before commenting on it. By the nomenclature I proposed it is. However, nomenclature isn't important, meaning is.

In any case, soldiers killing soldiers is evil. At best, it's the least evil out of a set of evil choices.

Please re-read the following part of my prior post:

Analysis, of course, follows semantics rather than precedes it. We should agree on a nomenclature before forming arguments even though we could always choose a different nomenclature and translate our arguments accordingly. As such, let me submit my definitions, which I have chosen for clarity alone, and then my basic philosophy.

murder - To kill a person without his permission and on purpose.

ReasonNotFaith says

Ok, I was with you using your definitions until you came to evil. Please define it, please specify who gets to define it.

fact - A statement that can be verified or disproved. Examples: Today is Tuesday. I like ice cream.

opinion - A statement that cannot even in principle be proven because it is a judgement. Example: Ice cream tastes good.

assumption - A proposed fact or opinion to be accepted as a premise. Assumptions come in three varieties: primary, principle, and convenience.

primary assumption - An assumption that must be accepted in order to have a meaningful dialog. Example: We exist.

principle assumption - An assumption that if accepted allows for further judgements, but if rejected prevents furthers judgement. Example: Life has value.

convenience assumption - An assumption that is not necessary, but simplifies discussion or decision making if accepted.

good - The set of all principle assumptions that refer to desirable states. Examples: Life has value. Love is good.

evil - The set of all principle assumptions that refer to undesirables states. Examples: Murder is evil. Hate is bad.

So by your definition, good and evil are subjective, same as I view it, correct?

What if you hate murder?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/qF3yNWvVwxg

Jesus seems reasonable. Additions to what came before. The key word there of course would be ADDITION. To the people that brought you 9/11, Iraq and debt slavery. ADDITION is very appripo. I watch as the hangmen of the "1%" snicker and try to repress their smiles. While they play the "99%" like fiddles with bullshit of old brought to you by some very well aged usuor's.

IE: if gays ever saw what the Catholic church was really about and the bullshit they pulled on them with what they have done would rip the doors off of the Vatican. I do however still think it is a great social organization place to meet women and get a free drink. There is nothing wrong with being who you are. Of course.

The ADDTION has intruded on many. It was orignally intented for the Hebrews. There is one glaring reason the addtion was made. I will not go into that just yet, however. What the two addtional religions do as you might suspect is to make the world their books reach. Makes their people and their world into a world very similar to jews. It is no coincidence. Again see them snicker and try not to laugh.

Not unlike what I feel is the complete fakery of the Atom bomb. Which gives people like the United States. The countries of the U.N. the excuse to rush in on every country they feel is not following and doing what they want. Also to stablize the regimes of the various cronies that particpate in the bullshit of addtion and the bullshit of the atomic age. So in short Religion was the Atom bomb of yesterday. It still works of course. In some ways.

You can see how I virtually decimated Israel of today filled with usury 17 banks to be exact. Everyone there has to get a mortgage to get a house. They sell land. It is filled with things that are forbidden to them.

As I wait for the smoke to arise and Jesus to swoop back in very patiently and clean up the mess and give me a little fucking justice. I wonder if that does not serve someones purpose. Being a good boy. Sittling around while the usuor's take over the world with asswipe.

THE ONE GLARING FAILURE OF THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT IS: they do not bring up the fact that asswipe is no good it has no value. That means to me that they are either stupid. Or want to prepetuate it. I DON'T LIKE THAT. See people see this melding into the same old same old with the same fucking thing with different people that will go bad quickly. Because if you use asswipe as foundation. Then they will quickly overcome you. That is left out of the equation. I don't like it.

Now if gays. Really understood what Sodom was about. How that word is even a factor. Then they would understand jump for joy at the fact. That it had an entirely different purpose. One that was misused against them.

What this is of course is this. The rest of the world was not meant to be Hebrew. Its oh so virtuious it would seem. The intent just like Iraq with its Iranian pipeline to its refineries. Chinese bullshit of we are the other side. However they are digging for oil there to. Same as the Russians. Oh no the intent was not Opiate.

However pacification. Just like an Obama who is part of a 12% minority. Which just ain't natural to elect. Especially here. No matter how much you think other people may feel guilty about someones plight. Add to that the new NBA owner running for election in Russia. It's called pacification folks. The proped up puppeted governments of Afganistan and Iraq. People we see pacification every single day.

So stick the pacifier in the childs mouth. I am not fooled. Obama wins again. Its just to volitle as of yet. The black people can stare at the touchdown they did not make. Someone else did. Feeling satisfied. It is good to be a nice person. However your fucking yourself by being naive. While they roll over your relateds, lands and take everything they have and divi it up. Think to yourself. Would your people elect a white person with a 12% white minority? Just is not natural. You may be a liberal to. However just being that doesn't cut it.

I watched Egypt. As a muslim minority was installed. Much to the relief of the happy, religious. I also watched what may have been an Egyptian soldier a woman being beaten. That splashed all over the headlines. Of course all of the injured and dead for their cause took a back seat. The majority of Egyptians are pissed off course. As you try to corral the rest of the world into believing that Egypt has a muslim majority.

Send your firepower in Abdullah you really don't belong there of course.

Enter King Abdullah who's ancestors were great inventors of relgious bullshit. Lets have a Haj, Abdullah. Funny you don't look Jewish. Leave it up to a clever Hittite. To envoke a God over his people similar to the Hebrew God that would keep them all in line, absorbing his part of the world. Can you say Julia Roberts? All though you may fit the APB of a wild jackass.. I don't think so. More pacification or relgious angst. Depending on what kind of outrage you can stir up. It's so fucking transparent.
Your part of the deal Abdullah your people were sewing tents of course. Your ancestors showed up a little late. They wrote a good bullshit story for them. Nothing like the real thing or something that sounds like it to scare the shit out of people. After all God never really gave a shit about anyone else but the Hebrews, his people. Abraham for everyone else. So thats the truth of it.

The above fail to recognize their day is done. I just love watching all of them live in denial. I find it hysterical. Also as I watch the people of Washington all connected to banking in one way or another. Sit and wait for the miricle of the asswipe to happen. The naive ordinary people of the country taken again into more debt slavery. Did Mr. Obama represent Bank of America out of Chicago as an attorney? The key here is not the person or the position. The key might be some very quick thinking agile swindlers. Who knows how play the everyday person.

Before I say have a sunny day. Do right. This has become a world of theft. Think about your future.

ReasonNotFaith says

So by your definition, good and evil are subjective, same as I view it, correct?

Depends on how you interpret subjective. Morality isn't arbitrary, but it isn't absolute. However, some morality does get developed in such a way that mimics some of the properties of convergence evolution. Two society with come up with the same solution to the same problem, so their moral codes will be remarkably similar on some issues.

ArtimusMaxtor says

I watched Egypt. As a muslim minority was installed. Much to the relief of the happy, religious. I also watched what may have been an Egyptian soldier a woman being beaten. That splashed all over the headlines. Of course all of the injured and dead for their cause took a back seat. The majority of Egyptians are pissed off course. As you try to corral the rest of the world into believing that Egypt has a muslim majority.

Artimus, with respect, that's not what happened. The same military figures who served under Mubarak still rule, the voting is still taking place. This was an act of the leftovers from the Mubarak Regime, not the Muslim Brotherhood.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ung4zxDKMfY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

This video so convienient. Yet so appripo.

Well I guess Iraq is having troubles. I love the daily bullshit brought to attention. If they were really fucking telling the truth. The Iraqi people have attacked just about every day in one way or another.

Most religions are batshit crazy at the outset. THey need that to grow rapidly like a startup.

They need time to simmer down once they attain some critical mass.

Islam is 700 years newer than the other two. Maybe in 2710 we can see whether over time all religions tend to moderation

Let the various factions of Islam kill each other until they are exhausted from all the violence and destruction. It worked for Christian Europe in the 1600s.