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Why not Trump in 2024?


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2022 Mar 20, 9:56am   450 views  21 comments

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I confess that I have never been able to get my mind around the animus that fuels the anti-Trump, well, mania. Charlie’s word is apt. I understand that there are plenty of things to criticize about Trump. Indeed, I went into the 2016 election writing a passel of columns criticizing him when not ridiculing him. After the briefest dalliance with Scott Walker, I was an enthusiastic supporter of Ted Cruz, a politician I continue to admire. ...

As the campaign went into the home stretch, I found myself agreeing with more and more of what Trump said. The United States needed to protect the border: check. We needed to put America First on everything from trade to national security: check. Democratic-run inner cities were disasters: check. We needed to exploit our energy resources — especially our abundant supplies of coal, gas and oil: check. We needed to say no to the “green energy” fanatics: check. We needed judges and justices who embodied the judicial philosophy of Antonin Scalia: check. You know the list: it is long and robust.

To everyone’s amazement, Trump won. What then? He began keeping his promises. One by one, he kept them. The border? Yes. The Keystone pipeline and fracking? Yes. By the time Trump left office, America was energy independent; indeed, it was a net exporter of energy. Now Joe Biden is begging Iran and Venezuela to sell us oil. Three Supreme Court justices and hundreds of federal judges? Yes. The stock market boomed under Trump even as unemployment, especially minority unemployment, sank to historic lows. He enacted historic tax cuts. He spent a trillion or two upgrading the military. He moved our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. The world was supposed to end when he did that, but it didn’t.

The list goes on and on. About the only promise that Trump made that he couldn’t deliver on was ending Obamacare, but that was because of the venal John McCain, who put his personal hatred of Trump above his party’s and his country’s interest.

Was Trump “divisive”? Yes, but more so than Joe Biden? Is he “extraordinarily selfish,” as Charlie says? I don’t know. Stories of his personal generosity to individuals abound, but who cares? Politicians are not running for sainthood. In my judgment, Trump had the single most successful first term of any president in recent memory. ...

All this brings me back to the adamantine animus against Trump. Charlie says that Trump refused to accept and later tried to “overturn” the results of the 2020 election. My own feeling is that the more we learn about the 2020 election, the more understandable Trump’s unhappiness is. The same goes for the January 6 protest: it was not an effort to “overturn” the election; it was a protest against the many irregularities that tainted the election — a protest, by the way, in which the FBI and other government agencies seemed to have played an important role, just as they did in the farcical Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot.

Will Donald Trump run in 2024? Some people who claim to be in a position to know say yes. Others say no. As I have said myself, there are reasons to be chary of a Trump candidacy in 2024. But the main reason, I think, is not anything that makes it into Charlie’s bill of indictment. Rather, it is Trump’s age. If my math is right, Trump would be the same age in January 2025 that Joe Biden was when he took office. That is not encouraging. The American government is too much a gerontocracy, I think, and some fresh blood in the corridors of power would be a good thing.

That said, I would eagerly support Trump should he be the nominee. Why? Three reasons. One, I agree with almost every particular of his platform and believe, from his performance the first time around, that he would continue to deliver peace and prosperity for the American people. I just hope that he has a more loyal team and fewer snakes in the civil service. Two, I think Trump would win: he has tens of millions of avid supporters. Three, it would infuriate the cadre of Never Trumpers, on the well-pressed right as well as the left, and that is a spectacle that would be worth the price of admission.

The prospect of that spectacle brings me back to the puzzlement I mentioned earlier: why the unstoppable animus against Trump? I do not believe it is because people think he is a man of “bad character” or that he issued mean tweets or that he is “divisive.” Such things are mere placeholders. I used to say that the main objection to Trump is “aesthetic,” by which term I meant to encompass his unconventional style and unclubbableness. If Nancy Mitford were writing about Donald Trump, she would certainly describe him as “Non-U.” It’s a matter of class.

Trump is an intruder on the regime class of American politics. Once upon a time, it boasted lots of homespun elements. But for decades now it has been the province of an administrative elite whose perfect incarnation is Davos Man. Such people believe they have a natural, almost an hereditary, right to rule. The American people disabused them of that presumption in 2016. The elite was aghast and vowed never to let it happen again.

That’s why they are moving heaven and earth to prevent a return showing in 2024.


My complaints about Trump are his pushing the vaxx, and his chumminess with the terrorists who run Saudi Arabia. But aside from that, I think America would once again have peace and prosperity if Trump were re-elected. Can I dream about a Trump-DeSantis ticket, or is that impossible?

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1   mell   2022 Mar 20, 10:57am  

Trump and De Santis would be unstoppable. No matter who is VP
2   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Mar 20, 11:15am  

mell says
Trump and De Santis would be unstoppable. No matter who is VP


id like to add my 7cents (not just 2 due to inflation). i think that would rob Florida of amazing governor. what i think would be better is Trump/RobertKennedy.

trump is business guy, kennedy looks out for children and families. it would be good balance.
3   mell   2022 Mar 20, 11:17am  

Fortwaynemobile says
mell says
Trump and De Santis would be unstoppable. No matter who is VP


id like to add my 7cents (inflation). i think that would rob Florida of amazing governor. what i think would be better is Trump/RobertKennedy.

trump is business guy, kennedy looks out for children and families. it would be good balance.


Agreed. But I think de Santis will run anyways. Should he win who could replace him? Pam Bondi maybe?!
4   Tenpoundbass   2022 Mar 20, 11:42am  

Patrick says
My complaints about Trump are his pushing the vaxx, and his chumminess with the terrorists who run Saudi Arabia. But aside from that, I think America would once again have peace and prosperity if Trump were re-elected.


That pales in comparison to my gripes about him. I mean who are we to criticize and second guess his policy? He got more done in 4 years, than 50 years worth of Presidents combined.

My two gripes with him, is he allowed unelected Bureaucrats, Advisors and Staff dictate to him what he can and can't do. While at the same time, allowing those evil vile forces to post Larp and Propaganda in his Twitter feed to placate his base into believing that those same bastards were secretly working behind the scenes to bring the corrupt deep state to justice. He knew it was all bullshit, but allowed us to revel in the hype.

Perhaps his base could have taken the 2020 election steal more seriously had he been up front with us, and those Foreign invaders that were taping up the windows while the CNN news crews mocked those that were concerned, would have never happened. Because we would have not sat on our asses assuming elections were honest.
There would have been blood to pay, had they tried.
5   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2022 Mar 20, 3:12pm  

His inability to perceive Fauci and Birx as incompetent and toxic was unfortunate.
6   just_passing_through   2022 Mar 20, 4:16pm  

Go Trump or Go Home!
7   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Mar 20, 5:28pm  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says
His inability to perceive Fauci and Birx as incompetent and toxic was unfortunate.


or many other swampers. from day 1 they were beating his team isolating him and it never recovered
8   RC2006   2022 Mar 20, 5:41pm  

He is to old.
9   Shaman   2022 Mar 20, 6:04pm  

I’m not sure Trump’s age is a problem. He presents as someone who is healthy and vigorous and fully in control of his mental faculties. Perhaps a lifetime of no bad health habits (aside from rich food) served him well here. If the vax hasn’t killed him by 2024, he’s a safe bet.
10   porkchopXpress   2022 Mar 20, 7:52pm  

I like to fantasize that Trump and his elite supporters allowed him to lose in order to spotlight to the world that we have a broken election system. Perhaps they knew Biden was going to be a disaster and this was going to build so much hatred for the Left, that we just had to put up with 2 years of Blue until a Red earthquake happens and serious change can occur. I feel like the citizenry had to experience Left-wing authoritarianism and get the shit scared out of them in order to wake up. The "swamp" took decades to fill and something cataclysmic was needed to truly begin the draining the process. Again, this is my fantasy and who knows, it may all work out that way.
11   just_passing_through   2022 Mar 20, 8:25pm  

Shaman says
(aside from rich food)


He's lost a lot of weight.
12   just_passing_through   2022 Mar 20, 8:28pm  

porkchopexpress says
I like to fantasize that Trump and his elite supporters allowed him to lose in order to spotlight to the world that we have a broken election system. Perhaps they knew Biden was going to be a disaster and this was going to build so much hatred for the Left, that we just had to put up with 2 years of Blue until a Red earthquake happens and serious change can occur. I feel like the citizenry had to experience Left-wing authoritarianism and get the shit scared out of them in order to wake up. The "swamp" took decades to fill and something cataclysmic was needed to truly begin the draining the process. Again, this is my fantasy and who knows, it may all work out that way.


It's nice to fantasize but: (see: WEF)

Also: Yuan as new reserve currency and recent events related to Russia and China

I think 'the plan' is a multi-polar world unlike the cold war. Where Westerners are highly controlled with little individual rights.
13   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 21, 1:13am  

I want Trump as Speaker of the House and in control of the Purse. Nothing gets done without kissing his ass and voting on his policies.

He could pick from any one of upteen Florida CDs and win handily. Problem is the shits in the House wouldn't elect him with some RINO ass excuse, like he's too fiscally unconservative after the approved a $1.5T spending bill for $6B in aid to Ukraine.
14   rocketjoe79   2022 Mar 21, 9:11pm  

Couldn't that be the escape route from Biden - Harris? If Trump is Selected as Speaker, he's third in line, right? Biden gets 25thed, Harris impeached, Trump is back! Then he can be re-elected in 2024 for a total of 6 years as prez. Not as long as FDR, but pretty good....
15   Onvacation   2022 Mar 24, 8:50pm  

Know your enemy

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16   Hircus   2022 Mar 24, 9:21pm  

Have we found the male version of luke crywalker?





He seems like a joke. I wonder what his real name is so we can see if he's really a lib.

edit his name is Cassady Campbell, and hes a troll. A very funny one lol.

Another troll came after him:

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17   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Mar 24, 9:30pm  

Onvacation says
Know your enemy

original link
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super troll, this dude is hilarious
18   porkchopXpress   2022 Mar 24, 9:42pm  

Sometimes I fantasize about Trump getting reelected, and I touch myself indiscriminately.
19   WookieMan   2022 Mar 24, 11:57pm  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says
His inability to perceive Fauci and Birx as incompetent and toxic was unfortunate.

My single biggest beef with Trump is this. He had the power to fire Fauci and didn't. Covid was never as dangerous as the propaganda put out there. Trump knew it, but it was outside his realm of knowledge.

If you haven't been fucked over by the medical field in your lifetime, you just trust the doc. I sat in misery for one month because multiple dip shits couldn't figure out my gall bladder was fucking me up. All symptoms were soooooooo obvious. I remember the day my mom and I went through the big medical book we had (paper version of WebMD basically at the time) and diagnosed my issue. Demanded an ultrasound. Boom. Gall stone.

Mind you it was rare for a 20 year old male to have that issue, but since then everyone in my family has had it removed. So for me I think it was hereditary. Either way it was a blatantly obvious diagnosis.

My wife is now sick for the 3rd time since getting the vax. Not boosted. Nothing severe, but she never, never, never gets sick even with a cold. Lady stuff is back to normal, but on the hormonal level she is still off from pre-vax, specifically emotionally. I blame Fauci for that and Trump pushed the vaccine as a way to solve the problem even though I think he knew it was BS. He is/was stubborn and I think out of his element with the medical field and just trusted the "science."
20   WillyWanker   2022 Mar 25, 2:47am  

I was a lifelong democrat and former liberal who saw life through rose-colored glasses. My wake-up call came on 9/11. The seeds of my conservatism were planted on that fateful day and germinated for years while I battled with my self over a lifetime of leftist indoctrination. Eventually I admitted that I was wrong and that my overly optimistic assessment of humanity needed examining.

When Donald Trump first decided to run, I thought it was amusing. I was never a fan of his...I never watched The Apprentice and I thought he was a bloviating windbag from the time he penned The Art Of The Deal. As his campaign took off, however, I became mesmerized. Here was a man who was not afraid to say what he thought. Here was a man who wanted to place America in the first position and not be ashamed to be called an American. This was a man I could relate to.

For me, Donald Trumps 2016 victory was a huge 'fuck you' to the powers that be: The MSM, the political hacks, the race-pimps, Hollywood elites and pretty much everyone who thought you had to be an insider to get in. I feel, as do others, that the election was stolen and and I don't trust our government or the media.

If Trump runs again, I will gladly vote for him. He is the tonic we need to get America back up, front and center. His age doesn't worry me. I just doubt that he wants to go through the hell of an election cycle and I don't blame him. The stolen election made it much easier for me to pull up stakes and move out of the US.
21   richwicks   2022 Mar 25, 3:37am  

WillyWanker says
I was a lifelong democrat and former liberal who saw life through rose-colored glasses. My wake-up call came on 9/11. The seeds of my conservatism were planted on that fateful day and germinated for years while I battled with my self over a lifetime of leftist indoctrination. Eventually I admitted that I was wrong and that my overly optimistic assessment of humanity needed examining.


@WillyWanker - what's your opinion on 9/11? My opinion is that my government at minimum was deeply involved in it. That it was essentially a false flag. I'll take you down the rabbit hole if you like, and you're free to call me stupid, paranoid, or crazy if you like.

WillyWanker says
When Donald Trump first decided to run, I thought it was amusing. I was never a fan of his...I never watched The Apprentice and I thought he was a bloviating windbag from the time he penned The Art Of The Deal.


I also felt that way, but I was happy that that a blood soaked Neocon bitch like Clinton wasn't elected to begin with, and I was happy to see the propaganda "news" services demolish the last bits of their credibility.

WillyWanker says
For me, Donald Trumps 2016 victory was a huge 'fuck you' to the powers that be: The MSM, the political hacks, the race-pimps, Hollywood elites and pretty much everyone who thought you had to be an insider to get in. I feel, as do others, that the election was stolen and and I don't trust our government or the media.


The huge fuck you to the establishment is what made me giddy. If they just ran SOMEBODY that was against the stupid Iraq war and was against these stupid pointless wars in general - but it was Trump that openly voiced his opposition to the Iraq War. That's why I initially preferred him. Clinton was the devil I knew, and that devil, there's nothing worse. I didn't know what we'd get with Trump, but I knew what we'd get with Clinton - the same fuckery we're getting with Biden.

WillyWanker says
If Trump runs again, I will gladly vote for him. He is the tonic we need to get America back up, front and center. His age doesn't worry me. I just doubt that he wants to go through the hell of an election cycle and I don't blame him. The stolen election made it much easier for me to pull up stakes and move out of the US.


Do you really want to run away and allow this once great country to devolve into a despotic dictatorship?

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