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A hammerless pistol is a better choice for CC

BlueSardine says

Well a lot of hate and resentment by blacks due to how our white ancestors treated them. Like dogs. Whites born in post slavery era legitimately claim they are not responsible for the sins of their ancestors.
Blacks born in post slavery era are much more likely to be in a poor handicapped situation thus are more likely to blame whity for their lot in life.
Some type of assist to lift blacks up and into an equal situation with whity when borne is needed to end this cycle . Handouts are not the solution, only going into the hands of the corrupt.
The solution is out there waiting to be discovered and embraced.

I hope you understand that many US whites came from lineage that had nothing to do with slavery at all, there were no sins of ancestors. Skin color, however, is a common characteristic between them and descendants of slave owners (many of them anyways, there were also black slave owners). Think Polish/Italian/xUSSR/Irish/etc.

While a non-trivial number of blacks here are first/second generation immigrants from other continents, and have nothing to do with descendants of slaves. Skin color is a shared characteristic (although there were also white slaves). Ironically, they may in fact be descendants of people from other continents who sold their countrymen to ships that took them to slavery in US.

What you are describing - hating on a group because of their skin color - is definition of racism. Do you realize that this is how you are painting blacks in this country? (btw, I disagree)

BlueSardine says

Irrelevant.
White people enslaved the blacks and brought them to america.
Do you deny this?
willywonka says

BlueSardine says

how our white ancestors treated them

Most white Americans' ancestors did no such thing. Do you actually believe what you are saying?

What you say is irrelevant?

mostly_reader says

Think Polish/Italian/xUSSR/Irish/etc.

Also German immigrants, Nordic immigrants, many Scottish immigrants, Eastern European immigrants and the list goes on. All these white people have no “original sin” having slaver ancestors. I believe there was an article about this recently where about 13% of white people had slaver ancestors, as opposed to over 50% of black Americans.

Also, African immigrants seem to have zero problem assimilating and getting ahead in the USA.

WineHorror1 says

A hammerless pistol is a better choice for CC

Google "Glock leg".

mostly_reader says

I hope you understand that many US whites came from lineage that had nothing to do with slavery at all, there were no sins of ancestors. Skin color, however, is a common characteristic between them and descendants of slave owners (many of them anyways, there were also black slave owners). Think Polish/Italian/xUSSR/Irish/etc.

While a non-trivial number of blacks here are first/second generation immigrants from other continents, and have nothing to do with descendants of slaves. Skin color is a shared characteristic (although there were also white slaves). Ironically, they may in fact be descendants of people from other continents who sold their countrymen to ships that took them to slavery in US.

What you are describing - hating on a group because of their skin color - is definition of racism.

Yes, and the "white supremacy" hoax is just to give racists an excuse to hate, to make them feel good about their racism, which is an ugly thing. This serves the interests of Russia, the US Chamber of Commerce, and the Democratic Party, all of whom benefit immensely by getting Americans to fight with each other.

Not one of my ancestors had anything to do with slavery. And this is true for the large majority of Americans.

Give up hate, live in peace. You'll be much happier. Buddha said a few wise things about this:

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.

Hatred has never been defeated by hatred, but only by love; this is an eternal rule.

BayArea says

What was the national number Patrick? 28x or something.

Depends on the crime. On the order of 10x to 20x for most violent crime, but infinite for rape.

That is, there tens of thousands of black rapes of white women each year but actually zero rapes of black women by white men. I know that seems unlikely, but it seems to be true. The FBI has taken to hiding these statistics, but they are still out there if you look.

Black people specifically seek out and target white people for violent crime far more than the reverse. The mainstream media will never publish this fact. The mainstream media undermines its own credibility by ignoring facts for political reasons.

Now, this fact of widespread black racism against whites should not be played up either. We should all try to get along and resist our common enemy, the US Chamber of Commerce.

BlueSardine says

due to how our white ancestors treated them

Not my ancestors.

Not one.

Yours? And even if yours had some guilt, should you be guilty for something you didn't do?

Blacks are the most racist people in the USA as a group.

They hate Whites, Koreans, Jews, and to a large degree Haitians, Jamaicans, and African Immigrants (who make them look full of shit)

mostly_reader says

I hope you understand that many US whites came from lineage that had nothing to do with slavery at all, there were no sins of ancestors. Skin color, however, is a common characteristic between them and descendants of slave owners (many of them anyways, there were also black slave owners). Think Polish/Italian/xUSSR/Irish/etc.

Moreover, if slavery which ended in 1863 in US is still having detrimental effects on the descendants of the slaves to this day, the same should be true for the descendants of slaves coming from Russian Empire where, coincidentally, the slavery was ended just two years earlier, yet nobody claims "inequality at birth" for that population.

And it would be weird to demand reparations for slavery from the descendants of the slaves, won't it?

I worked in Boston for a year and the Haitian cleaning woman at my job had two sons in medical school. She had no time for self-pitying black Americans. America was being very good to her and her sons, and she loved it here.

I admired her.

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

WineHorror1 says

A hammerless pistol is a better choice for CC

Google "Glock leg".

I still say hammerless is best. Clothing or fingers can get caught behind the hammer and render the weapon useless. Especially if you don't have time or can't pull it out of your pocket. Besides, one needs to learn best practices for any gun. Btw, doesn't a glock have a slide yet we're talking about glock leg? Maybe I misunderstood your comment and what side of the debate you are arguing for?

I haven't actually shot a hammerless gun but I would imagine the pull weight is a big factor.

WineHorror1 says

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

WineHorror1 says

A hammerless pistol is a better choice for CC

Google "Glock leg".

I still say hammerless is best. Clothing or fingers can get caught behind the hammer and render the weapon useless. Especially if you don't have time or can't pull it out of your pocket. Besides, one needs to learn best practices for any gun. Btw, doesn't a glock have a slide yet we're talking about glock leg? Maybe I misunderstood your comment and what side of the debate you are arguing for?

I haven't actually shot a hammerless gun but I would imagine the pull weight is a big factor.

There has been a significant uptick in self-shooting incidents since striker-fired pistols became the mainstream carry weapons. Happens mostly on re-holstering when either a piece of clothing or a fold in a holster itself catches the trigger. Pistols with hammers (even these w/o external safeties like P-series SIGs, for example) are usually re-holstered with a thumb on the said hammer, which prevents "Glock leg" scenario from happening.

And obligatory:

www.youtube.com/embed/am-Qdx6vky0

Patrick says

Black people specifically seek out and target white people for violent crime far more than the reverse. The mainstream media will never publish this fact. The mainstream media undermines its own credibility by ignoring facts for political reasons.

Here is a screamingly obvious example:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7390877/NYPD-arrest-black-man-committing-hate-crimes-against-white-people.html

Why do we have to go to a foreign newspaper site to read facts about life in the US?

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

with a thumb on the said hammer, which prevents "Glock leg" scenario from happening.

Hmm, sounds like good gun safety procedure. I am purchasing a pistol soon, I'll keep these things in mind when choosing one.

Those Obama Sons were damn lucky he was a Trump supporter. We're pretty reserved, but you don't want to fuck with us. All it would have taken though is one of those punks spitting in his face. Because they felt disrespected by him pulling a gun and interrupting their Liberal Arts Ritual.

Who is demanding reparations for blacks besides the lefty libfuck candidates?
Iranian_Oil_Burse says

And it would be weird to demand reparations for slavery from the descendants of the slaves, won't it?

Who said anything about inherited ancestral guilt and reparations?
BlueSardine says

Remember we are addressing modern day inequality at birth, and why the black man attacks white people at a very high ratio

Patrick says

BlueSardine says

due to how our white ancestors treated them

Not my ancestors.

Not one.

Yours? And even if yours had some guilt, should you be guilty for something you didn't do?

BlueSardine says

BlueSardine says

Remember we are addressing modern day inequality at birth, and why the black man attacks white people at a very high ratio

Nobodys claiming inequality at birth. The claim is the majority of black men start life as a child in a rat infested shithole as a side effect of centuries of slavery. Wealth is passed down through generations. Whity had all the wealth in the 1700s. Most whites are not born into a shithole. Do the math.
Iranian_Oil_Burse says

Moreover, if slavery which ended in 1863 in US is still having detrimental effects on the descendants of the slaves to this day, the same should be true for the descendants of slaves coming from Russian Empire where, coincidentally, the slavery was ended just two years earlier, yet nobody claims "inequality at birth" for that population.

Yall bitched at the beginning of this thread about high percentages of black on white crime. I'm giving you a plausible reason why. And a rough sketch on how to lower that ratio.
And yall ignore that and fall back on tired and worn comebacks that have nothing to do with moving forward, and all to do with being Whiny Little Bitches.
Do yall really want to make Bill Maher a prophet???

The solution is what people don't want to hear.

Stop rewarding hos with free shit.

Hos with free shit = good guys go last, hot criminal bad boys get the pussy. The public pays for neglected kids, who grow up to want to be bad boys to get the pussy.

Ghettos got 10x worse with the New Society. Not better, worse. Black people were MORE likely to get married, stay married, and had lower divorce than Whitey until the 1960s.

Even a flaming liberal Sociologist like Daniel Patrick Moynihan saw it 50 years ago by studying the stats. His recommendation was to stop undermining the Black Father.

This is true across race and religion lines, too.

BlueSardine says

The claim is the majority of black men start life as a child in a rat infested shithole as a side effect of centuries of slavery.

The sole remaining side effect of slavery is such a bad attitude that no one wants to hire American blacks.

Other groups started in America in similar or even worse conditions and did just fine after a generation, or two, or three. Lots of Irish neighborhoods were dangerous shitholes, and the old Jewish neighborhoods in NY were not much better, and many Chinese neighborhoods are borderline shitholes right now.

The man in the video was awesome. He first tried to pepper spray them because he's compassionate and didn't want to blow their stupid heads off. But, when his bottle of spray fell and was picked up by the racist thug, he pulled out his steel law enforcement and instantly neutralized the situation, safely, and effectively.

I'm not sure how this event started, but I have a feeling if I knew I would probably wish he had just taken their crime off the streets forever in that moment.

+1 to that man.

HonkpilledMaster says

stop undermining the Black Father.

Great phrasing. This should be THE discussion for our society.

btw here's a link to the story for this vid

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6902709/Chicago-duty-cop-pulls-gun-two-thugs-attacking-outside-McDonalds.html

Just read that. Then I'm not crazy. Middle Aged White guy getting pummelled by punks... secret happiness. He reverses the situation by pulling a gun? Oh, AH! No hurty thug life! Evil Whitey with gun! Just take your beating, Whitey!

Chicago and state is a rich area, which still has pockets of ghetto (Cabrini green) nearby. Surprising this happened in the daytime though. 30 incidents in last 35 days? I guess we know where the cool kids hang out.

CBOEtrader says

30 incidents in last 35 days?

I noticed that too. I bet this mcd's has enormous amounts of procedure and documenting they need to do to keep records on all the diversity that goes on at their location. Maybe the corporate big wigs get lucky and get to be "enriched" on store visit day?

True but those groups did not have an American history of being slaves for generations, hung from trees, family raped by whity. Where are the equivalent stories passed down from generation to generation for the Irish, the Italians, etc etc
Kids are taught their history as they grow up from their parents. How much hate would that generate in you if your father told you how the Americans had you as slaves hung you from trees raped your women?

Patrick says

Other groups started in America in similar or even worse conditions and did just fine after a generation, or two, or three.

BlueSardine says

True but those groups did not have an American history of being slaves for generations, hung from trees, family raped by whity. Where are the equivalent stories passed down from generation to generation for the Irish, the Italians, etc etc
Kids are taught their history as they grow up from their parents. How much hate would that generate in you if your father told you how the Americans had you as slaves hung you from trees raped your women?

Patrick says

Other groups started in America in similar or even worse conditions and did just fine after a generation, or two, or three.

Doubtful. Most kids black or white hardly know the history of their grandparents. The late night tales of longstanding family history are a myth. Instead they are talking about the latest air Jordan Sneakers, sports, school etc. Similar if you look really really hard you may find one or two 100 year old English men who still hate Germans for ww2, but it has no impact whatsoever on society or opportunity. Again it's mainly in the interest of white leftoids to justify their unnecessary jobs promoting race and gender baiting. Imagine how much money we'd save getting rid of all the aff. action and gender bs, fire all the race baiters and put that money to work for all American citizens in need for a little help with education or to score their first internship or entry level job. That would be true winning right there.

No way to know this one way or the other. Only from personal experience.
mell says

Doubtful. Most kids black or white hardly know the history of their grandparents. The late night tales of longstanding family history are a myth.

BlueSardine says

True but those groups did not have an American history of being slaves for generations...

Peasants coming from the Russian Empire sure did.

BlueSardine says

No way to know this one way or the other. Only from personal experience.
mell says

Doubtful. Most kids black or white hardly know the history of their grandparents. The late night tales of longstanding family history are a myth.

I get what you're saying, but any black or white kid under 30 is really far removed from any knowledge of slavery even with a rich documentation of family history. A 30 year olds grandma was likely born in the 1930-1950's. So their own grandparents (if alive) would have had to have interactions with their great grandparents basically, to have any second hand knowledge and then pass that down to their 30 year old grandkid.

If the family is still hung up on great, great, great, great grandma cleaning a house, getting meals and free lodging, then it might be time to get over it. And yes, I understand parts of slavery were brutal, it's documented. The reality of the situation is their family lineage is substantially better off having been slaves instead of being stuck in Africa. Sometimes you got to see the glass as half full. Doesn't make it right, but shit could be WAAAAAYYYYYYY worse for blacks specifically without slavery having happened in America.

I was born into a shithole, while black Americans nearby had a lot more than us.

You are making up artificial reality.

BlueSardine says

Nobodys claiming inequality at birth. The claim is the majority of black men start life as a child in a rat infested shithole as a side effect of centuries of slavery. Wealth is passed down through generations. Whity had all the wealth in the 1700s. Most whites are not born into a shithole. Do the math.
Iranian_Oil_Burse says

Moreover, if slavery which ended in 1863 in US is still having detrimental effects on the descendants of the slaves to this day, the same should be true for the descendants of slaves coming from Russian Empire where, coincidentally, the slavery was ended just two years earlier, yet nobody claims "inequality at birth" for that population.

The Claim that Black People still suffer racism that prevents them from achieving success is demonstrably false.

The reason African-Americans hate "Real African-"Americans, Haitians, and Jamaicans is because they do perfectly fine in "White Supremacist America" despite most of them being Stovepipe-covered-in-soot Black as Night Nappy Headed or Dreadlocked Big League Schwatzes.

African-American Grief Industry is strong and heavily subsidized by the State via Academia.

Vietnamese American : $64,191[6]
Scotch-Irish American (2016) : $64,187[2]
Yugoslavian American (2016) : $63,765[2]
Dutch American (2016) : $63,597[2]
French American (2016) : $63,471[2]
Syrian American (2016): $63,096[2]
Albanian American (2016) : $62,624[2]
Indonesian American : $61,943[4]
Guyanese American (2016) : $60,968[2]
Nigerian American (2016): $60,732[2]
British West Indian American (2016): $60,407[2]
Vietnamese American : $58,700[7]
(Foreign Born)
Cuban American : $57,000[8]
West Indian American : $56,998[2]
Arab American (2016): $56,597[2]
Brazilian American (2016): $56,151[2]

Nigerian households are richer than Cubans, Arabs, Brazilians, barely poorer than those of Dutch or French ancestry households, and richer than foreign born Vietnamese households.

The richest group in WHITE! SUPREMACIST! AMERICA! are those Hindu Indians.

Nigerian households are richer than Cubans, Arabs, Brazilians, barely poor than those of Dutch or French ancestry households

Yes, because the Nigerian immigrants are living off the ancestor wealth from when their ancestors sold the "slow footers" to the Portuguese.

BlueSardine says

Yall bitched at the beginning of this thread about high percentages of black on white crime. I'm giving you a plausible reason why. And a rough sketch on how to lower that ratio.

If your ideas had any relationship to reality, we’d take them seriously. As it is, they’re exactly 180° wrong and represent an outmoded and frankly dated way of thinking that’s been disproven over and over in the past few decades. You should consider taking your education into the 21st century.