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Hugolas_Madurez says

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

You said it right there, SFBA, the land of flakes and dreamers. Realize, I'm an east coaster. My strip of land is between Boston and DC.

Hugolas_Madurez says

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

Same in SoCal.

Rin says

Hugolas_Madurez says

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

You said it right there, SFBA, the land of flakes and dreamers. Realize, I'm an east coaster. My strip of land is between Boston and DC.

So, what's the equivalent of beige Corolla from 20 years ago in Assachussets? Same beige Corolla but with floors rusted through?

Rin says

I don't get it; why are you folks so captivated by this EV/Tesla fandom?

I don't get the hate on Tesla and Musk.

Musk is one of the few Silicon Valley types who is not a total SJW moron and actually building a product people want.

One can argue that he is struggling to be one of the first new American mass producers of cars in several decades, but I don't think anyone can credibly complain about the quality and amazing technology of Tesla cars. Tesla has set the bar that all of the other established automakers like Audi, GM, Volkswagon, Hyundai are trying to catch up.

Even if Tesla goes out of business today, they have done a great service setting the bar so high.

socal2 says

I don't get the hate on Tesla and Musk.

I don't hate Musk personally or any of his companies. I just don't get the insane valuation of a stock whose stock valuation should be in line with other automakers.

zzyzzx says

I don't hate Musk personally or any of his companies. I just don't get the insane valuation of a stock whose stock valuation should be in line with other automakers.

That is certainly a fair complaint - and the stock has been correcting all year.

Again, I just look at the Teslas as a product.......and they are light years ahead of most of the competition.

Hugolas_Madurez says

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

Well that could explain it as well. Perhaps Musk is bias to delivering to West Coast customers over East Coast customers.

socal2 says

they are light years ahead of most of the competition

In what ways?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

If he wasn't a narcissistic twit, he'd sell car thing to GM and take over the world bolting big batteries and increasingly efficient solar panels to houses.

Or just focus on SpaceX which has been a remarkable success eclipsing what the US, Russia and China has done recently.

Heraclitusstudent says

socal2 says

they are light years ahead of most of the competition

In what ways?

Acceleration
www.youtube.com/embed/8ye7Vh-_b50

Battery efficiency
Auto-driving
Safety
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/tesla-model-3-earns-perfect-5-star-nhtsa-safety-rating.html
Security
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7035515/Tesla-catches-vandals-scratch-key-inbuilt-switches-videos-them.html
Over-The-Air software updates

If they have problems being profitable now, with a small slowdown in car sales, they will not survive the next recession.

They need to build more snooty yuppie assholes as customers first.

Quick make a cheap cheap SUV....

Heraclitusstudent says

If they have problems being profitable now, with a small slowdown in car sales, they will not survive the next recession.

Many of the big traditional US automakers wouldn't have survived the last recession without a government bailout.

Tesla doesn't have the big union legacy costs as the other US automakers, so they have less of an excuse and need to get their costs in line pronto.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Space freight, yeah. It's a business.

Is there any other space business right now? SpaceX is doing a commercial launch about every 2 weeks at much lower costs than its international competitors.

That is nothing to sneeze at.

A private company (SpaceX) is beating NASA, Russia and China.......all who have decades of rocket experience and the massive financial backings of large nations.

Heraclitusstudent says

In what ways?

Largest battery factory in the world.

socal2 says

Acceleration

There is zero need to accelerate any faster at all than what has been possible for the last decades, unless you want to connect some ultra-smart and bug-proof AI that can use lightning fast acceleration in swerve maneuvers for accident prevention. Which isn't happening. It's probably causing more accidents as people try to impress by showing off. So acceleration is merely used for status-symbol signaling. They may need the battery business to success in a grand manner to survive. My bet is they will eventually get bought for less than their current valuation.

Hugolas_Madurez says

So, what's the equivalent of beige Corolla from 20 years ago in Assachussets? Same beige Corolla but with floors rusted through?

You can toss in the rusted Civics a/o Altimas. And if you want to play the regional name calling game, it's Masshole, not Assachusetts. And yes, I'm a proud Masshole, at least against NYC and Philadelphia. I know that Eagles fans have never forgiven us for the 2004 Super Bowl, regardless of last year's win.

If you want to know, some 1/3 of the nation lives in the various metropolitan regions between Boston and DC. That's more ppl per square mile than anywhere else in the USA. So pleaz, stop the Californication. We deal with real weather on our side of the fence. And batteries don't do well in the winter time.

socal2 says

Musk is one of the few Silicon Valley types who is not a total SJW moron and actually building a product people want.

There's nothing wrong with building a new product, whether it's truly original or some hybridization of earlier works. The problem is that this is becoming some sort of "cult of personality" product line for Cali types than something for the masses.

mell says

socal2 says

Acceleration

There is zero need to accelerate any faster at all than what has been possible the last decades, unless you want to connect it some ultra-smart and bug-proof AI that can use lightning fast acceleration in swerve maneuvers for accident prevention. Which isn't happening. It's probably causing more accidents as people try to impress by showing off. So acceleration is merely used for status-symbol signaling.

Yes, because real life is not 'The Fast and Furious'. The regular folks (as oppose to some punks) don't drag race on highways w/o getting their license revoked by State Troopers. I've seen numerous 'punks' pulled over over the years for playing Vin Diesel on our east coast highways.

mell says

There is zero need to accelerate any faster at all than what has been possible for the last decades,

Have you ever driven an EV? The acceleration is exquisite. I just have a Chevy Bolt which is not as quick as the baseline Teslas, and it is a total blast to drive every day. I don't even speed that much. I just get to the speed limit as quickly as possible in a very smooth and quiet fashion without being obnoxious with a loud ICE engine. Every time I get to accelerate off a stop light is a joy and never seems to get old.

The one pedal driving and regenerative engine braking is just the icing on the cake.

Driving my wife's ICE car just feels stupid to me now.

socal2 says

mell says

There is zero need to accelerate any faster at all than what has been possible for the last decades,

Have you ever driven an EV? The acceleration is exquisite. I just have a Chevy Bolt which is not as quick as the baseline Teslas, and it is a total blast to drive every day. I don't even speed that much. I just get to the speed limit as quickly as possible in a very smooth and quiet fashion without being obnoxious with a loud ICE engine. Every time I get to accelerate off a stop light is a joy and never seems to get old.

The one pedal driving and regenerative engine braking is just the icing on the cake.

Driving my wife's ICE car just feels stupid to me now.

Yeah, but then again I prefer manual transmission and do the engine breaking myself. Whether it's regenerative or not is not a feature specific to EVs only, ICEs/hybrids have it too. I like the Bolt and think that EVs will mix with ICEs but Teslas will be a minority or vanish if not bought out. With the tight speed limits in the US and CA in general I reach the speed limit too fast with the manual transmission. Hybrids seem most useful to me but I prefer ICEs although ultimately a ca is utilitarian and I'm not religious wrt to the type as long as it's reliable and easy to repair without too much software in it. Also Turbo-diesel tech is completely underrated.

Rin says

I don't get it; why are you folks so captivated by this EV/Tesla fandom?

.....With the above stated, today I'm a grown up and prefer to be driven around by a chauffeur and enjoy life.

You can't be serious asking such a question. You of all posters on this blog should "get it".

The Tesla is a Status Symbol. Like the Rented Babe Dining Companion. To Be Seen With.

They go Ape Sh*t for the the "performance". Like some performance you shared about an encounter.

What's not to understand?

socal2 says

Acceleration

It's taken 56 years to get here. Ten years before this race, the Ford had an engine designed in 1932 and the Chevy designed in 1929--both produced a little over 100 horsepower, including the brand new Corvette. Ten years later, this is what you could walk into any dealership and order:

www.youtube.com/embed/VDl2SnjUkkM

B.A.C.A.H. says

The Tesla is a Status Symbol.

Then those fanboys should just say so, it's for status, since many of them are not millionaires for real. Read my posting on that exact topic ...

http://patrick.net/post/1318339/2018-08-20-i-have-a-friend-who-drives-a-tesla-i-say-so-what

B.A.C.A.H. says

Like the Rented Babe Dining Companion. To Be Seen With.

And that's because I don't want to be seen as 'gay' at high end Boston restaurants where outside of those power business dinners, the other male couples are South Enders (see Boston's Gay Enclave). Realize, I've got the cash to eat at those places but I can't be seen there with non-business guys.


B.A.C.A.H. says

Like some performance you shared about an encounter.

As for the pony baloney, banging hoes in Montreal, gets the job done. And yes, that's called buying an experience, not an object to show off to others. The whole performance thing is retarded because last I'd checked, there were state troopers on the highway flagging the 'Fast and Furious' crowd.

Rin says

Hugolas_Madurez says

So, what's the equivalent of beige Corolla from 20 years ago in Assachussets? Same beige Corolla but with floors rusted through?

You can toss in the rusted Civics a/o Altimas.

Pathetic.

Yep, Rin.

You're being more honest about your likes.

Welcome to Silicon Valley.

B.A.C.A.H. says

You're being more honest about your likes.

Welcome to Silicon Valley.

Yes, it's strange, having olde world New England values when so many ppl are Californicating out there.

Rin says

Yes, it's strange, having olde world New England values

How exactly fucking prostitutes fits into "olde world New England values"? That stuff is illegal in New England exactly because of these values.

Hugolas_Madurez says

How exactly fucking prostitutes fits into "olde world New England values"?

We're very prudent about money and thus, seeing hoes definitely beats divorce court and losing half of one's portfolio.

And on the other side of the pond, during the height of the British Empire, a lot of gentlemen saw hoes on weekends but focused intensely on the business of the Empire during the weekdays.

I've blended the best of both worlds, the UK and the Yankee sides.

Hugolas_Madurez says

That stuff is illegal in New England exactly because of these values.

Try all of the USA minus a few desert communities in Nevada.

Rin says

divorce court and losing half of one's portfolio.

... and scaaaary monster under the bed. And another one in the closet.

Rin says

Hugolas_Madurez says

That stuff is illegal in New England exactly because of these values.

Try all of the USA minus a few desert communities in Nevada.

Yep, you can thank the "olde world New England values" for it. Because for many years the people with these values were ruling the US of A.

Rin says

divorce court and losing half of one's portfolio.

... and scaaaary monster under the bed. And another one in the closet.

That's correct because the percent of monsters under a bed are at ~50% nationwide, I forgot, Metallica wrote about it.

www.youtube.com/embed/CD-E-LDc384

I guess then Jeff Bezo's wife won't retire with more money than any other woman in the country.

Hugolas_Madurez says

Yep, you can thank the "olde world New England values" for it. Because for many years the people with these values were ruling the US of A.

Fortunately, the US lost the War of 1812 and thus, right next to Vermont, we have Montreal, the hoeing capital of first world North America. Problem solved!

Rin says

If you want to know, some 1/3 of the nation lives in the various metropolitan regions between Boston and DC. That's more ppl per square mile than anywhere else in the USA. So pleaz, stop the Californication. We deal with real weather on our side of the fence. And batteries don't do well in the winter time

I figure that if I'm driving an electric car in the winter, I'm just wearing my coat in the car and not using the heat, and dealing with it. My commute is not that long.

Rin says

We're very prudent about money and thus, seeing hoes definitely beats divorce court and losing half of one's portfolio.

Something worse than that can happen.

I've lost two friends who took their own life. I guess a consenting adult can take his own life if s/he chooses. But they both left schoolagers. How could they do this to their kids?

Things have changed. I am sure they could've divorced the b*itch, kept the kids are sued her ass for child support.

Booger says

I figure that if I'm driving an electric car in the winter, I'm just wearing my coat in the car and not using the heat, and dealing with it. My commute is not that long.

Ok, but then what's the point? I mean there will be days when you need to travel the miles for some unforeseen emergency and then, you'll be wearing an arctic rated sleeping bag to your destination and possibly face running out of juice somewhere in the journey. Sure, the bag will keep you warm while AAA tows you back home but isn't it more convenient just to have a tank full of gas?

I'd once rented a Porsche for that 0-60 mph experience at ~4 secs and while it was fun for a bit, it wore off during the day. Now, for that experience along with this variable battery thing in wintery climates for me, just isn't worth owning. It's not the same as banging a hottie up in Montreal. Those memories live forever ...

Whenever I hear Metallica "Enter the Sandman" I think of Tom Leykis down in LA who had specific rules for dealing with females; i.e. avoid entanglements and expensive outings.

clambo says

I think of Tom Leykis down in LA who had specific rules for dealing with females; i.e. avoid entanglements and expensive outings.

Agreed. FYI, the woman below was an actual French-Canadian lingerie model whom I'd done up north. That's why I have her eyes covered, as this is from one of her modelling shoots.

And let me tell you, she was great in every sense of the word which is why I'm glad that these temporary 'relationships', stay that way.

Quebec and New Brunswick were surprising to me; even in the smallest towns there were hot chicks here and there; I was up there in the summer only however. For all I know they hibernate someplace in the dreary winters.