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clambo says

he Model 3 that costs $35,000 is like a unicorn or bigfoot; it's supposed to exist but is almost never seen.

What is this? News from 2017? 2 weeks and it's yours if you want one. They are all over the place in SFBA.

Tenpoundbass says

Hugolas_Madurez says

The idea of paying a "deposit" for a car then patiently waiting is nutty.

The very wealthy get them quick though. Go figure.

Quote accurately. I didn't say what you say I said.

Tenpoundbass says

It's an elitism scam

Average-priced car is "elitist scam"? WTF? Is Camcord "elitist" now too? Is $50K Silverado "elitist"?

Goran_K says

I actually want a Tesla. WTF is wrong with me?

Nothing wrong if you want to drive one of the fastest and most fun cars on the planet.

WookieMan says

I would never buy any makers EV until I can get about 320-350 miles per charge (consistently, regardless or weather) and it only takes 5 min. to charge.

I believe about 99% of Americans drive less than 40 miles a day. Why deprive yourself from one of the most fun and fast cars on the planet because you have to do a road trip to grandma's house once a year? It is pretty easy and cheap to rent an ICE car if you are going to do a big road trip. The Tesla charging network is very robust and can get you over 150 miles in about 20 minutes - the time it takes to take a piss, stretch and buy a snack on the trip.

Hugolas_Madurez says

Average-priced car is "elitist scam"? WTF? Is Camcord "elitist" now too? Is $50K Silverado "elitist"?

Are there tax incintives with those other cars?
Have you ever met a middle class person driving a Tesla?

Everyone I see on the road, has an executive behind the wheel and have a gate barcode for a Million++ Dollar Condo on the back window.
These aren't schlub cars. While there are no shortage of middle class people driving cars that cost more than Teslas.
This isn't about affordability, it's about the exclusive club of Rich people driving cars subsidized by tax payers.


Burn it all down. Well never mind, the Tesla cars are doing it for us. Thanks Tesla Cars!

I don't get it; why are you folks so captivated by this EV/Tesla fandom?

I mean it's looking like some Trekkie or (pre-Kathleen Kennedy) Star Wars convention goers.

Seriously, my only interest in things like Lamborghini was when I was a kid and liked action movies with rocket launchers, etc, ala Buckaroo Banzai and as we know, the Lambo with Adrienne Barbeau's big tits popping out, was the central feature of 'Cannonball Run' which was the most watched DVD/VHS back in its cable TV heyday.

With the above stated, today I'm a grown up and prefer to be driven around by a chauffeur and enjoy life.

Tenpoundbass says

Have you ever met a middle class person driving a Tesla?

Every day. In fucking droves.

Hugolas_Madurez says

Tenpoundbass says

Have you ever met a middle class person driving a Tesla?

Every day. In fucking droves.

Droves? The droves I see around me in Boston are the same ICEs: Porsche, Lexus, BMW, Infinity, etc, etc

Rin says

Hugolas_Madurez says

Tenpoundbass says

Have you ever met a middle class person driving a Tesla?

Every day. In fucking droves.

Droves? The droves I see around me in Boston are the same ICEs: Porsche, Lexus, BMW, Infinity, etc, etc

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

always three or four rolling through the pickup line at kids school

Hugolas_Madurez says

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

You said it right there, SFBA, the land of flakes and dreamers. Realize, I'm an east coaster. My strip of land is between Boston and DC.

Hugolas_Madurez says

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

Same in SoCal.

Rin says

Hugolas_Madurez says

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

You said it right there, SFBA, the land of flakes and dreamers. Realize, I'm an east coaster. My strip of land is between Boston and DC.

So, what's the equivalent of beige Corolla from 20 years ago in Assachussets? Same beige Corolla but with floors rusted through?

Rin says

I don't get it; why are you folks so captivated by this EV/Tesla fandom?

I don't get the hate on Tesla and Musk.

Musk is one of the few Silicon Valley types who is not a total SJW moron and actually building a product people want.

One can argue that he is struggling to be one of the first new American mass producers of cars in several decades, but I don't think anyone can credibly complain about the quality and amazing technology of Tesla cars. Tesla has set the bar that all of the other established automakers like Audi, GM, Volkswagon, Hyundai are trying to catch up.

Even if Tesla goes out of business today, they have done a great service setting the bar so high.

socal2 says

I don't get the hate on Tesla and Musk.

I don't hate Musk personally or any of his companies. I just don't get the insane valuation of a stock whose stock valuation should be in line with other automakers.

zzyzzx says

I don't hate Musk personally or any of his companies. I just don't get the insane valuation of a stock whose stock valuation should be in line with other automakers.

That is certainly a fair complaint - and the stock has been correcting all year.

Again, I just look at the Teslas as a product.......and they are light years ahead of most of the competition.

Hugolas_Madurez says

You need to get out more then. In SFBA the Model3 is the fucking equivalent of beige Corolla of 20 years ago.

Well that could explain it as well. Perhaps Musk is bias to delivering to West Coast customers over East Coast customers.

socal2 says

they are light years ahead of most of the competition

In what ways?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

If he wasn't a narcissistic twit, he'd sell car thing to GM and take over the world bolting big batteries and increasingly efficient solar panels to houses.

Or just focus on SpaceX which has been a remarkable success eclipsing what the US, Russia and China has done recently.

Heraclitusstudent says

socal2 says

they are light years ahead of most of the competition

In what ways?

Acceleration
www.youtube.com/embed/8ye7Vh-_b50

Battery efficiency
Auto-driving
Safety
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/tesla-model-3-earns-perfect-5-star-nhtsa-safety-rating.html
Security
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7035515/Tesla-catches-vandals-scratch-key-inbuilt-switches-videos-them.html
Over-The-Air software updates

If they have problems being profitable now, with a small slowdown in car sales, they will not survive the next recession.

They need to build more snooty yuppie assholes as customers first.

Quick make a cheap cheap SUV....

Heraclitusstudent says

If they have problems being profitable now, with a small slowdown in car sales, they will not survive the next recession.

Many of the big traditional US automakers wouldn't have survived the last recession without a government bailout.

Tesla doesn't have the big union legacy costs as the other US automakers, so they have less of an excuse and need to get their costs in line pronto.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Space freight, yeah. It's a business.

Is there any other space business right now? SpaceX is doing a commercial launch about every 2 weeks at much lower costs than its international competitors.

That is nothing to sneeze at.

A private company (SpaceX) is beating NASA, Russia and China.......all who have decades of rocket experience and the massive financial backings of large nations.

Heraclitusstudent says

In what ways?

Largest battery factory in the world.

socal2 says

Acceleration

There is zero need to accelerate any faster at all than what has been possible for the last decades, unless you want to connect some ultra-smart and bug-proof AI that can use lightning fast acceleration in swerve maneuvers for accident prevention. Which isn't happening. It's probably causing more accidents as people try to impress by showing off. So acceleration is merely used for status-symbol signaling. They may need the battery business to success in a grand manner to survive. My bet is they will eventually get bought for less than their current valuation.

Hugolas_Madurez says

So, what's the equivalent of beige Corolla from 20 years ago in Assachussets? Same beige Corolla but with floors rusted through?

You can toss in the rusted Civics a/o Altimas. And if you want to play the regional name calling game, it's Masshole, not Assachusetts. And yes, I'm a proud Masshole, at least against NYC and Philadelphia. I know that Eagles fans have never forgiven us for the 2004 Super Bowl, regardless of last year's win.

If you want to know, some 1/3 of the nation lives in the various metropolitan regions between Boston and DC. That's more ppl per square mile than anywhere else in the USA. So pleaz, stop the Californication. We deal with real weather on our side of the fence. And batteries don't do well in the winter time.

socal2 says

Musk is one of the few Silicon Valley types who is not a total SJW moron and actually building a product people want.

There's nothing wrong with building a new product, whether it's truly original or some hybridization of earlier works. The problem is that this is becoming some sort of "cult of personality" product line for Cali types than something for the masses.

mell says

socal2 says

Acceleration

There is zero need to accelerate any faster at all than what has been possible the last decades, unless you want to connect it some ultra-smart and bug-proof AI that can use lightning fast acceleration in swerve maneuvers for accident prevention. Which isn't happening. It's probably causing more accidents as people try to impress by showing off. So acceleration is merely used for status-symbol signaling.

Yes, because real life is not 'The Fast and Furious'. The regular folks (as oppose to some punks) don't drag race on highways w/o getting their license revoked by State Troopers. I've seen numerous 'punks' pulled over over the years for playing Vin Diesel on our east coast highways.

mell says

There is zero need to accelerate any faster at all than what has been possible for the last decades,

Have you ever driven an EV? The acceleration is exquisite. I just have a Chevy Bolt which is not as quick as the baseline Teslas, and it is a total blast to drive every day. I don't even speed that much. I just get to the speed limit as quickly as possible in a very smooth and quiet fashion without being obnoxious with a loud ICE engine. Every time I get to accelerate off a stop light is a joy and never seems to get old.

The one pedal driving and regenerative engine braking is just the icing on the cake.

Driving my wife's ICE car just feels stupid to me now.

socal2 says

mell says

There is zero need to accelerate any faster at all than what has been possible for the last decades,

Have you ever driven an EV? The acceleration is exquisite. I just have a Chevy Bolt which is not as quick as the baseline Teslas, and it is a total blast to drive every day. I don't even speed that much. I just get to the speed limit as quickly as possible in a very smooth and quiet fashion without being obnoxious with a loud ICE engine. Every time I get to accelerate off a stop light is a joy and never seems to get old.

The one pedal driving and regenerative engine braking is just the icing on the cake.

Driving my wife's ICE car just feels stupid to me now.

Yeah, but then again I prefer manual transmission and do the engine breaking myself. Whether it's regenerative or not is not a feature specific to EVs only, ICEs/hybrids have it too. I like the Bolt and think that EVs will mix with ICEs but Teslas will be a minority or vanish if not bought out. With the tight speed limits in the US and CA in general I reach the speed limit too fast with the manual transmission. Hybrids seem most useful to me but I prefer ICEs although ultimately a ca is utilitarian and I'm not religious wrt to the type as long as it's reliable and easy to repair without too much software in it. Also Turbo-diesel tech is completely underrated.

Rin says

I don't get it; why are you folks so captivated by this EV/Tesla fandom?

.....With the above stated, today I'm a grown up and prefer to be driven around by a chauffeur and enjoy life.

You can't be serious asking such a question. You of all posters on this blog should "get it".

The Tesla is a Status Symbol. Like the Rented Babe Dining Companion. To Be Seen With.

They go Ape Sh*t for the the "performance". Like some performance you shared about an encounter.

What's not to understand?

socal2 says

Acceleration

It's taken 56 years to get here. Ten years before this race, the Ford had an engine designed in 1932 and the Chevy designed in 1929--both produced a little over 100 horsepower, including the brand new Corvette. Ten years later, this is what you could walk into any dealership and order:

www.youtube.com/embed/VDl2SnjUkkM

B.A.C.A.H. says

The Tesla is a Status Symbol.

Then those fanboys should just say so, it's for status, since many of them are not millionaires for real. Read my posting on that exact topic ...

http://patrick.net/post/1318339/2018-08-20-i-have-a-friend-who-drives-a-tesla-i-say-so-what

B.A.C.A.H. says

Like the Rented Babe Dining Companion. To Be Seen With.

And that's because I don't want to be seen as 'gay' at high end Boston restaurants where outside of those power business dinners, the other male couples are South Enders (see Boston's Gay Enclave). Realize, I've got the cash to eat at those places but I can't be seen there with non-business guys.


B.A.C.A.H. says

Like some performance you shared about an encounter.

As for the pony baloney, banging hoes in Montreal, gets the job done. And yes, that's called buying an experience, not an object to show off to others. The whole performance thing is retarded because last I'd checked, there were state troopers on the highway flagging the 'Fast and Furious' crowd.

Rin says

Hugolas_Madurez says

So, what's the equivalent of beige Corolla from 20 years ago in Assachussets? Same beige Corolla but with floors rusted through?

You can toss in the rusted Civics a/o Altimas.

Pathetic.

Yep, Rin.

You're being more honest about your likes.

Welcome to Silicon Valley.

B.A.C.A.H. says

You're being more honest about your likes.

Welcome to Silicon Valley.

Yes, it's strange, having olde world New England values when so many ppl are Californicating out there.

Rin says

Yes, it's strange, having olde world New England values

How exactly fucking prostitutes fits into "olde world New England values"? That stuff is illegal in New England exactly because of these values.

Hugolas_Madurez says

How exactly fucking prostitutes fits into "olde world New England values"?

We're very prudent about money and thus, seeing hoes definitely beats divorce court and losing half of one's portfolio.

And on the other side of the pond, during the height of the British Empire, a lot of gentlemen saw hoes on weekends but focused intensely on the business of the Empire during the weekdays.

I've blended the best of both worlds, the UK and the Yankee sides.