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Quigley says

it is a tacit admission that more white people and less colored people would make things better?

That's funny.
TwoScoopsPlissken says

Straight to Ray's Cysts!

Trump's comment was racist. It's not that he called Haiti a shithole. That is just a diplomatic failure of high order. The racist part is that he thinks we should keep out all individuals from those countries. What if he asked, 'Why should the federal government hire anybody from a shithole like Detroit or Harlem?' Would you find that racist?

anonymous says

Trump is also a born again racist at heart not to mention a bigot and a whole lot more.

Ahhhh, here we go again.

Sniper says

We need all the TDS sufferers here to raise their hands and tell us how many are taking their families for a weeks vacation to the shitholes of Haiti or Somalia?

"If DRUMPF!!! gets elected, I'm going to...

Canada
Spain
Ireland
Japan

... but never Guyana, Haiti, or the Central African Republic"

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Trump's comment was racist. It's not that he called Haiti a shithole. That is just a diplomatic failure of high order. The racist part is that he thinks we should keep out all individuals from those countries. What if he asked, 'Why should the federal government hire anybody from a shithole like Detroit or Harlem?' Would you find that racist?

So a place where raw sewage mixes with well water, there's endemic preventable disease, and the country is infamous for poverty, crime, violence, corruption, and death, we can't call it a shithole now?

Oy Vey.

"The Democratic Republic of the Congo isn't a Shithole. It simply has many challenges to face." There, I'm not a racist now.

anonymous says

"So a place where raw sewage mixes with well water, there's endemic preventable disease, and the country is infamous for poverty, crime, violence, corruption, and death, we can't call it a shithole now?"

We have more than enough of that in this country

Specially in Indiana.

anonymous says

We have more than enough of that in this country, any particular area of the lower 48 we should start with ?

None.

~400 cases of Typhoid in the US in a year. Not deaths, just cases.

And of those, most Salmonelli Typhi infections (79%) in a recent period (1999-2006) were transmitted to the patient during travel OUTSIDE the USA.
https://www.nichd.nih.gov/news/releases/typhoid_background https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/184464
Whereas in Pakistan there are hundreds of thousands of Typhoid Cases, and it's the 4th Leading Cause of Death.

Our one major new health crisis is Hepatitis, brought by undocumented immigrants who have not had their shots, spreading the disease by hand, esp. via food service and food packing.

I have family in Tijuana, and cross down every so often to visit. Noticed in the last few months that blacks(probably Haitians) are becoming a common site as street vendors. Now if Tijuana is better than Haiti...

DoofusRicky says

Brother Plissken I don't think anyone would leave our fine country to live in the Congo. My humble complaint is that enraging multiple countries for absolutely no purpose can never be a good thing. I may agree with you that there are too many illegal Haitians living in the country but they are still here. How will Donald Trump atone for an angry Haitian going on a killing spree because president Trump could not hold his tongue?

It depends on who. I'm not really worried about pissing off Haiti or the DR/Congo. I would like to piss off Pakistan.

But let's note some mitigating factors:

* The media is reporting "Shithole" as if it definitely happened; based on hearsay; the POTUS has denied he said that exact word.
* It was a private meeting between US Officials.
* Have you ever heard the LBJ and Nixon tapes?! "Damn Niggers" "Cock-suckah!!!"
* If any one is to blame, it's the Leaker and the Media who turned a comment in the White House behind closed doors and made it public.

The Media decides to get "Outraged" or "Put it in context" depending on who is doing the speaking. Example (at 1:30):www.youtube.com/embed/4VuXH0KJ74k
Jackie Kennedy gripes about MLK, calls him terrible. Of course Andrea Mitchell LOVES Jackie O. and has to "contextualize" it. If Jackie O was Trump she'd say "And here's another horrible thing he said, this time, about somebody no less than Martin Luther King Jr." (clutched pearl voice).

I hate it when these third world countries act so "Shit-Holier Than Thou".

Damn, that's some whataboutism right there.

Ceffer says

"Shit-Holier Than Thou"

Had to laugh at that.

Dems: "The Majority have treated the Minority horribly."

Also Dems: "White People are gonna be the Minority soon, hahahahahahaha!"

Yeah, no thanks, you can be a minority in my country rather than I be a minority in yours.

Ripped off from another forum:

1. Once, a friend of another volunteer wanted to earn some money by baking bread. He got a little bit of money together and used it to buy ingredients. He built a mud stove himself, and cooked 30 loaves of “village bread” - basically misshapen, doughy baguette. He took the bread to the road, and started to sell them, until his father came by. His father said, “You have bread! The family needs bread!” and took 20 loaves for himself and the rest of the kids (this particular father had 4 wives and 8 kids per wife). Our enterprising African friend was left bankrupt. He lost his entire initial investment and never made bread again.

This is the basic story of Africa: communalism gone insane. It is completely unthinkable to refuse a demand of an elder or a family member for money or food. People hid any small money they had, because if anyone knew they had it, there would be a line around the corner asking for loans and favors, and they would be honor-bound or whatever to say yes. I told my friends over and over to say no, and each time they politely explained to me that it was impossible. The whole system is built to pull people down to the lowest common denominator."

"2. Every day, I ate the same meal – a huge communal bowl of rice, with fish and some vegetables. Every day, the family I lived with spent a good amount of money (for them) to buy bitter tomatoes and okra to put in the rice, despite the fact that nobody liked bitter tomatoes or okra. I asked, why do you waste so much money on these vegetables that nobody eats? They told me, because we don’t want anyone to think we’re poor.

Africans are all about face and presentation, to the point of self-ruin. We’re talking about people for whom buying a couple vegetables has a huge impact on their bottom line, but they still do it. Saving money is basically impossible. I’m convinced that they have no conception of the future, aside from a vague idea that tomorrow will come. Cause and effect seemed to have no meaning. People who planned well, saved money and invested were not lauded or emulated, just dismissed as flukes or having received the blessing of Allah. Actually, Africans probably took to Islam like flies to s**t because in Islam, everything flows directly from God – it is a religion that gives people permission to believe that everything is out of their hands, which they believe anyway."

"3. A man asked me if I could give him 10 hectares of land and a diesel-electric water pump to irrigate it. This was not uncommon. The first thing people usually asked me when I told them I was an Agriculture Development person was for tractors, cars, livestock, anything. Completely shameless begging. Men in expensive silk clothes with nice black sedans would shamelessly beg for gimmiedats when they learned what I did. Anyway, I asked this particular guy what experience he had farming or gardening. He said none. I asked, then why do you want such a large scale enterprise? Why not get a small garden from the village chief and a used gas-pump to see how it goes? Maybe you’ll even earn enough money to upgrade in a year or two. He said, well, my cousin got 10 hectares and a diesel-electric pump from the government, so he was going to wait until he could get it too.

Gimmiedats are international. It’s disgusting. Every single cent of international aid is wasted on either bloodthirsty warlords, sniveling SWLP striver salaries, or gimmiedats for the underserving. In case you had any illusions, never give money to any international charity, ever. It breeds a mentality of helplessness and “mana from heaven”, not to mention an entire caste of African hustlers whose only job is to pitch their villages for various causes. The worst thing about this story? The man was completely right to not try a small scale enterprise. He’s African, they have infinite time. One day a government project will come to his village and give him his pump and his 10 hectares. He won’t do s**t with it, but he’ll proudly show off his pump and everyone in the village will respect him for his achievement of receiving some gimmiedats."

"4. During the festival of Eid al-Hada, a ram must be sacrificed because blah blah who cares. After killing and stringing the ram up into a tree for butchering, a gaggle of boys (they are always around in groups of 10-50, usually begging for presents and money because idiot white people always give it to them) rushed to the dying animal with a pair of scissors, snipped off its balls, and ran away with their prize. I asked the closest mother why, she said they’re going to grill it – the balls are a prized treat for the boys. I asked, do the girls eat it too? Of course not, she said. They would get pregnant with a goat.

Africans are dumb as shit. Basically, they never grow up. You are dealing with 200 pound children. If you go into interactions with that mindset, things go alright, but if you expect anything adult from them, you’ll be disappointed and frustrated at every turn. They believe in everything you can list – ghosts, angels, demons, curses, charms, blessings, and magic. Oh, and magic. They love it. I was party to a number of village magic battles, where charms and counter-charms were buried at people’s doorsteps, protective wards were made, and potions were snuck into tea. It’s a huge deal, and everyone pays big money (for them) to the local shamans and witch doctors to get all these magical trinkets. Yes, even in Islamic Africa, it’s just like this. African Islam is the same as South American Christianity – totally fked in the head. They are pagan savages first and moon-worshiping goatfuckers second. They just slap a varnish of Islam on it – the magic charm has a Koranic verse in it! – and go about their lives happily as before."

"5. A volunteer once fronted enough money for the farmer he lived with to buy fertilizer. They spread it together, and the yield was recorded. In total, it was 9 fold over the year prior. Instead of taking the money back for the loan, said volunteer forced the farmer to buy fertilizer for the next year, and save it. The next year came and they used it again, and again the yield was 10 fold over the first non-fertilizer year. This time, though, the volunteer had left the country. The farmer didn’t buy any fertilizer, and instead blew through the money he earned from his crop on frivolous crap and gifts to every extended family member who cast a shadow on his door. The next year his yields returned to the original level, and everyone went on with their lives as happy as before. The end.

This is my penultimate Africa story. There’s a bit more to it – the Peace Corps showed graphs and charts of this particular case as a successful intervention. I only found out about the little coda because I specifically asked what happened the next year; they didn’t decide to share that little fact in the larger meeting. It brings together everything - the waste, the stupidity, the lack of foresight, the inability to see cause and effect, the massive importance put on frivolous crap, and the way communities tear down their best members. Here’s the takeaway: nobody who wasn’t white on that farm saw the connection between the yields, the money they were making and the fertilizer. Nobody stopped to think hey, we should buy more of this.

That’s the insanity of Africa. 200 pound children, blowing huge stacks of cash on magic charms while they grind out a subsistence livelihood on the border of the desert. This is already super long, and I could really go on and on about this subject. There are more stories - the myths of the African family, more stories of faux-communalism, stories about crazy African religion and politics, and so on. The long and short of it, though, is this: they’re not terrible people, they just shouldn’t be anywhere near us. Africa is no s**t the Garden of Eden. It’s no mistake that the people living there are giant children. Despite tons of diseases and ferocious animals, they want for nothing. Trees growing fruit are everywhere. Every weed is edible. Before the Western-induced population bomb, I’m not even sure they even required agriculture to feed themselves. If we’re going to live a world where complete ethnic cleansing and colonization is off the table, just let them have their little paradise and leave us alone. They have absolutely nothing to offer us nor anything to gain by interaction with the west. They’re a people frozen in time from tens of thousands of years ago, and I have no trouble leaving them like that.

The democratic party needs a permanent underclass--RFK recognized that when he sponsored the Immigration Act of 1965 which changed immigration from Western Europe as it had been for the previous 40 plus years to Eastern Europe and Africa, crime ridden countries populated by the natural constituency of the democratic party--people with lots of problems and children who would be the least likely to assimilate and the most likely to need public assistance for ever more. After all, this was the era of the Great Society when the state could solve every problem of human existence.

Another Schmuck Trump broke. Hehehe!

I credit Trumps comment with today's stock market action:
Dow 30
25,777.80
+203.07(+0.79%)

P N Dr Lo R says

The democratic party needs a permanent underclass--RFK recognized that when he sponsored the Immigration Act of 1965 which changed immigration from Western Europe as it had been for the previous 40 plus years to Eastern Europe and Africa, crime ridden countries populated by the natural constituency of the democratic party--people with lots of problems and children who would be the least likely to assimilate and the most likely to need public assistance for ever more. After all, this was the era of the Great Society when the state could solve every problem of human existence.

Bureaucracies grow almost like some abstract form of life, sucking in money wherever they can get it and using it for self-preservation and growth.

I suppose this a form of Buffett's "institutional imperative":

Just as work expands to fill available time, corporate projects or acquisitions will materialize to soak up available funds

Except in this case they are government projects.

So it makes sense that policies destructive to the country will be continued and supported as long as they result in funding for bureaucracies. The solution might be to teach this all through the public school curriculum so that students are quite aware of what is going on -- but that would require that the educational establishment teach something that threatens much of its own bureaucracy, so it's not going to happen.

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump referred to Haiti and African nations as "shithole countries" during a meeting with a bipartisan group of senators at the White House, a Democratic aide briefed on Thursday's meeting told NBC News.

Trump's comments were first reported by The Washington Post, which said the nations referred to by Trump also included El Salvador.

Oh, the source is a Democrat Aide. And, if I read this right, they weren't even there, but were "briefed" on it.

Of course the WaPo "Democracy Dies In Our Deep State" first reported it.

And El Salvador has the highest Murder Rate in the world. Most of it is Gang Violence.


Did the Economist call El Salvador, "Hell Salvador"?! Apologize, Shitlords!

Did we get an explanation as to how multiple outlets were mislead last month by the same source as to the date on Don Jr.'s Wikileaks Email? Or did they succeed in sweeping it under the rug?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

And El Salvador has the highest Murder Rate in the world. Most of it is Gang Violence.

"But by the time Bautista arrived five years ago, MS-13 was on the rebound, fueled by fresh recruits from an unprecedented wave of almost 200,000 unaccompanied minors from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.

[MS-13 gains recruits and power in U.S. as teens surge across border]

Although only a fraction of them joined MS-13, the surge boosted the gang’s ranks and its reach in many communities, according to the FBI.

Prince George’s has absorbed at least 4,500 of these unaccompanied minors over the past four years, with many placed with Langley Park relatives.

The gang took advantage.

“When those kids flee [Central America], communication goes from there to here,” said Mark Edberg, a public health professor at George Washington University who has done research and outreach in Langley Park since 2005. “The gang says, ‘Okay, you’ve got a bunch of kids coming up — step up the pressure, step up the recruitment.’ ”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/people-here-live-in-fear-ms-13-menaces-a-community-seven-miles-from-the-white-house/2017/12/20/6cebf318-d956-11e7-b859-fb0995360725_story.html?utm_term=.dfd4657dc293

Apparently, US is a wrong destination to flee from MS13 - there are too many of these fucks here already.

Danny Centeno-Miranda was 16 when he fled El Salvador, coming alone to the United States to find a path away from the violent MS-13 street gang police said he had belonged to years earlier.

Caught at the U.S. border, federal authorities sent him to live with an uncle in a quiet Virginia suburb. He enrolled in high school, got a job at a Benihana restaurant and sent money home to his father to buy a cart to sell corn.

But Danny met gang members at school and was sucked back into tensions between MS-13 and a rival gang. On orders from gang leaders in El Salvador, detectives say, he was shot to death as he trudged to a school bus stop one September morning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ms-13-gains-recruits-and-power-in-us-as-teens-surge-across-border/2017/06/16/aacea62a-3989-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.938ec9f2021e

zzyzzx says:

Africans probably took to Islam like flies to s**t because in Islam, everything flows directly from God – it is a religion that gives people permission to believe that everything is out of their hands, which they believe anyway."

The same can be said a about Catholicism - "Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them."

The differences between general Protestant and Catholic interpretation may explain why the Protestant English settled areas of the Americas (USA and Canada) are better off economically than the Spanish/Portuguese Catholic settled areas (Mexico, Central and South America). Same goes for Australia and New Zealand.

At the beach in Haiti:

https://infostormer.com/trump-reportedly-calls-shithole-countries-shithole-countries/

On Haiti:

I seems that after $6 Billion in earthquake relief so far, Haiti would look a an isle of pristine villages

Anecdotal, but the few Haitian immigrants I have run across were hard workers. It seems that with billions of dollars worth of materials they would have significantly rebuilt that island.

But then again, Haiti is 85% Catholic, so maybe the same issue I mentioned with Latin America in post 79.

Trump said to those kids: Fuck you. You were born in a shit-hole. I don't care who you are. You are not welcome here.
Trump is not an individualist. Trump cares about pedigree.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Trump said to those kids: Fuck you. You were born in a shit-hole. I don't care who you are. You are not welcome here.
Trump is not an individualist. Trump cares about pedigree.

Trump is a realist:
www.youtube.com/embed/ZDceLiPLHWQ

Haiti has a pretty fucked up history. According to this, France first fucked 'em. Then, they came back and extorted them. Then, We invaded, took over, and subjugated the 'niggers' again. Oh, and we took all of their gold. We continued to fuck with them, organizing coups, continued to invade them twice in this century. And the UN brought them cholera.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/01/12/this-is-how-ignorant-you-have-to-be-to-call-haiti-a-shithole/?utm_term=.842cb59c430f

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Haiti has a pretty fucked up history. According to this, France first fucked 'em. Then, they came back and extorted them. Then, We invaded, took over, and subjugated the 'niggers' again. Oh, and we took all of their gold. We continued to fuck with them, organizing coups, continued to invade them twice in this century.

Then the Clinton Foundation finished them off by fucking them out of BILLIONS of hurricane relief!!

Billions of dollars were raised by the Clinton Foundation to help the Haitians, but the vast bulk of this money was funneled to Clinton friends and associates, according to Dr. Lorich, who described in harrowing detail what this meant for the children of Haiti.

Dr. Lorich argued that, in essence, Clinton greed left Haitian children to die painful deaths:

https://scout.com/college/ohio-state/Board/104375/Contents/Doctor-who-exposed-Clinton-Foundation-corruption-in-Haiti-Dead-112175898

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Haiti has a pretty fucked up history. According to this, France first fucked 'em. Then, they came back and extorted them. Then, We invaded, took over, and subjugated the 'niggers' again. Oh, and we took all of their gold. We continued to fuck with them, organizing coups, continued to invade them twice in this century. And the UN brought them cholera.

So is it or is it not a shithole? Remember, the argument is not about who's "guilty" of what, but the current state of that country.

www.youtube.com/embed/9fxX0Ya4Uf0FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Haiti has a pretty fucked up history. According to this, France first fucked 'em. Then, they came back and extorted them. Then, We invaded, took over, and subjugated the 'niggers' again. Oh, and we took all of their gold. We continued to fuck with them, organizing coups, continued to invade them twice in this century. And the UN brought them cholera.

anon_11dbd says

Then the Clinton Foundation finished them off by fucking them out of BILLIONS of hurricane relief!!

Billions of dollars were raised by the Clinton Foundation to help the Haitians, but the vast bulk of this money was funneled to Clinton friends and associates, according to Dr. Lorich, who described in harrowing detail what this meant for the children of Haiti.

Billions? The foundation raised about $30m for Haiti. Where on earth do you get this nonsense from?

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Remember, the argument is not about who's "guilty" of what, but the current state of that country.

the argument is not about whether Haiti is a shit hole. That is subjective and beside the point.