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Strategist
2018 Jun 17, 7:46pm
Strategist
2018 Jun 17, 7:46pm
curious2 says
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Strategist says:
Muslims have a right to practice their religion. If their religion commands them to kill infidels, they have to kill infidels. What else are they supposed to do?
Can you guys stop making a fuss over little things? It's very annoying.
"French police have thwarted two terror attacks, including one at a swingers' club, sources close to the investigations said Thursday. The prevented plots come weeks after a knifeman killed a man in Paris and as the country remains on high alert following a string of jihadist assaults since 2015 that have claimed more than 240 lives.
One suspect, a 38-year-old "radicalised convert" to Islam, was arrested in the Indre region in the center of the country.
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Hours earlier police sources said two other men had been charged on suspicion of planning an attack in the name of the Islamic State...which may have targeted gay people.
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Last month, Khamzat Azimov, a 20-year-old naturalised Frenchman of Chechen origin, killed one man and injured five others in the busy Opera district of the French capital on Saturday night before being shot dead by police. ISIS cl...
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Strategist says:
Muslims have a right to practice their religion. If their religion commands them to kill infidels, they have to kill infidels. What else are they supposed to do?
Can you guys stop making a fuss over little things? It's very annoying.
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curious2
2018 Aug 14, 8:32pm
curious2
2018 Aug 14, 8:32pm
"From Westminster to Nice: Vehicle rampage attacks in UK and Europe
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A driver has been arrested on suspicion of terror offences after a car collided with cyclists and pedestrians before crashing into security barriers outside the Houses of Parliament today.
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This kind of event has become worryingly common in Europe in recent years, with hundreds of people killed and injured in vehicle attacks since 2016."
Nearly all of the perpetrators have been Muslims killing infidels on behalf of Islam.
I waited for confirmation before adding today's attack. BBC confirmed indirectly, by reporting which houses the police investigators are raiding, and quoting the neighbors. France24 says only that the perpetrator is a "British man," just as the previous Islamic attack in Westminster was also perpetrated by a "British man."
[Update: Sudanese immigrant Salih Khater drove to London from Birmingham. Like most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim, Sudan is more than 90% Muslim. Birmingham has also recently become more than 20% Muslim. As the GTD database shows, increasing the percentage of Muslims increases the frequency of Islamic attacks.]
Islam was designed, fabricated, and optimized by the followers of the dead charlatan Mohammad to produce these effects. Long after the original fabricators died, their hateful fraud of Islam continues like zombies, killing people and consuming brains. Western liberals should oppose it, but instead identitarian (pseudo-)"liberals" insist on spreading it. The tragic consequences befall innocent people, this time cyclists in London, who had ironically probably supported migrants ("refugees"). I wonder if their views might change now, but I doubt it.
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A driver has been arrested on suspicion of terror offences after a car collided with cyclists and pedestrians before crashing into security barriers outside the Houses of Parliament today.
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This kind of event has become worryingly common in Europe in recent years, with hundreds of people killed and injured in vehicle attacks since 2016."
Nearly all of the perpetrators have been Muslims killing infidels on behalf of Islam.
I waited for confirmation before adding today's attack. BBC confirmed indirectly, by reporting which houses the police investigators are raiding, and quoting the neighbors. France24 says only that the perpetrator is a "British man," just as the previous Islamic attack in Westminster was also perpetrated by a "British man."
[Update: Sudanese immigrant Salih Khater drove to London from Birmingham. Like most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim, Sudan is more than 90% Muslim. Birmingham has also recently become more than 20% Muslim. As the GTD database shows, increasing the percentage of Muslims increases the frequency of Islamic attacks.]
Islam was designed, fabricated, and optimized by the followers of the dead charlatan Mohammad to produce these effects. Long after the original fabricators died, their hateful fraud of Islam continues like zombies, killing people and consuming brains. Western liberals should oppose it, but instead identitarian (pseudo-)"liberals" insist on spreading it. The tragic consequences befall innocent people, this time cyclists in London, who had ironically probably supported migrants ("refugees"). I wonder if their views might change now, but I doubt it.
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FortWayne
2018 Aug 14, 8:37pm
FortWayne
2018 Aug 14, 8:37pm
Those people come and bring their problems with them.
You can’t bring refugees from third world country on a massive scale and assume they’ll instantly assimilate.
Most continue living their life the way they did before.
You can’t bring refugees from third world country on a massive scale and assume they’ll instantly assimilate.
Most continue living their life the way they did before.
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curious2
2018 Aug 14, 8:51pm
curious2
2018 Aug 14, 8:51pm
FortWayne says
Especially if they consider their way morally superior, and western ways inferior.
You can successfully bring in Hmong or others who like the USA and want their children to do well in the west. You can't successfully bring in people whose religion commands them to hate the USA; the second generation ends up being even more dangerous than the first.
Most continue living their life the way they did before.
Especially if they consider their way morally superior, and western ways inferior.
You can successfully bring in Hmong or others who like the USA and want their children to do well in the west. You can't successfully bring in people whose religion commands them to hate the USA; the second generation ends up being even more dangerous than the first.
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Patrick
2018 Aug 20, 6:47pm
Patrick
2018 Aug 20, 6:47pm
curious2 says
There was an Egyptian Muslim a year or two ago who got in great trouble for documenting that ISIS is in fact perfectly Islamic, following the stated dictates of Islam with much greater fidelity than most other Muslims.
I wonder what happened to him.
“If you are not able to find an IED or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman or any of their allies. Smash his head with a rock or slaughter him with a knife or run him over with your car or throw him down from a high place or choke him or poison him,” Abu Mohammad al–Adni, an [ISIL/Daesh] spokesman said in 2014."
There was an Egyptian Muslim a year or two ago who got in great trouble for documenting that ISIS is in fact perfectly Islamic, following the stated dictates of Islam with much greater fidelity than most other Muslims.
I wonder what happened to him.
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curious2
2018 Aug 20, 6:53pm
curious2
2018 Aug 20, 6:53pm
Many Islamic scholars, including at prominent Islamic universities, have said ISIL/Daesh does what Islam says. Calling ISIL/Daesh "un-Islamic" was a uniquely western lie. People in Arab countries tended to call ISIL "Daesh", which means "bigot," just as Americans might call Pat Robertson a Christian bigot (which he is). Most religions produce some percentage of bigots at every generation, but bigots can behave differently depending on what the religion tells them to do. ISIL/Daesh showed what Islam tells Muslims to do.
"Cole Bunzel, a scholar of Islamic theology at Princeton University...points to the corpus of Islamic jurisprudence, which continues into the modern era and which he says includes detailed rules for the treatment of slaves.
“There is a great deal of scripture that sanctions slavery,” said Mr. Bunzel, the author of a research paper published by the Brookings Institution on the ideology of the Islamic State. “You can argue that it is no longer relevant and has fallen into abeyance. ISIS would argue that these institutions need to be revived, because that is what the Prophet and his companions did.”
Also this NPR interview describes ISIL/Daesh requiring contraception in order to implement Islamic law over Yazidi women:
"Professor Ali then pointed me to the hadiths. And this is the words and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad that talked about the importance of ascertaining paternity. That seemed to be just about the only right that a slave in this reading of scripture has, the right to know who the father of her child is.
And so in antiquity, according to these laws that are put out in these texts on Islamic jurisprudence, a fighter who - an owner who buys a new slave is supposed to wait basically one moon, so one month to determine whether she's pregnant or not, to see whether she has her period, right?...And in my early interviews, a lot of the women had told me that they were forced to take pills. [ISIL/Daesh] were aggressively pushing contraception. Some women were forced to take tablets, others were given the Depo-Provera injection. This is an injection that makes it so that you don't get pregnant for up to three months.
The interview goes on to note Muslim "refugees" committing lethal attacks in Europe.
"The two guys who blew themselves up at the Stade de France - they were the first suicide bombers to carry out their attacks. They came on a refugee boat. We don't know how the others came through. But given that at least four of them came in this manner, I think it's logical to assume that the others may have, as well.
And now in Germany, we're seeing - the Wuerzburg attacker was an immigrant, allegedly from Afghanistan, who was given refuge. And the Ansbach attacker was a Syrian refugee."
Not everyone who reads Islam obeys what it says, but some do. As long as people spread Islam, we will continue to see a succession of ISIL/Daesh/AlQaeda/whatever group doing what Islam says.
"Cole Bunzel, a scholar of Islamic theology at Princeton University...points to the corpus of Islamic jurisprudence, which continues into the modern era and which he says includes detailed rules for the treatment of slaves.
“There is a great deal of scripture that sanctions slavery,” said Mr. Bunzel, the author of a research paper published by the Brookings Institution on the ideology of the Islamic State. “You can argue that it is no longer relevant and has fallen into abeyance. ISIS would argue that these institutions need to be revived, because that is what the Prophet and his companions did.”
Also this NPR interview describes ISIL/Daesh requiring contraception in order to implement Islamic law over Yazidi women:
"Professor Ali then pointed me to the hadiths. And this is the words and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad that talked about the importance of ascertaining paternity. That seemed to be just about the only right that a slave in this reading of scripture has, the right to know who the father of her child is.
And so in antiquity, according to these laws that are put out in these texts on Islamic jurisprudence, a fighter who - an owner who buys a new slave is supposed to wait basically one moon, so one month to determine whether she's pregnant or not, to see whether she has her period, right?...And in my early interviews, a lot of the women had told me that they were forced to take pills. [ISIL/Daesh] were aggressively pushing contraception. Some women were forced to take tablets, others were given the Depo-Provera injection. This is an injection that makes it so that you don't get pregnant for up to three months.
The interview goes on to note Muslim "refugees" committing lethal attacks in Europe.
"The two guys who blew themselves up at the Stade de France - they were the first suicide bombers to carry out their attacks. They came on a refugee boat. We don't know how the others came through. But given that at least four of them came in this manner, I think it's logical to assume that the others may have, as well.
And now in Germany, we're seeing - the Wuerzburg attacker was an immigrant, allegedly from Afghanistan, who was given refuge. And the Ansbach attacker was a Syrian refugee."
Not everyone who reads Islam obeys what it says, but some do. As long as people spread Islam, we will continue to see a succession of ISIL/Daesh/AlQaeda/whatever group doing what Islam says.
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Rin
2018 Aug 20, 6:53pm
Rin
2018 Aug 20, 6:53pm
curious2 says
The original Mo' was a bozo. It was his successor, Abu Bakr, the First Caliphate, who'd launched the greatest invasion of the ancient world, obliterating common sense whether his armies went, and thus, giving birth to the middle ages.
Islam was designed, fabricated, and optimized by the followers of the dead charlatan Mohammad to produce these effects.
The original Mo' was a bozo. It was his successor, Abu Bakr, the First Caliphate, who'd launched the greatest invasion of the ancient world, obliterating common sense whether his armies went, and thus, giving birth to the middle ages.
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Strategist
2018 Aug 20, 7:09pm
Strategist
2018 Aug 20, 7:09pm
Patrick says
Most likely......he swims with the fishes.
There was an Egyptian Muslim a year or two ago who got in great trouble for documenting that ISIS is in fact perfectly Islamic, following the stated dictates of Islam with much greater fidelity than most other Muslims.
I wonder what happened to him.
Most likely......he swims with the fishes.
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Patrick
2018 Aug 20, 8:45pm
Patrick
2018 Aug 20, 8:45pm
Rin says
Somewhere in the Cartoon History of the Universe, the author points out that the amazing early expansion of Islam was not entirely by war, but also by offering the peasants a lower tax rate!
The Byzantine and Persian Empires were exploiting their peasants to such a degree that when the Turks and Arabs invaded and proclaimed their tax rates (1.5% of assets per year, plus some fixed sum, can't remember at the moment) the common people joined the invaders in overthrowing the existing regime.
Abu Bakr, the First Caliphate, who'd launched the greatest invasion of the ancient world
Somewhere in the Cartoon History of the Universe, the author points out that the amazing early expansion of Islam was not entirely by war, but also by offering the peasants a lower tax rate!
The Byzantine and Persian Empires were exploiting their peasants to such a degree that when the Turks and Arabs invaded and proclaimed their tax rates (1.5% of assets per year, plus some fixed sum, can't remember at the moment) the common people joined the invaders in overthrowing the existing regime.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 21, 12:58am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 21, 12:58am
Patrick says
They had just finished fighting a long and inconclusive war, the Ancient Equivalent of WW1. Both the Persians and Byzantines were exhausted, empty treasury, few men, famine, and of course superhigh taxes.
Another reason was Monophysitism, popular in the Levant, about the nature of the Christ being wholly and totally Divine and not at all human. Islam is more compatible with that than the dual nature of Catholic-Orthodoxy.
Had Mohammed came at a different time - even a decade before or after - Islam would be a footnote in history. "A Bandit named Mohammed raided as far as Cestiphon and Petra, but was defeated by the Kataphracts and beheaded in Antioch."
The Byzantine and Persian Empires were exploiting their peasants to such a degree that when the Turks and Arabs invaded and proclaimed their tax rates (1.5% of assets per year, plus some fixed sum, can't remember at the moment) the common people joined the invaders in overthrowing the existing regime.
They had just finished fighting a long and inconclusive war, the Ancient Equivalent of WW1. Both the Persians and Byzantines were exhausted, empty treasury, few men, famine, and of course superhigh taxes.
Another reason was Monophysitism, popular in the Levant, about the nature of the Christ being wholly and totally Divine and not at all human. Islam is more compatible with that than the dual nature of Catholic-Orthodoxy.
Had Mohammed came at a different time - even a decade before or after - Islam would be a footnote in history. "A Bandit named Mohammed raided as far as Cestiphon and Petra, but was defeated by the Kataphracts and beheaded in Antioch."
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curious2
2018 Nov 10, 2:39am
curious2
2018 Nov 10, 2:39am
"About 4.20pm, a [truck] mounted the footpath on Bourke Street, near the corner of Swanston Street, and erupted in flames. A man now identified as Hassan Khalif Shire Ali got out of the vehicle.
He attacks pedestrians, fatally stabbing Pellegrini's co-owner 74-year-old grandfather Sisto Malaspina.
It is believed he then attacked 58-year-old Rodney Patterson and a 24-year-old security guard.
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Shire Ali then produced a knife and lunged at the police officers.
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Shire Ali was then shot by police in the chest and fell to the ground.
He was taken to hospital under police guard in a critical condition and later died.
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He was originally from Somalia, and police said he arrived in Australia in the 1980s as a child."
"The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack via its Amaq News Agency."
Importing him was obviously a mistake. If he could not be deprogrammed to renounce Islam, then he should have been promptly deported to a Muslim country. Instead, he was imported and allowed to remain in Australia, so now innocent Australians are injured or dead. Spreading Islam by importing Muslims is corruption, not compassion. It is a cruel betrayal of the innocent citizens who end up getting injured or killed. If someone says a western country 'needs' to do something for Islam via importing Muslims, ask why not send the Muslims to a Muslim country, where they can live their Islamic way without murdering westerners.
He attacks pedestrians, fatally stabbing Pellegrini's co-owner 74-year-old grandfather Sisto Malaspina.
It is believed he then attacked 58-year-old Rodney Patterson and a 24-year-old security guard.
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Shire Ali then produced a knife and lunged at the police officers.
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Shire Ali was then shot by police in the chest and fell to the ground.
He was taken to hospital under police guard in a critical condition and later died.
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He was originally from Somalia, and police said he arrived in Australia in the 1980s as a child."
"The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack via its Amaq News Agency."
Importing him was obviously a mistake. If he could not be deprogrammed to renounce Islam, then he should have been promptly deported to a Muslim country. Instead, he was imported and allowed to remain in Australia, so now innocent Australians are injured or dead. Spreading Islam by importing Muslims is corruption, not compassion. It is a cruel betrayal of the innocent citizens who end up getting injured or killed. If someone says a western country 'needs' to do something for Islam via importing Muslims, ask why not send the Muslims to a Muslim country, where they can live their Islamic way without murdering westerners.
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Shaman
2018 Nov 10, 9:29am
Shaman
2018 Nov 10, 9:29am
No Muslim NEEDS to immigrate to the West. They only do it for purely selfish or ideological reasons. Poverty is no excuse.
Know which sort of middle easterners I don’t mind importing? The Christian ones. There’s one from Persia in a class my wife teaches. She’s struggling with low funds and her family over there is treated horribly by the Muslims, but she is trying to remain and get an education and a good job so she can help them out.
She met up with a Muslim Persian in class and awkwardness ensued as the Muslim just assumed her religion ... and was wrong.
Know which sort of middle easterners I don’t mind importing? The Christian ones. There’s one from Persia in a class my wife teaches. She’s struggling with low funds and her family over there is treated horribly by the Muslims, but she is trying to remain and get an education and a good job so she can help them out.
She met up with a Muslim Persian in class and awkwardness ensued as the Muslim just assumed her religion ... and was wrong.
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Patrick
2018 Nov 10, 10:02am
Patrick
2018 Nov 10, 10:02am
To claim that all religions are alike is just wrong.
Islam is extremely violent in its founder's personal example, its core beliefs, and its actions right down to the present moment, far beyond any other religion.
It would be nice to believe that all religions preach peace, but it just isn't true. Islam preaches resentment and war.
Islam is extremely violent in its founder's personal example, its core beliefs, and its actions right down to the present moment, far beyond any other religion.
It would be nice to believe that all religions preach peace, but it just isn't true. Islam preaches resentment and war.
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Bd6r
2018 Nov 10, 10:13am
Bd6r
2018 Nov 10, 10:13am
Quigley says
Bahais from Persia are also fine. They are oppressed by Muslims as well.
The Christian ones
Bahais from Persia are also fine. They are oppressed by Muslims as well.
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Patrick
2018 Nov 10, 10:44am
Patrick
2018 Nov 10, 10:44am
The Zoroastrians from Persia are also non-violent and also oppressed by Muslims. There are only about 100,000 left in Iran, and another 100,000 in Bombay.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 10, 3:55pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 10, 3:55pm
dr6B says
Ba'hai was illegal in Iraq until a few months ago, and most Muslims are mad about it being legalized.
Bahais from Persia are also fine. They are oppressed by Muslims as well.
Ba'hai was illegal in Iraq until a few months ago, and most Muslims are mad about it being legalized.
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curious2
2018 Nov 10, 6:10pm
curious2
2018 Nov 10, 6:10pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
"After decades of suppression, Baha'is celebrate publicly in Baghdad
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Baha’is officially announced themselves for the first time in 47 years, as the Baathist Revolutionary Command Council issued Decree No. 105 in 1970 to ban Baha’i activities. As a consequence, Baha’i administrative institutions in Iraq were dissolved and any activity where Baha’is declared their religious identity was punishable by imprisonment."
Persecution continues elsewhere across the Islamic world, as per Islam. The Koran does not recognize the Bahai religion, so adherents are considered unpersons in the Orwellian sense, i.e. to be deleted.
dr6B saysBahais from Persia are also fine. They are oppressed by Muslims as well.
Ba'hai was illegal in Iraq until a few months ago, and most Muslims are mad about it being legalized.
"After decades of suppression, Baha'is celebrate publicly in Baghdad
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Baha’is officially announced themselves for the first time in 47 years, as the Baathist Revolutionary Command Council issued Decree No. 105 in 1970 to ban Baha’i activities. As a consequence, Baha’i administrative institutions in Iraq were dissolved and any activity where Baha’is declared their religious identity was punishable by imprisonment."
Persecution continues elsewhere across the Islamic world, as per Islam. The Koran does not recognize the Bahai religion, so adherents are considered unpersons in the Orwellian sense, i.e. to be deleted.
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Strategist
2018 Nov 10, 8:39pm
Strategist
2018 Nov 10, 8:39pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I'm mad at Islam being legitimized and given special favors in the West. Hard to figure out who the bad guys are. The Muslims or the idiots who give them special rights?
dr6B saysBahais from Persia are also fine. They are oppressed by Muslims as well.
Ba'hai was illegal in Iraq until a few months ago, and most Muslims are mad about it being legalized.
I'm mad at Islam being legitimized and given special favors in the West. Hard to figure out who the bad guys are. The Muslims or the idiots who give them special rights?
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KgK one
2018 Nov 11, 6:52am
Someone needs to evaluate all the violence caused by religion. Though muslims are the only ones giving run to christianity, christianity is also very similar in nature.
Between killing 6 million Jews, exterminating 80 million native Americans, atomic bombing Japan s civilians, .... and enslaving whole world.... christianity has fair share of cruelty. Stoning, burning women... what muslims do was also prevelant in Christian world not long ago.
Once christianity becomes powerful ,they fight among themselves, ww1 ww2 , cold war with russia. Even compared to muslims, more ppl are killed by Christians. And many have nuclear war heads to be wary about them
We need to look at more peaceful philosophies to avoid getting killed .
Between killing 6 million Jews, exterminating 80 million native Americans, atomic bombing Japan s civilians, .... and enslaving whole world.... christianity has fair share of cruelty. Stoning, burning women... what muslims do was also prevelant in Christian world not long ago.
Once christianity becomes powerful ,they fight among themselves, ww1 ww2 , cold war with russia. Even compared to muslims, more ppl are killed by Christians. And many have nuclear war heads to be wary about them
We need to look at more peaceful philosophies to avoid getting killed .
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HeadSet
2018 Nov 11, 5:59pm
HeadSet
2018 Nov 11, 5:59pm
Someone needs to evaluate all the violence caused by religion.
The only religion killing in a Deity's name in any recent history is Islam. Pretty lame blaming wars on Christianity just because the nations involved were nominally Christian.
By the way, the 6 million Jews were killed by by NAZIs, an avowed Atheist group. Using your logic, we should sum up all the deaths caused by Atheists like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to say we need to evaluate all the violence caused by Atheism.
The only religion killing in a Deity's name in any recent history is Islam. Pretty lame blaming wars on Christianity just because the nations involved were nominally Christian.
By the way, the 6 million Jews were killed by by NAZIs, an avowed Atheist group. Using your logic, we should sum up all the deaths caused by Atheists like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to say we need to evaluate all the violence caused by Atheism.
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curious2
2018 Nov 11, 6:05pm
curious2
2018 Nov 11, 6:05pm
"As part of the ongoing investigation into the deadly terrorist attacks in the southern French towns of Carcassonne and Trèbes in March 2018, prosecutor’s indicted three people a source in the judiciary told Reuters."
How long will France maintain the resources and even the will to "investigate" these Islamic attacks? The investigation is inherently superficial, failing to see the forest for the trees: individual perpetrators do not matter, because they are constantly replenished by spreading Islam. Within one generation, France will be more than 20% Muslim, and most current police will retire, many to other countries. After that, you can predict with 95% certainty that France will cease to be a free country.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Great idea for a stained glass window. I'm surprised it hasn't been done, because it might really bring the young people back to the pews.
How long will France maintain the resources and even the will to "investigate" these Islamic attacks? The investigation is inherently superficial, failing to see the forest for the trees: individual perpetrators do not matter, because they are constantly replenished by spreading Islam. Within one generation, France will be more than 20% Muslim, and most current police will retire, many to other countries. After that, you can predict with 95% certainty that France will cease to be a free country.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
That should make an impression.
Great idea for a stained glass window. I'm surprised it hasn't been done, because it might really bring the young people back to the pews.
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HeadSet
2018 Nov 11, 6:06pm
HeadSet
2018 Nov 11, 6:06pm
We need to look at more peaceful philosophies to avoid getting killed .
There is no such thing as a "peaceful philosophy" that will prevent war. To avoid one, a nation needs to do two things:
1. Never attack any other nation
2. Be so strong militarily that no one will attack you.
This is how Switzerland and Sweden managed to stay out of war, even WWII.
There is no such thing as a "peaceful philosophy" that will prevent war. To avoid one, a nation needs to do two things:
1. Never attack any other nation
2. Be so strong militarily that no one will attack you.
This is how Switzerland and Sweden managed to stay out of war, even WWII.
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curious2
2018 Nov 11, 6:14pm
curious2
2018 Nov 11, 6:14pm
KgK one says
If you take the time to read the New Testament and the Koran, you will see they are very dissimilar. The New Testament says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, do not kill, etc. The Koran says to "strike terror into...the enemies of Allah" and "kill the disbelievers wherever you find them." No one who has read both could call them similar.
If you want to say that bad people have done bad things, sometimes in the name of religion, you can try, but the examples that you cited fail because they had nothing to do with religion. For example, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, and the USA declared war on Japan, for reasons having nothing to do with Christianity. You might want to read Churchill on Islam. In WWII, Christian countries proved stronger precisely because they were more liberal than the Nazi/Muslim axis. For example, the Nazis and Muslims (100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS due to the similarity of their doctrines) would have killed Albert Einstein and Alan Turing, who helped win the war for the Allies.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/
christianity is also very similar in nature.
If you take the time to read the New Testament and the Koran, you will see they are very dissimilar. The New Testament says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, do not kill, etc. The Koran says to "strike terror into...the enemies of Allah" and "kill the disbelievers wherever you find them." No one who has read both could call them similar.
If you want to say that bad people have done bad things, sometimes in the name of religion, you can try, but the examples that you cited fail because they had nothing to do with religion. For example, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, and the USA declared war on Japan, for reasons having nothing to do with Christianity. You might want to read Churchill on Islam. In WWII, Christian countries proved stronger precisely because they were more liberal than the Nazi/Muslim axis. For example, the Nazis and Muslims (100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS due to the similarity of their doctrines) would have killed Albert Einstein and Alan Turing, who helped win the war for the Allies.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/
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Patrick
2018 Nov 12, 8:27am
Patrick
2018 Nov 12, 8:27am
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Regressive as the Iranian regime is, it is still light-years ahead of Saudi Arabia in terms of human rights.
Why do we even have diplomatic relations with the Saudis if we think the Iranians are bad?
Ba'hai was illegal in Iraq until a few months ago, and most Muslims are mad about it being legalized.
Regressive as the Iranian regime is, it is still light-years ahead of Saudi Arabia in terms of human rights.
Why do we even have diplomatic relations with the Saudis if we think the Iranians are bad?
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Bd6r
2018 Nov 12, 9:28am
Bd6r
2018 Nov 12, 9:28am
Patrick says
I think it is clear to all of us - Saudis buy off politicians while Iranians are stingy and do not contribute.
Why do we even have diplomatic relations with the Saudis if we think the Iranians are bad?
I think it is clear to all of us - Saudis buy off politicians while Iranians are stingy and do not contribute.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 12, 10:38am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 12, 10:38am
Patrick says
The Iranians are pretty bad. They did kill thousands of people, including children, in 1988 under the guise of an amnesty of political dissidents.
I don't think the gap is so wide between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Both execute gays, dissidents, etc. Iran the Government funds more terror groups officially, whereas factions within Saudi Arabia fund Wahabi groups (sometimes with the King looking the other way on purpose).
Let them fight each other and profit!
Why do we even have diplomatic relations with the Saudis if we think the Iranians are bad?
The Iranians are pretty bad. They did kill thousands of people, including children, in 1988 under the guise of an amnesty of political dissidents.
I don't think the gap is so wide between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Both execute gays, dissidents, etc. Iran the Government funds more terror groups officially, whereas factions within Saudi Arabia fund Wahabi groups (sometimes with the King looking the other way on purpose).
Let them fight each other and profit!
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curious2
2018 Nov 12, 1:27pm
curious2
2018 Nov 12, 1:27pm
dr6B says
Saudis are on the Petrodollar bandwagon. American sanctions against Iran started with the hostage crisis during the Carter administration, and Khomeini had been calling America the Great Satan (hey, we're GREAT), so Iran didn't go on the Petrodollar bandwagon.
Saudis buy off politicians while Iranians are stingy and do not contribute.
Saudis are on the Petrodollar bandwagon. American sanctions against Iran started with the hostage crisis during the Carter administration, and Khomeini had been calling America the Great Satan (hey, we're GREAT), so Iran didn't go on the Petrodollar bandwagon.
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curious2
2018 Nov 15, 1:21am
curious2
2018 Nov 15, 1:21am
"Hassan Khalif Shire Ali, the terrorist who drove a burning ute into the heart of Melbourne’s Bourke Street yesterday and stabbed three people, killing one, had links to Islamic extremists, was a person of interest to Victoria Police and was known to federal intelligence agencies."
"Islamic centre connected to terror plots plans expansion
An Islamic centre in Melbourne's north that has been linked to the Bourke Street attacker and Christmas Day terror plot is seeking council approval to accommodate up to 500 people at once as its community grows.
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Sheikh Mohammed Omran, disputed the centre was linked to four terrorists connected to the 2016 terror plot, despite the group's ringleader telling police he had attended the centre every second day for five years."
Taqiya.
As noted above, Ali was from Somalia. Like most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim, Somalia is more than 90% Muslim, specifically Sunni. In the capital Mogadishu, yet another Islamic attack killed at least 20 last week.
"Islamic centre connected to terror plots plans expansion
An Islamic centre in Melbourne's north that has been linked to the Bourke Street attacker and Christmas Day terror plot is seeking council approval to accommodate up to 500 people at once as its community grows.
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Sheikh Mohammed Omran, disputed the centre was linked to four terrorists connected to the 2016 terror plot, despite the group's ringleader telling police he had attended the centre every second day for five years."
Taqiya.
As noted above, Ali was from Somalia. Like most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim, Somalia is more than 90% Muslim, specifically Sunni. In the capital Mogadishu, yet another Islamic attack killed at least 20 last week.
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curious2
2018 Nov 20, 3:40am
curious2
2018 Nov 20, 3:40am
"A police officer was stabbed in the neck in the centre of Brussels on Tuesday morning by a man who was reported as having shouted “Allahu Akbar” before launching his attack.
The knifeman was shot and wounded by other officers outside a police station close to Brussels’ world famous Grand Place, a Unesco world heritage site, at 5.30am local time.
The wounded officer was rushed to hospital. Police spokeswoman Illse Van De Keere said, “The officer is injured but his life is not in danger.”
The attacker is also expected to survive his injuries. Belgian media reported the man was known to police but not for terror offences."
This report illustrates another familiar pattern. Yet another Muslim living in the infidel west, resenting the infidels who have more than he does, turns to a life of small crimes, while likely collecting public assistance (jizya) from the Belgian Christians. In France, 70% of prisoners are Muslim, compared to 10% of the general population. In Britain, Muslims are three times more likely to be in prison than non-Muslims are. The terrible cost of Islam includes all of these: crimes and victimization, policing, surveillance, incarceration, etc. The people of Belgium will pay to treat the wounds of the police officer and the Muslim who tried to kill him, and pay for the trial including representation for the defendant and the state, and pay for incarceration, and when the Muslim is released eventually, the people of Belgium will pay for his next round of crimes and possible terror offenses.
The knifeman was shot and wounded by other officers outside a police station close to Brussels’ world famous Grand Place, a Unesco world heritage site, at 5.30am local time.
The wounded officer was rushed to hospital. Police spokeswoman Illse Van De Keere said, “The officer is injured but his life is not in danger.”
The attacker is also expected to survive his injuries. Belgian media reported the man was known to police but not for terror offences."
This report illustrates another familiar pattern. Yet another Muslim living in the infidel west, resenting the infidels who have more than he does, turns to a life of small crimes, while likely collecting public assistance (jizya) from the Belgian Christians. In France, 70% of prisoners are Muslim, compared to 10% of the general population. In Britain, Muslims are three times more likely to be in prison than non-Muslims are. The terrible cost of Islam includes all of these: crimes and victimization, policing, surveillance, incarceration, etc. The people of Belgium will pay to treat the wounds of the police officer and the Muslim who tried to kill him, and pay for the trial including representation for the defendant and the state, and pay for incarceration, and when the Muslim is released eventually, the people of Belgium will pay for his next round of crimes and possible terror offenses.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 20, 7:58am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 20, 7:58am
Why was he stabbed in the neck? Because the Quran says to stab Unbelievers in the Neck:
Quran 47:4
https://quran.com/47/4
Quran 47:4
https://quran.com/47/4
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Onvacation
2018 Nov 20, 8:29am
Onvacation
2018 Nov 20, 8:29am
KgK one says
So Hitler was a Christian? Is this what public school is now teaching?
Between killing 6 million Jews, exterminating 80 million native Americans, atomic bombing Japan s civilians, .... and enslaving whole world.... christianity has fair share of cruelty.
So Hitler was a Christian? Is this what public school is now teaching?
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Strategist
2018 Nov 20, 10:16am
Strategist
2018 Nov 20, 10:16am
Wonderful news folks. I did not find it in CNN. They must have missed the news.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46273612
A suicide bomb attack on a gathering of religious scholars in the Afghan capital, Kabul, has killed at least 43 people, officials say.
At least 83 people were also wounded as the clerics met at the Uranus wedding hall, a large banqueting complex near the airport, to mark the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46273612
A suicide bomb attack on a gathering of religious scholars in the Afghan capital, Kabul, has killed at least 43 people, officials say.
At least 83 people were also wounded as the clerics met at the Uranus wedding hall, a large banqueting complex near the airport, to mark the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad.
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curious2
2018 Nov 20, 3:17pm
curious2
2018 Nov 20, 3:17pm
Onvacation says
He was a confirmed Catholic (although some said he was reluctant and didn't otherwise attend mass). He believed that god had spared him from the attempted assassination bomb that killed four and demolished the whole room that he was in when the bomb exploded on July 20, 1944. He lamented, however, that Germany had been afflicted with Christianity, which he considered insufficiently violent for his purposes, and he preferred Islam as a doctrine of violent conquest:
"Hitler would say: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the [Shinto] religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?""
Both Catholicism and Islam claim to speak for the same supposedly omnipotent (but perennially inchoate) god of Abraham. So, in praising Islam, he wasn't straying very far from his Catholic roots. The current Pope is also determined to spread Islam into Europe; I suspect one reason is Petrodollars finding their way into Vatican corruption, and another is that Muslims tend to vote more in line with the Vatican than Catholics do. Sinéad O'Connor, before she went completely bonkers and converted to Islam, used to say the problem with the Vatican was that it was run by atheists who had corrupted "our" Catholic faith. Some PatNet users appear also to consider themselves more Catholic than the Pope. That's what it comes down to: who is a "true" Christian, in the sense of a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
Hitler was a Christian? Is this what public school is now teaching?
He was a confirmed Catholic (although some said he was reluctant and didn't otherwise attend mass). He believed that god had spared him from the attempted assassination bomb that killed four and demolished the whole room that he was in when the bomb exploded on July 20, 1944. He lamented, however, that Germany had been afflicted with Christianity, which he considered insufficiently violent for his purposes, and he preferred Islam as a doctrine of violent conquest:
"Hitler would say: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the [Shinto] religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?""
Both Catholicism and Islam claim to speak for the same supposedly omnipotent (but perennially inchoate) god of Abraham. So, in praising Islam, he wasn't straying very far from his Catholic roots. The current Pope is also determined to spread Islam into Europe; I suspect one reason is Petrodollars finding their way into Vatican corruption, and another is that Muslims tend to vote more in line with the Vatican than Catholics do. Sinéad O'Connor, before she went completely bonkers and converted to Islam, used to say the problem with the Vatican was that it was run by atheists who had corrupted "our" Catholic faith. Some PatNet users appear also to consider themselves more Catholic than the Pope. That's what it comes down to: who is a "true" Christian, in the sense of a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
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curious2
2018 Dec 5, 4:34am
curious2
2018 Dec 5, 4:34am
This case involves an attempt thwarted by undercover agents and successfully prosecuted:
"A soldier based in Hawaii was sentenced Tuesday to 25 years in prison for trying to help the Islamic State group.
Sgt. 1st Class Ikaika Kang, 35, pleaded guilty in August to four counts of attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. He provided classified military documents, a drone and other help, he said.
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At one of the meetings with agents Kang believed were part of the Islamic State, he swore loyalty to the group in Arabic and English and kissed an Islamic State flag given to him by a purported Islamic State sheikh, prosecutors said.
He then said he wanted to get his rifle and fight — "just go to downtown Honolulu and Waikiki strip and start shooting," prosecutors said in a news release in August."
"A soldier based in Hawaii was sentenced Tuesday to 25 years in prison for trying to help the Islamic State group.
Sgt. 1st Class Ikaika Kang, 35, pleaded guilty in August to four counts of attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. He provided classified military documents, a drone and other help, he said.
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At one of the meetings with agents Kang believed were part of the Islamic State, he swore loyalty to the group in Arabic and English and kissed an Islamic State flag given to him by a purported Islamic State sheikh, prosecutors said.
He then said he wanted to get his rifle and fight — "just go to downtown Honolulu and Waikiki strip and start shooting," prosecutors said in a news release in August."
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curious2
2018 Dec 13, 2:44am
curious2
2018 Dec 13, 2:44am
PatNet has a thread on the recent Islamic attack on the Strasbourg Christmas market, but now that the attack is confirmed definitely Islamic I will add it to this thread too.
"A massive manhunt involving hundreds of police and soldiers has been launched for a suspected extremist who yelled "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) during a shooting spree around one of Europe's most famous Christmas markets.
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Strasbourg's Mayor said the shooting was "indisputably" a terrorist attack
The suspect has been previously convicted 27 times
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The assault in the eastern French city of Strasbourg killed two, left one person brain dead and injured 12 others, authorities said.
Police union officials identified the suspected assailant as Cherif Chekatt, a 29-year-old with an extensive police record for crimes including armed robbery and monitored as a suspected religious radical by the French intelligence services."
The British foreign office warns, “Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in France. Due to ongoing threats to France by Islamist terrorist groups, and recent French military intervention against Daesh (formerly referred to as ISIL), the French government has warned the public to be especially vigilant and has reinforced its security measures."
The Strasbourg Christmas market had been an Islamic target before:
"In December 2000, a plot by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat to bomb the Strasbourg Christmas market, at the feet of the Strasbourg Cathedral on New Year's Eve was discovered. The plot was foiled by French and German police after a terrorist network based in Frankfurt, Germany, the "Frankfurt group", was unravelled. A total of fourteen people were convicted as part of the plot; four in Germany and ten in France, including the operational leader, Mohammed Bensakhria (a.k.a. "Meliani"), thought to be a European deputy to Osama bin Laden."
Islam is a relentless enemy. Even if you foil a particular plot, more will follow. As long as Islam continues to grow, more Muslims will arrive to destroy the target, and eventually western civilization. It took more than 8 years for Muslims to destroy the World Trade Center in New York, from the 1993 bombing to September 11, 2001, but they did it.
"A massive manhunt involving hundreds of police and soldiers has been launched for a suspected extremist who yelled "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) during a shooting spree around one of Europe's most famous Christmas markets.
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Strasbourg's Mayor said the shooting was "indisputably" a terrorist attack
The suspect has been previously convicted 27 times
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The assault in the eastern French city of Strasbourg killed two, left one person brain dead and injured 12 others, authorities said.
Police union officials identified the suspected assailant as Cherif Chekatt, a 29-year-old with an extensive police record for crimes including armed robbery and monitored as a suspected religious radical by the French intelligence services."
The British foreign office warns, “Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in France. Due to ongoing threats to France by Islamist terrorist groups, and recent French military intervention against Daesh (formerly referred to as ISIL), the French government has warned the public to be especially vigilant and has reinforced its security measures."
The Strasbourg Christmas market had been an Islamic target before:
"In December 2000, a plot by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat to bomb the Strasbourg Christmas market, at the feet of the Strasbourg Cathedral on New Year's Eve was discovered. The plot was foiled by French and German police after a terrorist network based in Frankfurt, Germany, the "Frankfurt group", was unravelled. A total of fourteen people were convicted as part of the plot; four in Germany and ten in France, including the operational leader, Mohammed Bensakhria (a.k.a. "Meliani"), thought to be a European deputy to Osama bin Laden."
Islam is a relentless enemy. Even if you foil a particular plot, more will follow. As long as Islam continues to grow, more Muslims will arrive to destroy the target, and eventually western civilization. It took more than 8 years for Muslims to destroy the World Trade Center in New York, from the 1993 bombing to September 11, 2001, but they did it.
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Police sources said the suspect had shouted “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest) in Arabic as he attacked the women, aged 17 and 20, at Marseille’s main railway station.
Two police sources said one had her throat slit while the other was stabbed in the chest and stomach.
The assailant was shot dead by a soldier from a military Sentinelle patrol, a force deployed across the country as part of a state of emergency declared after Islamist attacks that began almost two years ago."
"Canadian police say a man driving a white car struck a police officer and stabbed him multiple times outside a football stadium Saturday.
Hours later, police say, the same man — this time driving a U-Haul truck — was pulled over a few miles away, drove off and struck four pedestrians.
The related attacks on Saturday night in Edmonton, the capital of Alberta, Canada, are being investigated as an act of terrorism, Edmonton Police Chief Rod Knecht said during a news conference early Sunday. He said an Islamic State flag was found in the passenger seat of the white Chevrolet Malibu the suspect was driving that night."
These attacks do not surprise anyone who has read what Islam says and does around the world. Partisans prefer to repeat slogans that enable them to feel good about themselves and their tribe, rather than thinking through the consequences of the policies they advocate. Spreading Islam means, inherently, spreading terrorism, military policing, mass surveillance, and eventually totalitarian Sharia rule.
You can say that Islam is not alone in doing bad things, and that America has also done bad things. That ignores the obvious. America has also done great things, from the Wright Brothers to the moon landing to the polio vaccine and the Internet. American policy has tended to get corrupted (especially since Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA), but America allows people to say what they think: for example, one of today's SNL "weekend update" pair called the President names I won't repeat here, on a show the President had hosted twice. Islam produces nothing but backwardness. Islam is a complete system (totalitarianism) that commands the violent overthrow of our government and any other that stands for liberty. Islam commands capital punishment for anyone who criticizes it or refuses to submit. Any tool or institution can be misused, but Islam was designed, fabricated, and optimized for the purpose of conquering and subjugating as many people as possible. Islam means literally "submission," and commands believers to use deception ("allah is the best deceiver") and violence ("strike terror into...the enemies of allah...kill the disbelievers wherever you find them") to force everyone ultimately to submit to Sharia.
When you see someone advocating Islam, or spreading it, please know what they are advocating.