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Originally from http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!

What most Muslims will say:

Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

Arabic translation الترجمة العربية

See http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for more.

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1097   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 18, 8:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Prostitution is demeaning to everybody involved.

Also, I'd say that this is an attitude straight from Christian beliefs. Why is exchange of money for mutually agreed service demeaning in any way?
1098   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 18, 9:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
jazz_music says
Prostitution is demeaning to everybody involved.

Also, I'd say that this is an attitude straight from Christian beliefs. Why is exchange of money for mutually agreed service demeaning in any way?


This has been my point, all along. The thing which Oliver Cromwell's fanboys, a.k.a Puritans, brought to the United States was this notion.

When Cromwell's dictatorship ended, the theatres reopened in England and ppl were free of Cromwell's "Divine Providence", once again. Fast forward a few centuries and today, seeing hoes is legal in Britain but illegal in the USA, the so-called home of the free.

Here's the Puritanism ...



1099   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 18, 9:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
+escort services, +sugardaddies, and other things that are prostitution in everything but name.


Not exactly, the above are 'enforced' relationships.

In other words, the idea is that one has to form a 'relationship' before boinking and thus, it's the most legal form of hypocrisy out there.

The only legal prostitution is porn, because the mere presence of the camera around incites First Amendment protection of free speech. If the studio forgets to 'roll the film', then the cops can bust up the place. So if you want to film your own movie, don't forget to getting some working equipment, pun intended.
1100   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 18, 9:47am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
The only legal prostitution is porn, because the mere presence of the camera around incites First Amendment protection of free speech. If the studio forgets to 'roll the film', then the cops can bust up the place. So if you want to film your own movie, don't forget to getting some working equipment, pun intended.

Then, I'd guess, the way around illegality of prostitution would be to have customer of whorehouse bring his own camera and film the encounter, thus making it perfectly legal.
1101   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 18, 9:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
Rin says
The only legal prostitution is porn, because the mere presence of the camera around incites First Amendment protection of free speech. If the studio forgets to 'roll the film', then the cops can bust up the place. So if you want to film your own movie, don't forget to getting some working equipment, pun intended.

Then, I'd guess, the way around illegality of prostitution would be to have customer of whorehouse bring his own camera and film the encounter, thus making it perfectly legal.


I would suspect then it would probably have to be auto-saved, put on a server for a bit of time for purchase/download, and then strategically deleted periodically. Remember, the courts need to show that it was for the sake for boinking and not for movie making for a conviction.

As for escorting, the way it works is that if I wanted to go to the Indian casinos in Connecticut, I'd have to meet the escort at the tables, play a few hands of blackjack, before going back to the room for a romp because my intent was to play cards, and the boinking followed, as a result of the relationship forged at the tables. In Montreal, I have the choice of doing whatever I want and yes, I'd even taken an escort to the casino there, but after the boink.

So for CT, if the escort was undercover vice, the moment she arrives and we go to the tables, the gig is up. She'll have to leave and go home because the 'eyes in the sky' is evidence of a relationship at the tables.
1102   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 18, 10:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
So for CT, if the escort was undercover vice, the moment she arrives and we go to the tables, the gig is up. She'll have to leave and go home because the 'eyes in the sky' is evidence of a relationship at the tables.


"Your honor, we have CCTV footage of Rin & Misty, playing blackjack for four rounds, prior to going up to the hotel room.

As you can see from the footage, he'd bought her two Manhattans and she was pretending to count cards (as if she has any talent for that), to give assistance per round. If anything, this is a relationship and thus, undercover Misty is guilty of entrapment because it's perfectly fine for a guy to take his new acquaintance to his hotel room."

Trust me, only an idiot DA would even attempt to prosecute the above.
1105   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 18, 9:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
Under Pakistani law, blasphemy against Islam is punishable by death.


This is remarkably similar to conditions in the West, where any questioning of the ruling ideology is punishable by being expelled, fired, or even jailed (in the UK).

In both cases, the draconian punishments reflect a deep fear that the ruling ideology is in fact so weak that it cannot withstand open criticism or even debate.
1108   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 19, 2:52pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
Pakistan troops slit BSF jawan's throat along International Border.


Pakistan is a terrorist state, as per Islam, enabled by US support.
1110   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 24, 4:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Special Appeal:
esp.

@curious2

I know there was an SAT Score listing by Religion, that Unitarians came in first with average scores. Muslims scored at or near the bottom.

I think it was on religious tolerance but the original seems to be gone. Only second hand references to chart with the top 3-4 religions (Quaker, UU, Jew, Hindu). The rest are gone.

I used to be able to find it in seconds but it seems to be very hard to find. This would be been around 2010.

If anybody can help locate the SAT survey by religious affiliation, I'd be obliged.
1112   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 24, 4:34pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
If anybody can help locate the SAT survey by religious affiliation, I'd be obliged.


http://www.arthurhu.com/99/12/cminor.txt

Table is towards the end of the text.

Data are from 1990.

Also this: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/02/pentecostals-are-stupid-unitarians-are-smart/
1113   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 5:22pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Islam correlates with below average IQ and literacy, and I think Islam causes that result for several reasons.

dr6B says
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/02/pentecostals-are-stupid-unitarians-are-smart/


That shows Islam with the lowest SAT scores of any religion as of 1990.

This site addresses both IQ and literacy, and cites UN data from 2011:

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/800-million-muslims-out-of-1-4-billion-are-illiterate-dr-farrukh-salem/comment-page-1/

This site goes further, though I cannot assess the credibility of the cited sources:
https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-2018704731/the-comparison-of-mean-iq-in-muslim-and-non-muslim

Reasons why Islam causes lower IQ and literacy include:
1) killing or driving away atheists at every generation (atheists tend to have the highest IQ);
2) Islam does not emphasize learning about anything other than Islam, and prohibits teaching anything un-Islamic (e.g. if it contradicts or even questions Islam). PatNet has a thread noting that when Birmingham, England, reached 20% Muslims, state schools began discriminating against non-Muslims and stopped teaching anything un-Islamic. That limits education.
3) Madrassahs tend to teach only the Koran, so relentlessly that people can recite it; if the only thing that you believe worth reading can be recited to you, then literacy loses much of its importance.
4) Because apostasy and blasphemy are both capital offenses in Islam, parents in Muslim countries discourage their children from the earliest age from learning anything that might potentially cause apostasy or blasphemy. Discouraging learning is precisely the opposite of the highest IQ societies, which emphasize and encourage learning.
There is also a self-reinforcing cycle of IQ and literacy, a sort of network effect. A mostly literate society creates demand for many services that require literacy, e.g. online. A mostly illiterate society does not create the same demand, and so does not develop the same effects.
1114   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 6:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I suspect a major reason may also be the extreme levels of inbreeding. In Saudi Arabia, for example, first cousin marriages are the norm, not the exception.

1115   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:21pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
inbreeding


could theoretically drive IQ in either direction, though in practice (aggressive polygamous guys getting married to multiple females chosen for their appearance) down is much more likely than up. Combining inbreeding with removing atheists and agnostics from the gene pool (via execution, incarceration, or exile) would logically result in a lower average IQ among the remaining local population, and that would compound with each generation.
1116   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 25, 1:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Past week...


POLICE in France have arrested a man on suspicion of attempted murder after he ploughed his car into a crowd while shouting “Allah Akbar”.

The 32-year-old suspect mowed down two victims who have been rushed to hospital following the shock incident at 1am in Nimes, southern France, where bystanders had gathered in preparation for the region’s annual grape harvesting festival.

The man was reported to have sped the car towards a crowd of 50 people outside the L’Instant T bar.

Witnesses said the man had tried to flee the scene but had been stopped by bystanders before being arrested by police at 1.30am.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1017469/Nimes-feria-2018-terror-car-attack-france


Horror as car ploughs into 'crowd of 100 children and teachers' - police manhunt underway
A CAR ploughed into a crowd of children and their parents on a walk near Karlshamn, in Sweden, police revealed today. Two pupils were hurt with a police manhunt now underway.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1022524/sweden-news-karlshamn-car-children-mjallby-school-Hinnedalsvagen
1117   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 25, 1:32pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
POLICE in France have arrested a man on suspicion of attempted murder after he ploughed his car into a crowd while shouting “Allah Akbar”.

The 32-year-old suspect mowed down two victims who have been rushed to hospital following the shock incident at 1am in Nimes, southern France, where bystanders had gathered in preparation for the region’s annual grape harvesting festival.

He was obviously triggered by "grape-harvesting festival", as alcohol is prohibited in Islam. Solution is of course to prohibit alcohol in France so that Muslims are not offended.
1118   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 25, 2:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Chinese Refugee attempts: Sweden says GTFO. Surprisingly, Chinese Swedes agree with them being ejected from "Refugee Hostel"
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tourists-09182018113737.html

They should have said they were Muslim Uighurs, then Sweden would have put them in a brand new apartment.

Update to the Australian Car of Peace attack:



The 33-year-old has faced the first day of a Melbourne Magistrates Court committal hearing charged with one count of murder and 15 of attempted murder.
Noori allegedly hit 16 pedestrians at the busy crossing at Flinders and Elizabeth streets, while other people were struck by flying bodies in chaotic scenes.
Off-duty police Sergeant Francis Adams was nearby and rushed to the car, which stopped when it hit a bollard and had Middle Eastern-style music playing.
"Sergeant Adams said to the accused he was under arrest and the accused said Allahu Akbar two or three times," prosecutor Mark Gibson SC said.

...
Also that day, Noori went to a bank to withdraw $7000, later depositing $3000 into his mother's bank account.
Noori came to Australian from Afghanistan as a refugee in 2004 and is now an Australian citizen.
He has had mental health and drug problems, and defence lawyers say mental impairment may be a defence.
The hearing continues before magistrate Suzanne Cameron.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/man-yelled-allahu-akbar-before-driving-into-melbourne-pedestrians-court-hears
"Mentally Ill" = Islamist
1119   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 25, 2:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Another Acid attack on a Woman - except her car, not herself - while she was with her children. In Manchester, UK

Masked men smashed a woman's car windows outside a primary school as she collected her children then poured a 'corrosive substance' on to the vehicle.

Police confirmed officers are currently responding to the incident in Openshaw.

A scene has been set up outside St Barnabas C of E Primary Academy on Parkhouse Street.

Greater Manchester Police confirmed no one was injured.

It's not known whether children were in the car at the time.

Police are currently hunting for two men and the force said searches of the area were ongoing.

Officers were called to the scene at 3.20pm.

GMP said officers at the scene were currently in the process of speaking to witnesses and the woman involved to gain a clear picture of what happened.

But it's understood two men - both wearing balaclavas - smashed the woman's car with weapons before pouring the substance over the bonnet and roof.

Police described the substance involved as 'unknown', but confirmed it caused damage to the vehicle.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/live-updates-manhunt-under-way-15199843
1120   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 26, 9:35pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/man-arrested-near-los-angeles-with-two-active-ieds/

Police near Los Angeles arrested a man following a traffic stop last week after they discovered two active IEDs in his vehicle.

Saleh Ali, 47, is being charged with transportation and possession of destructive devices according to a press release by the Orange County District Attorney's Office.

KTLA reports:

Saleh Ali was arrested Tuesday when a Brea police officer pulled him over at about 9 p.m. for having an expired registration on his vehicle, Brea Police Lt. Adam Hawley said.

"During the traffic stop, the officer keyed in on a couple of suspicious items in the car he believed to be an explosive device," Hawley said. "He detained the driver out of an abundance of caution, locked down a little bit of the area and called out sheriff's bomb squad deputies."

The deputies destroyed the suspected explosive devices at the scene, Hawley said.

Ali's last known address is Salinas, California.

Prosecutors say that the devices destroyed by the Orange County Sheriff's Department bomb squad were "containers covered in shrapnel" and would have exploded had they come in contact with an ignition source.

There is no evidence so far that shows any connection to a terrorist organization.


His name is evidence of a connection to Islam.
1121   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 27, 6:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Maldives Police Use Pickaxes To Destroy Artwork Deemed Un-Islamic"

Stories like this might really wake up some of the western European and American left.
1122   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 27, 7:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I dunno, their capacity to deny reality has been very impressive so far.
1123   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 27, 9:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Police described the substance involved as 'unknown', but confirmed it caused damage to the vehicle.

Possibly left over acid from throwing in girls faces.
1124   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 27, 9:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Another Acid attack on a Woman


Folks, if it's Drano, it's alkaline, not acid.

I have a degree in applied chemistry and trust me, alkaline burns are a lot worse than acid.
1125   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 27, 10:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I have a degree in applied chemistry and trust me, alkaline burns are a lot worse than acid.

You do not need such high credentials to know that bases are more caustic on organic mater than acids, anyone who took high school chem knows it. However, acid is still he weapon of choice The most commonly substances in these attacks is sulfuric and nitric acid. They may not be as potent as a strong base like lye, but will still cause severe burns, disfigurement and blindness.
1126   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 27, 10:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
They may not be as potent as a strong base like lye, but will still cause severe burns, disfigurement and blindness.


Drano costs less than $4 for 32 oz. If anything, it's the most cost effective weapon out there.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Drano-Max-Gel-Clog-Remover-32-ozs/11027258
1127   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 27, 8:19pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Muslims at it again, doing what Muslims do:

Dramatic moment Dutch police grab terror suspects from inside a white van as they 'foil major attack with suicide vests, assault rifles and car bombs'

Suspects rounded up in flash raids by heavily armed police in Arnhem and Weert
It came after a months-long police investigation into 34-year-old man from Iraq
Named Hardi N, the alleged leader is accused of planning to attack 'major event'
Convicted last year of trying to join ISIS in Syria and knew several other jihadists


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6215817/Seven-arrested-major-terror-attack-plot-Netherlands.html
1130   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 7, 2:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What do you call it when a Terrorist ties up a mother of a 1 year old and shoots her?

CNN: A "Workplace Shooting"

1131   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 7, 2:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
What do you call it when a Terrorist ties up a mother of a 1 year old and shoots her?


Allah Ho Akbar!
1132   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 7, 10:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        



Look for #HangAsiya for more demands, like this one:



She was accused years ago of blasphemy against the Prophet, and with the new PM Khan in place, the majority of Pakistanis - the Muslims - are demanding her sentence of Death be finally fulfilled in the name of the Prophet and the Quran.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/295468/asiya-bibis-unfair-trial/

This country has nuclear weapons.
1133   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 8, 9:42am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
She was accused years ago of blasphemy against the Prophet, and with the new PM Khan in place, the majority of Pakistanis - the Muslims - are demanding her sentence of Death be finally fulfilled in the name of the Prophet and the Quran.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/295468/asiya-bibis-unfair-trial/

This country has nuclear weapons.


They are barbarians and terrorists who have nuclear weapons. If we don't control them, they will control us.
1135   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 14, 3:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
Different continents with different histories, different ethnicities with different languages


Same fucking religion.
1136   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 14, 3:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I love khabib but competing in peace seems to be a problem if you talk shit about religion. http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/24957602/khabib-nurmagomedov-threatens-leave-ufc-teammate-zubaira-tukhugov-fired

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