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The Koch Brothers Want To Rewrite The Constitution And They're Closer Than You Think
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2017 Jun 14, 4:53pm 3,391 views 23 comments
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2017 Jun 14, 5:03pm
“The American people are fed up. Trump is not the solution. He’s a symptom of that frustration,†Meckler told USA Today earlier this week.“The American people are seeing that didn’t solve the problem, so now what? Eventually, they will come to this solution.â€
Terrifying because I think people will see exactly that, but the anger is going to be off the charts high.
I'm not sure where we are going politically though. It's an age of uncertainty.
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Jun 14, 5:24pm
Oh God forbid our elected officials follow constitutional rules to consider amending the Constitution.
This article is exactly what leftist hysteria looks like.
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Jun 14, 6:20pm
Oooh oooh oooh I know this one!
What are three people who were presidents and a congressman, a congresswoman, and a former governor?
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Jun 14, 6:21pm
Ummm...I don't think that's republicans or conservatives
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Jun 14, 6:22pm
I have no idea who that is. I'm middle aged and that dude still looks like he was an adult 30 years before I was born.
Oh God forbid our elected officials follow constitutional rules to consider amending the Constitution.
This article is exactly what leftist hysteria looks like.
So did you not understand the implications of what is going on somehow?
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Jun 14, 9:47pm
I have no idea who that is.
That's too bad. Hint, look up Dalton Trumbo.
Why is it a shame that I didn't know who a very naive communist sympathizer was?
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Jun 14, 10:04pm
Considering these guys were the leaders of Communism worldwide at the time of Dalton Trumbo, I'm changing my assessment from "naive" to "moronic boob who supported really terrible human beings who exterminated tens of millions."
Fuck with the Consy & there is no place one can hide.
Putting one's family at risk.
I have no idea who that is.
That's too bad. Hint, look up Dalton Trumbo.
Why is it a shame that I didn't know who a very naive communist sympathizer was?
It's not a picture of dalton trumbo. That was a hint of where to look. Try again. Bigger hint red scare.
Considering these guys were the leaders of Communism worldwide at the time of Dalton Trumbo, I'm changing my assessment from "naive" to "moronic boob who supported really terrible human beings who exterminated tens of millions."
You didn't get much history did you? You mean the time of the persecution of Dalton Trumbo. Most people caught up in the red scare were involved in the communist movement in the 30's. When America and all of the capitalist countries were in the great depression and Russia was making great strides in modernization. That was before any of the other communist leaders in your picture had taken power. Many people in the 30's questioned if capitalism had run it's natural course and if communism was going to replace it. It was a perfectly legitimate debate of the times. Most people caught up in the red scare had stopped supporting communism after Stalin showed what a monster he really was.
Not to mention being a communist was perfectly legal until the Communist Control Act 68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844 was signed in 1954. You know, that troublesome following the constitution thing you were harping about.
Is it possible the electorate feels under or unrepresented through it's elected officials in Congress? If so, why is it wrong for the founders to have provided a mechanism to wrest control back to the electorate? How is that fault of powerful entities such as the Koch brothers, or Soro's groups?
It's time to defend the constitution against the constitution...
The Constitution itself is not the issue, rather those who seek to subvert it. I doubt the ink nary dried on it as those who fought against it, began to plot it's demise. Very likely the most brilliant document on self governance ever created in human history, and includes mechanisms for self preservation.
Is it possible the electorate feels under or unrepresented through it's elected officials in Congress? If so, why is it wrong for the founders to have provided a mechanism to wrest control back to the electorate? How is that fault of powerful entities such as the Koch brothers, or Soro's groups?
Soros is a drop in the bucket compared to the spending by the Koch bros organization of the ultra rich libertarian elite. The electorate is unrepresented by it's elected officials in congress unless they happen to be one of the 500 or so that are on the invite list for the Koch bros twice a year fund raising and strategy session. The electorate will wrest zero control from a constitution convention bought and paid for by the Koch bros organization.
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Soros is a drop in the bucket compared to the spending by the Koch bros organization of the ultra rich libertarian elite. The electorate is unrepresented by it's elected officials in congress unless they happen to be one of the 500 or so that are on the invite list for the Koch bros twice a year fund raising and strategy session. The electorate will wrest zero control from a constitution convention bought and paid for by the Koch bros organization.
I'm having trouble following your point....if congressional control has been wrested from the electorate by the 500 or so Koch brothers surrogates, why would these power brokers risk a Constitutional convention? That's contradictory. By the way, I happen to agree with the notion that interests have been bought by powerful lobbyists, which has created the current public outcry. In fact, it's one reason a political outsider (such as Trump) managed to secure the support he did. The convention is a mechanism to wrest back control, along with other popular notions such as term limits.
I'm having trouble following your point....if congressional control has been wrested from the electorate by the 500 or so Koch brothers surrogates, why would these power brokers risk a Constitutional convention? That's contradictory.
Why would it be contradictory? The huge amounts of dark money being funnelled into this effort through opaque 503's isn't because the libertarian ultra wealthy want to do what is best for the average person. They want a very serious financial return on their investment. The convention would be populated by states legislatures which since citizens united have been dominated by koch organization backed legislators. They would have the power to rewrite the constitution to say whatever they wanted. In the real world that means whatever their financial backers wanted. What control do you think they would be wresting back for me and you?
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Jul 4, 1:05pm
That's what Rachel Maddow looks like each night, with her latest flimsy Putin-Trump Conspiracy.
Shaman
2017 Jul 6, 9:35am
This is a very dangerous idea the Koch brothers are pushing. Since it speaks to the very root of our government, changing it in almost any way has the potential for disaster. We've gone for 250 years (as a declared nation) and we're coming up on that as a Constitutional Republic. So far it's served us fairly well.
Giving lawyers an opportunity to write sneaky laws into the Constitution is a terrible idea. This will come to blood if this path is pursued, and possibly another Civil War.
Ceffer
2017 Jul 6, 11:50am
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that many men are mother fuckers, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain alienable and flexible Rights according to their station, that among these are Subjugation, Illusion of Liberty and the pursuit of Drunken, Stoned Whoring and Monster Trucks."
The Wisconsin Assembly votes Wednesday on whether to call for a convention to change the U.S. Constitution. While that in itself is surprising — the American people have never exercised their legally enshrined right to convene a new Constitutional convention — what’s more surprising is that pro-business groups with ties to the Koch brothers have pushed for similar legislation in more than 30 states, and they’ve been remarkably successful: A dozen states have passed bills calling for a convention that would produce an altered Constitution that would likely limit federal spending and power.
According to Article V of the Constitution, just two thirds (34) of the 50 state legislatures need to call for a convention for the purposes of “proposing constitutional amendments†(no governor’s signature is required). Those amendments would then need to be ratified by three quarters of the states, currently 38, to become law. But beyond those very basic requirements, nobody knows what the rules for a convention would be, since one hasn’t occurred since the original in 1787. That single instance, Constitutional law experts warn, provides a harrowing precedent: Delegates tore up the Articles of Confederation they had convened to improve, and produced a whole new governing document.
One of the two main groups pushing an Article V convention is the Convention of States, a project by Citizens for Self-Government, a nonprofit that doesn’t disclose its donors and has a variety of connections to David and Charles Koch, the billionaire industrialist brothers whose eponymous company is one of the country’s worst polluters and who have become synonymous with both overt and covert political spending in pursuit of limited government.
Another nonprofit supporting the movement is the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC, an organization “dedicated to the principles of limited government, free markets and federalism†that brings corporations and lawmakers together to draft model legislation that is then introduced in the states. ALEC doesn’t disclose its members, although the group’s opposition to climate change measures, gun control and voting rights has led to a recent exodus of member corporations and lawmakers.
Another anonymous-donor group called the Balanced Budget Amendment Task Force is calling specifically for a balanced budget amendment, as its name would suggest. That group says it has 27 states on board, based on previous calls going back decades for a balanced budget amendment, starting with Indiana in 1957.
Taylor attended ALEC’s 2013 conference in Chicago where Citizens for Self-Governance pitched the Article V convention to lawmakers. She told IBT she saw the same presentation that inspired Kapanga to author his bill.
“I can’t emphasize this enough: This was a call-to-action workshop,†Taylor told IBT. “This was a workshop where the legislators were told if you don't do this, if you don't lead this effort, if you don't go home and push this amendment, then you will be failing the Republic. It was like a church revival... I’m sitting back there thinking ‘oh my god this is wacky.’
“I was sitting several rows behind the lead author of the bill, Chris Kapanga,†Taylor said. “He’s trying to present this as his own idea. It’s really kind of laughable. I was there. I said to myself ‘I will see this bill in six months.’ Sure enough, I saw the bill in January.â€
According to the Center for Media and Democracy, Koch-linked groups have donated nearly $5.4 million to Citizens for Self-Government between 2011, when the group was founded, until 2015, the last year tax records are available. IRS filings show Citizens for Self-Government funding increased from $1.8 million to $5.7 million over that period.
“The American people are fed up. Trump is not the solution. He’s a symptom of that frustration,†Meckler told USA Today earlier this week.“The American people are seeing that didn’t solve the problem, so now what? Eventually, they will come to this solution.â€
But the one rule that is clear in the current Constitution, a rule which some warn could be rewritten at a convention, is that 38 states, or three-quarters of the states, would have to ratify whatever came out of the convention.
Full Article and Videos: http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/koch-brothers-want-new-constitution-theyre-closer-you-think-2552039
Note: Somewhat long article to read with all the sub links etc.
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