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According to the sheikh, in a world dominated by “Crusaders,” it is not possible to create a proper Islamic state in a single country. He cites as example the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

The Sheik has a point here. A true Islamic state is so brutal and violent, that an attack by the rest of the world is sooner or later inevitable.
We need to stop Islam States at step 1 instead of step 10, like in Afghanistan that came as a great expense to us.

All non-Christian infidels will openly submit to the Trinity.

Muslims can police their own or maybe suffer devastation of Mecca,Medina, Dome of the Rock & other of their holy sites & cover the evil land with bacon bites & lard.
Can Allah/Mohammad prevent it?

we tolerate islam = we die

I think the strategy has been , to try to help the Islamic world mature, integrate, and westernize, which at the same time is what the Islamic radicals are fighting.

For us to fight against their fight in any other way other than a continuation of this ? How would that work ? I don't think we are going to start saying, "for every terrorist attack in western countries, we are going to kill 100 times as many people in Islamic countries and blow up five mosques each time." That is what they would understand right ? And it would be a deterrent. But then the next thing you know radical Zionist agents are doing suicide attacks pretending to be Islamic terrorists.

Maybe the best strategy is to integrate as many moderate Muslims into western cultures as possible , and tolerate this violence, which only serves to give Islam a bad name.

Eventually, when the radicals do violence in a western country, they will be killing their own (more moderate ) brothers and sisters along with people of other religions and ethnicities.

After all, westernization of the Islamic world is how the Islamic radicals themselves define losing the war to the infidels. And that's what we must give them.

In other words, multiculturalism is not the problem, it is the solution. Besides, it is what's happening, so why fight it ?

marcus says

Maybe the best strategy is to integrate as many moderate Muslims into western cultures as possible , and tolerate this violence, which only serves to give Islam a bad name.

couple of problems with that.

1. they don't integrate well, especially not in europe.
2. "moderate" muslims are a big source of radical muslims.
3. tolerating violence is unfair to the people who get killed by it, and to their families.

much better would simply be separation. they live over there, we live over here.

we don't need a marriage. it's not working. we need a divorce.

we don't need a marriage. it's not working. we need a divorce.

One major problem with that

Say we're separated. Then 50, or hundred or two hundred years later, you have an enemy with weapons of mass destruction, who has a combination of envy and hate for us (the west). Their kids are still going to be tempted by the great Satan, to listen to popular music, or view porn, or wear jeans, whatever. They would want to destroy us, since they can't beat us, or compete with us, economically.

I guess they can become more like us for a few centuries, separate from us, and then rejoin the world when they are ready, but if so, we need to somehow be controlling them in the meantime, to prevent them from destroying us.

This all sounds more difficult than simply tolerating violence as they assimilate. But you may be right. There aren't easy answers to this.

How is it that Turkey got to where it is ? THey are an Islamic nation, actually secular somehow, but majority Ismamic. Sort of like we are with Christianity.

yes, that happened, and there are rumors that ataturk was not too nice about it either:

Maneshae Farhan
I dont know whether its made up, never bothered researching, but Ive heard that the first thing that Ataturk did when he came to power was to put all the fundos in a boat, the ones he thought would be a threat to his secular regime and sank it. We should've done this a long long time ago. Better than dealing with the poison and hatred that they spread now.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=559797514045719&id=198199843538823&p=10

One of my classmates in college was from Turkey. When I asked how Modern Turkey was he replied, "We all know in Turkey, Islam holds us back."

I don't know. You tell us.

http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724

marcus says

How is it that Turkey got to where it is ? THey are an Islamic nation, actually secular somehow, but majority Ismamic. Sort of like we are with Christianity.

The sad thing is that the secular Turks are really great people. Problem is, too many rednecks in Anatolia.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/inside-the-surreal-world-of-the-islamic-state%e2%80%99s-propaganda-machine/ar-BBng5wX?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

To win, and murder everyone who is not with them.

That is their goal according to that article on msn. It sounds like a power play in the middle east.