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Android has so much more to choose from. It's almost like the operating system is continuously morphing and mutating faster than iOS and continues to spread "virally". It will be hard for APPL to keep up.

Android has so many phone manufacturers with very impressive hardward that has already surpassed APPL on a global scale. Whereas I love APPL with my iPad, iPad mini, 2 iPhone 3s, (switched to Galaxy), at the end of the day, the victory will go to the most universal OS with the most variety across all price spectrums, and with China coming in strong in sales in cheap smart phones, I would not bank on iOS to continue to set the standard nor increase market share in the near future.

The vast number of apps for Android coming from the entire globe continue to dwarf the iStore/iTunes.

Plus the overpriced APPL Watch will be too expensive for most to want to afford. Watch will just be a fad. Always buy a waterproof watch (APPL?) no matter who the manufacturer is, I can't see people staying hooked on this APPL relic for more than a couple of years, unless it can make you a venti caramel iced frappacino, uncork and pour some pinot noir, give you a foot and back massage while in the hot tub, perform a hand-job (getting a bj would be spot-on) or hold IT while you are taking a leak, the Watch will not be a hit.

I went to the Apple store today to change my iPhone 5 battery that was run down. That place creeps me out, their customer service sucks, and every customer in there seems so fake, like they are trying to be cool with the latest gadget. To some people, the Apple Store is their place of worship. For me, I hate it with a passion.

I like their products (have an iPad and iPhone), but I will buy a PC over an Apple laptop in a heartbeat. Price to me for desktops and laptops means everything, comparing apples to apples.

quite simply, android, windows, etc operating systems require more knowledge to operate efficiently and safely, the tradeoff being more software flexibility and user customization.

apple OS is designed for ease of use and fashion statements, geared more towards the egotistically inclined. The tradeoff being you are captured in a closed system and must obtain apples approval for anything and everything.

JH says

Somebody please enlighten me about AAPL

thats because microsoft owners are educated enough to self-correct any problems, unlike apple fanbotz who flock to the genius bar every time their nano shrieks a quarter note off key...

Peter P says

I prefer the Microsoft Store experience though. There are usually twenty employees entertaining me as the sole customer. LOL.

+1
knowing which brand to buy is key.
or better yet, build your own.

JH says

Strategist says

The Dell and Hp I used to buy, would sputter and freeze after 1 or 2 years, and I would have to get a new one.

That is because you bought HP and probably cheap Dell. If you spend the same on a PC as you do on an Apple, you get the same computer (if not better).

for the best of both worlds, get an apple airbook for the hardware and install windows 7 64 bit for the software.

I'd say you fucked up. the red pill isn't a suppository.

Vicente says

Unless Apple invents another brand new gadget, it will slowly sink into oblivion. Just another version of slow iPhone or iPad won't cut it.

JH says

Price difference is negligible at best. But the difference in technology is staggering as shown in the OP.

The very first data piece you provided about screen size is wrong. iphone 6 has a 5.5 inch screen as an option.
When I used to buy PC's I would always look at RAM, Hard drive, processor speed etc. etc. I have no idea on anything with the MacBook I am typing on, and don't even care. All I know is it turns on right away, and works perfectly every time.
If anyone tries to take it away from me, I will kill them. :)

gsr says

Unless Apple invents another brand new gadget, it will slowly sink into oblivion. Just another version of slow iPhone or iPad won't cut it.

If you don't use the products, why do you care? I don't get your point.

You remind me of teenagers talking smack about which car is best.

The specs don't matter. Apple is selling a vanity product, and they're selling their software ecosystem. I've got both iOS and Android phones, and I use the iOS phone 99% of the time because of the user interface.

This is like asking why someone would buy designer jeans when cheaper, better jeans are available.

Obligatory:

myob says

This is like asking why someone would buy designer jeans when cheaper, better jeans are available.

Yup. Apple is like a sleek new fully loaded Lamborghini. All the other guys are rusty old Pintos.

Call it Crazy says

Oh wait, that's not a picture of an Android store....

I was at the mall a few weeks ago, and was just blown away at all of the Johnny Come Lately stores in the mall.
The Apple store, the Microsoft store, and the Sony Store.

They all had the same format. I wandered around the mall trying to find a Samsung store, but there just wasn't any.

Samsung stands on their own in the retail space. They don't need a special store to sell their quality products.

The thing that struck me as very odd about those tech retail stores.
Was all of these tables with their product laid out on them, no detailed specs and no price listed. As if you have to stand there and wait untold minutes or hours for one of the reps to come over and tell you what every limited misinformation that they may have.

I just laughed and walked out, did the same at all three stores.
the Apple store, the Microsoft store, and the Sony Store.

I can at least respect Apple they get a free pass on this clear Douchebaggery violation, because they invented this kind of store.
Well actually they copied the Gateway stores, but they aren't around anymore.

CaptainShuddup says

I can at least respect Apple they get a free pass on this clear Douchebaggery violation, because they invented this kind of store.

I guess you were born yesterday and never went into a Gap, a Banana Republic, Armani Exchange, or Ann Taylor.

CaptainShuddup says

Samsung stands on their own in the retail space. They don't need a special store to sell their quality products.

Agreed. They will run over everybody like a juggernaut. They just keep manufacturing..

Just bought this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152553

Upgraded the RAM and SSD. This puppy has a few SSD slots each accepting up to 1T. Blows the doors off any apple offering. It is heavy though but that's because it's such a beast.

My HTC EVO is about 4 years old and the battery only gives me about 30mins of talk time at this point. Rather than change it I'm going to buy the Galaxy Note 4 next month. It'll be my first Samsung product. I do like android.

Last time I used an apple product was 1999 in a molecular genetics lab. Their processors were shit though. If you wanted to do any accurate, precise math you used an intel chip. There are no apple machines in labs these days that I'm aware of even though they're using PC architecture now too. Some fellow software developers use them. Mostly I see marketing peeps using them.

Strategist says

The very first data piece you provided about screen size is wrong. iphone 6 has a 5.5 inch screen as an option.

No the screen size was not "wrong". I found a table that compared all the phones and gave it to you. I know that apple also has a 5.5" screen option. As far as I can find, the specs are all the same except screen size.

Strategist says

When I used to buy PC's I would always look at RAM, Hard drive, processor speed etc. etc. I have no idea on anything with the MacBook I am typing on, and don't even care.

Nowadays, you won't notice the difference between 4 GB RAM and 8GB+ on a desktop or laptop. The specs are overdone and meaningless: you are absolutely correct about this. (Unless you game or watch 16 windows of porn videos simultaneously...theoretically speaking...)

However, what those specs at the top did not include was that the galaxy note 4 also has an octacore option. Now, will we notice a dual core (apple) vs. octacore (samsung) on a phone? I don't know. Dual core just seems so old school ;-)

myob says

This is like asking why someone would buy designer jeans when cheaper, better jeans are available.

I don't think I get this. Who is cheaper and better? All the phones are the same price and the computers (for the same specs/quality) are the same price...

CaptainShuddup says

I was at the mall a few weeks ago, and was just blown away at all of the Johnny Come Lately stores in the mall.

The Apple store, the Microsoft store, and the Sony Store.

I like watching people carrying their broken all-in-one apple computer/monitors through the mall. It's great advertising. Kind of like seeing a rusted out Pinto on the side of the freeway.

just_passing_through says

Last time I used an apple product was 1999 in a molecular genetics lab. Their processors were shit though. If you wanted to do any accurate, precise math you used an intel chip. There are no apple machines in labs these days that I'm aware of

Exactly my experience...in 1996...

JH says

CaptainShuddup says

I was at the mall a few weeks ago, and was just blown away at all of the Johnny Come Lately stores in the mall.

The Apple store, the Microsoft store, and the Sony Store.

I like watching people carrying their broken all-in-one apple computer/monitors through the mall. It's great advertising. Kind of like seeing a rusted out Pinto on the side of the freeway.

I'm sure it was a Dell, with the owner looking for a big enough trash can to dump it in. If an Apple fails, it's because someone tried to wash it in a dishwasher.

Strategist says

I'm sure it was a Dell, with the owner looking for a big enough trash can to dump it in.

Ah you're right. It was a Dell box. Walking into the Apple store. Is that a requirement? You cannot carry anything into the store for repair if packaged with the Apple logo?

Not getting to much info on this thread. Just saw that Apple jumped ship to TSMC with the A8 processor @ 20nm. Note to others, Snapdragon 805 is built on a 28nm line. And Snapdragon 805s are the last gasp for 32 bit ARM cores. Jeesshhh, guys, let's dig a little and try to be relevant. As I said, never owned an Apple product, but appreciate Jobs take over of the universe with the "go vertical or go home" philosophy. Will be interesting to see how long Apple can milk it.

Edit: note that Apple began the 64 bit transition the the A7 processor.

Apple is just an overprized status symbol. Once the status vanes, so will sales.

This cartoon is worth a peak.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple

Strategist says

I'm sure it was a Dell, with the owner looking for a big enough trash can to dump it in. If an Apple fails, it's because someone tried to wash it in a dishwasher.

Their laptops have had plenty of issues over the years - failing graphics cards seems to be a recurring theme. I had a Macbook Pro under Applecare that finally got replaced for free after repeated problems. They produce tech. Tech fails. One advantage with Apple is that they are generally pretty good at sorting it out (as long as you're covered) but that all comes at a premium. Mind, I think their Macbook Airs have represented pretty good value over the years.
The new iphone though looks expensive (and oversized) in comparison to some Androids currently on the market. Spending close to a $1000 on an unlocked phone is a bit much especially given how common it is to drop the damn things.

I don't understand these phablets. Why too big for me.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/first-hands-on-impressions-with-the-new-iphone-6-and-97157217054.html

JH says

Why on earth is AAPL stock so fucking high?

Apple is a world changer.. Samsung and other companies are followers. I guarantee you that the Apple Pay feature on the new IPHONE is gonna change how we buy things. You'll look like a luddite if you are paying for something with cash or card in 5 years.

Apple makes science fiction work in the real world. Before the IPHONE... no one would have thought people would be walking around with touchscreen phones by their sides 24/7. Apple made that happen through ease of use.

The practically killed off the NETBOOK from existence in a single year after the IPAD was released.

Way back in early 2000 they resurrected the music industry from near death by NAPSTER with the IPOD.

Denying this company has changed the world and isn't going to continue changing the world is pretty short-sighted.

BoomAndBustCycle says

JH says

Why on earth is AAPL stock so fucking high?

Apple is a world changer.. Samsung and other companies are followers. I guarantee you that the Apple Pay feature on the new IPHONE is gonna change how we buy things. You'll look like a luddite if you are paying for something with cash or card in 5 years.

Apple definitely changes our lifestyle with each introduction of a major technology. If we can now leave our wallets at home guess what we will have to do first? Buy an iphone. Ha ha ha. You guys are hooked...you have no choice.
JH, Apple stock is way underpriced. I got in at $440.00 and have been preaching how undervalued the stock is ever since. Apple Will Be The First Company On This Planet To Be Worth $1 trillion In Market Cap. You have it in writing. :) :)

Apple innovates and then goes to sleep. It is a microcosm of American manufacturing. Think TVs, cars... while apple sleeps it dreams of patent infringement.

Strategist it seems like everything you own is "underpriced". I see a patternď

JH says

Strategist it seems like everything you own is "underpriced". I see a patternď

That's the idea. Why hang on to something you think is overpriced? I don't own gold stocks or bullion because I think it's over priced.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Samsung and other companies are followers.

Samsung makes the chip in the iPhone. It's really not that great when your suppliers make a competing product.

Apple has been offering less at a higher cost since the Apple II vs. the C64.

thunderlips11 says

It's really not that great when your suppliers make a competing product.

It's fine because you can always cry anti-trust.

Alas, you have to respect Apple. I have never been a fan of their products, yet somehow we have an iMac, an iPod, an iPad, a Time Machine, and TWO MacBook Pro's. I don't know how that happened.

thunderlips11 says

Samsung makes the chip in the iPhone.

Samsung made the A7, but the A8 is made by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC).

Apple and Samsung have a complicated relationship. During much of the Apple v Samsung litigation, Apple was also Samsung's biggest customer, including chips and displays; that might still be true. They compete, they litigate, and they continue making stuff.

Somebody worried it will not sell???

The iPhone 6 hasn't even been released yet, but there's already a way to get it for free.
In an unusual move, Verizon Wireless (VZ, Tech30) announced Tuesday it would give away one of the phones Apple (AAPL, Tech30) revealed earlier in the afternoon.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/09/technology/mobile/verizon-iphone-6/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Peter P says

thunderlips11 says

It's really not that great when your suppliers make a competing product.

It's fine because you can always cry anti-trust.

Alas, you have to respect Apple. I have never been a fan of their products, yet somehow we have an iMac, an iPod, an iPad, a Time Machine, and TWO MacBook Pro's. I don't know how that happened.

You are an addict Peter, an addict. It only gets worse, and worth every penny.

The Cap'n said: They put a whopping, 1 whole gig of Ram in that thing?
I guess their innovative thinking later will be to introduce a 2 and subsequently a 3 gig version, when their backs are against the wall on the tail of dismal quarterly earnings.
Well, if they wanted, Apple could put 16 GB of usable RAM in one of their phones. You can't do that on any of the other phones listed above. Does anyone here understand that the PA Semi chip designers have been busy?

JH says

Somebody worried it will not sell???

The iPhone 6 hasn't even been released yet, but there's already a way to get it for free.

In an unusual move, Verizon Wireless (VZ, Tech30) announced Tuesday it would give away one of the phones Apple (AAPL, Tech30) revealed earlier in the afternoon.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/09/technology/mobile/verizon-iphone-6/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Probably more like Verizon worried about defection.

I and my family, are defecting to T-Mobile. I've been using a MicroCell device at home, but it's clunky. T-Mobile will offer WiFi-calling, and already has free international roaming. Just as I think I want those features, there's one provider that offers both, so the timing is perfect.

Analysts worry over the churn of valued customers. I called in to American Express and alluded to my annual fee coming up and thinking if it's worth it. I spend a lot on that card. Before long I had a specialist on the line laying out incentives of money and points to keep me. I read somewhere that the cost of acquiring a credit card customer is ~$700, so if you are decent ongoing value to them, they will spend to keep you as replacing you is expensive. I'm sure some analyst at VZ made a similar judgement.