Public teacherâ€™s high pay is not justified!

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Public teacherâ€™s high pay is not justified!

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2012 Jul 10, 8:23pm 46,551 views 142 comments

Many teachers claim their incomes are insufficient. Many times they are not compared to the private sector because most teachers have very little real world, private sector, experience. They do not realize that pension and healthcare benefits that range from $10,000 to $60,000 a year are included in wages. Not including these huge benefits is a falsification of their compensation. Also, teachers have phenomenal job security which is not included in their nominal wages. Truthfully teachers only work about 2/3 of the year which is omitted from the conversation! Not too many private sector jobs get this perk, itâ€™s funny that this is not factored in when looking at wages. Also not many private sector jobs have yearly scheduled pay increases equal or greater than inflation. It is easy to steal more money from tax payers, it is hard to compete to be deserving of those pay raises.

In the business world, an employee or owner brings in a certain amount of revenue to a company. In most circumstances, the compensation they get for their work is between 10%-15% of that revenue. Capital, raw materials, managers, interest, energy, facilities, transportation, and taxes all need to be paid with the other 90% to 85% of the money. So if someone makes $100,000 a year income, under normal circumstances, it is safe to say they bring in about $850,000 to $1,000,000 revenue a year. This shows that the worker is returning their worth to society because people voluntarily spent their money with their business and declared this entity worthy.

Now letâ€™s look at the Public school teacher. In WI, the cost to educate a child per year in the public sector is around $12,000 a year! This is not viable in the private sector because nobody would be able to afford it, but letâ€™s give teachers the benefit of the doubt. Then letâ€™s say they teach 25 kids. 25 times $12,000 is $300,000 revenue a year. 15% of $300,000 is $45,000 a year. Including benefits, a starting teacher in WI makes $50,000 and a teacher with 30 years makes $95,000 with benefits. That is about 30% of revenue! This is all assuming that the $12,000 a year is possible. How many people can afford to pay that? That is why the private sector schooling is so less expensive!

Does anyone know why kids only go to school 2/3 of the year? It is because 120 years ago kids had to work in the farm fields! The public education school system is so outdated because it is restricted from competition! If schools had to compete for students and their funds, maybe then kids would be getting taught. In the private sector, companies donâ€™t just get a geographic monopoly and get their customers handed to them like public teachers do. The private sector has to perform and prove their value to the customers. If they donâ€™t, they will go out of business and those customers will go to succeeding schools. What this country needs is to restore capitalism to the education system. They should force schools and teachers to compete and let the parents decide where they want their own money spent and on what education they desire is best for their children, not some central planner in Washington!

Also one of the biggest detriments to free education is that it is FREE! People do not value things as much as when they have to give up hard earned funds. If parents had to spend even 50% of the cost to educate the child, they would be furious if the kid was not getting a return on their investment. If their kid came home with a C, the parents would express the cost and value of the education and ensure his performance. Now parents donâ€™t even care because they donâ€™t visually see the money being extracted from their paychecks in the form of taxes over the course of their lives. Collective responsibility of education diminishes the parentâ€™s role in requiring value for the services their child should be receiving.

I recently calculated the dollar per hour wage of a 5th year teacher I know. They only work 35 hours a week, 39 weeks a year, which is 1365 hours a year. With a wage of $59,000, which includes benefits, this equals $43.22 an hour. How many private sector jobs offer this pay with all the given perks?

Teachers pay, the truth comes out:
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/33534649.html?appSession=17229597071022

Also, watch the movie â€œWaiting for Supermanâ€.
http://www.movie2k.to/Waiting-For-Superman-watch-movie-482494.html

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93 AlexS 2012 Jul 12, 4:27am

bdrasin says

OK, suppose you just tell us what you think public teachers should be paid?

Most should be fired, jailed perhaps. The remaining - based on their performance. Some good teachers will make hundreds of thousands, with long lines of appreciating students and parents trying to get their business. Millons if your name is Khan (google Khan academy).

People should get their property tax moneys refunded, and decide how and where to spend on educating their kids.

hey, I hear it's 21st century, we have internet, and can watch Khan Academy for FREE??? Isn't it what you do when you want to learn algebra or history, anyway? I mean, when you really want to learn, not when you seat on your pants in school listening to disinformation facilitators discuss how to use condoms?

FortWayne 2012 Jul 12, 4:27am

evilmonkeyboy says

A high school chemistry teacher with 180 students doesn't have to spend time setting up the labs that they do in class. The chemicals magically mix themselves and then put themselves away.

I don't know about every teacher and every school, out here homework gets rarely assigned, it never gets graded - A's are assigned for home work being simply turned in. Basically students today can graduate via attendance, not merit. And I personally have a problem with that.

Not all schools are the same and I get it. But what I see isn't education or quality.

Vicente 2012 Jul 12, 4:28am

AlexS says

Remember your college days? Now, who were the stupidest, lowest performing, constantly bar-hopping students? Why, the Teacher majors!

Among my high school peers, the biggest jerks and idiots became cops. In college it was MGT Majors, I remember one guy whose favorite outfit was a bathrobe later joking about how much money he made for nothing productive.

YMMV.

96 AlexS 2012 Jul 12, 4:31am

tatupu70 says

Well, that's certainly a convincing argument. Factual, unbiased, based on statistics..

Why don't you walk into any university bar on thursday night and see for yourself? ANY university (!!!) bar.
Then walk into chemistry lab, or computer lab.

Compare with medical and engineering majors.

97 AlexS 2012 Jul 12, 4:32am

Vicente says

Among my high school peers, the biggest jerks and idiots became cops.

Sorry, I talked to chicks in the bar, not dudes :)

Vicente 2012 Jul 12, 4:36am

AlexS says

Sorry, I talked to chicks in the bar, not dudes :)

You may not have noticed that women work these days. "Jerks and idiots" is not male.

99 AlexS 2012 Jul 12, 4:37am

Vicente says

I remember one guy whose favorite outfit

Vicente says

You may not have women are employed these days. "Jerks and idiots" is not male.

...

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tatupu70 2012 Jul 12, 4:37am

AlexS says

Why don't you walk into any university bar on thursday night and see for yourself? ANY university (!!!) bar.
Then walk into chemistry lab, or computer lab.
Compare with medical and engineering majors.

Well, when I went to school my engineering mates drank pretty well and partied quite a bit....

Not sure what that has to do with whether teachers are overpaid, however.

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freak80 2012 Jul 12, 4:41am

AlexS says

Their finish products (kids that can't read or do simple math) is horrible, if not criminal.

what about proper grammar?

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freak80 2012 Jul 12, 4:43am

Vicente says

Among my high school peers, the biggest jerks and idiots became cops.

Ever see the movie "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle"?

103 AlexS 2012 Jul 12, 4:44am

wthrfrk80 says

what about proper grammar?

Well, how about hitting that "Ignore" link instead of searching for flies in my trousers?

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Vicente 2012 Jul 12, 4:47am

AlexS says

Vicente says

I remember one guy whose favorite outfit

Vicente says

You may not have women are employed these days. "Jerks and idiots" is not male.

...

Oh you want more stories than just one randomly picked male? I had another mechanical engineering classmate, very smart girl. During school she made money stripping. Post graduation she couldn't stick with engineering jobs due to an addiction to money, went back to it. Money, drugs, and there's a predictable spiral from there. Was there a point to all these anecdotes? I forget.

105 AlexS 2012 Jul 12, 4:50am

Vicente says

Among my high school peers, the biggest jerks and idiots became cops.

We can certainly start another thread about the "underpaid police officers", who "put their lives in constant danger", and "say good bye to their kids not knowing it's the last time they see them", and so forth...

If anyone is overpaid for doing least work more than teachers, I would certainly nominate the unionized bullies in government jumpsuits with badges.

Here are some stats from Fullerton, CA:
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2012/a-close-look-at-total-compensation/#comments

Take a look at Kelly Thomas case if you have time - the unionized thugs tortured, tazed, and sadistically murdered an innocent civilian who didn't resist and didn't do anything innapropriate (as publically availabe city camera video showed), then pretended that victim resisted arrest, and fought, and had their supervisors cover for them:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/111611.html

Cops are just another matter. Although socialism always works the same - least work for most pay, and complete disregard for your customers (be it the innocent civilians or school kid).

106 anonymous 2012 Jul 12, 4:51am

AlexS says

Every time liberals talk about more money for schools and children, they mean more money for teachers unions and public administrators.

And more money for construction projects.

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freak80 2012 Jul 12, 5:51am

Teachers make fabulous money yes. I see them in their BMW's and Mercedes Benz's all the time.

108 AlexS 2012 Jul 12, 6:06am

wthrfrk80 says

Teachers make fabulous money yes. I see them in their BMW's and Mercedes Benz's all the time.

I suppose you didn't read the "Millionare next Door" by Stanley & Danko. Cliff notes: you are not what you drive...

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marcus 2012 Jul 12, 6:13am

AlexS says

Their finish products (kids that can't read or do simple math) is horrible, if not criminal.

marcus says

"This September, public schools provided almost 70 percent of the students entering Harvard"

That was 2009
http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/harvarddean-part5/

I read elsewhere that 68% of the class of 2015 are from public schools.

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marcus 2012 Jul 12, 6:23am

AlexS says

By combining all substitute and part time teachers, and by not accounting benefits.

This really is bs. I despise the type of dishonesty this guy spews, so this is the last thing I'll say to AlexS.

Here's a typical salary schedule. It's for las vegas. Some rural areas are going to be way lower, some urban areas (where you can't buy a starter home for under 400K) are going to be somewhat higher.

http://www.ccsd.net/employees/resources/pdf/salary_licensed_benefits.pdf

111 AlexS 2012 Jul 12, 6:23am

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