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You have to keep the following in mind:

MAGA and the historical political realignment it is a major part of is above all a social evolution.

Sarah Palin was proto-MAGA. None of us knew it at the time as such, but it sure is obvious now.

People like Trump are MAGA 1.0. This includes Kari Lake and MTG.

People like Vivek are MAGA 2.0. Not saying Vivek is electable, but he can handle the media exactly how we want him to and need all our MAGA pols to. And, policy-wise is smart & knowledgeable compared to the above precursors. Tucker Carlson I put into this category as well. Possibly a more seasoned Kari Lake, too.

DeSantis...he's a Globohomo Globalist sellout as far as I can tell. As long as he sucks Donor Cock like Neocon Nikki does (he just hides it a lot better), this will always be the case.

UkraineIsFucked says

DeSantis...he's a Globohomo Globalist sellout as far as I can tell.

When our party is filled with retardation like this, it explains why Democrats run rings around us and why Republicans have lost power in virtually every branch of government since 2016.

What good is "MAGA 1.0 or 2.0" if they keep running people like Sarah Palin and Kari Lake (and Doctor Oz and Herschel Walker) who lose EASY elections?

It was Trumpian genius for Kari Lake to tell a bunch of old retired Arizona veterans who liked McCain "To get the hell out!" right before her election. Addition by subtraction!

I forgot, Trump and MAGA think they are going to replace all of the moderate Republicans they have alienated with a bunch of African Americans and Bruce Jenner's tranny friends..

https://chrishanger.wordpress.com/2024/01/10/some-reflections-on-the-current-populist-situation/

Kari Lake was completely defrauded with the willing assistance of the AZ GOP.

The phone call came out and the Chairman of the AZ GOP resigned over it. Basically trying to bribe her to get out.

She was one of the most popular local newscasters in Arizona, beloved by natives and retirees alike, and continues to win lawfare cases over the election.

socal2 says

I forgot, Trump and MAGA think they are going to replace all of the moderate Republicans they have alienated with a bunch of African Americans and Bruce Jenner's tranny friends..

There's NOTHING moderate about McCain, or Nikki Haley, or Dick Cheney, or any of those Neocon assholes. Those fuckers invited the Neocons to control foreign policy for 20 years which has led to nothing but disaster. The reason we have NOTHING but propaganda in corporate media is because of them.

People who think they are "moderate republicans", are just brainwashed republicans. These are the people that were easily convinced "we can't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud" from Iraq, who obsess about whether Michelle Obama is a transgender or not - who fucking cares? They will support ANY war as long as a republican starts it, and will oppose ANY war as long as a democrat starts it.

The moderate republicans are nothing more than brain dead party loyalists. They'd vote for Lucifer himself if the media and establishment republicans supported him. These are barely even sentient people. They have no principles, and if, say, a democrat came around that had every value (and demonstrated that he did) that a "moderate republican" had, they'd vote for a communist on the republican ticket. They don't matter. They vote completely unthinkingly.

socal2 says

What good is "MAGA 1.0 or 2.0" if they keep running people like Sarah Palin and Kari Lake (and Doctor Oz and Herschel Walker) who lose EASY elections?

Neither Kari Lake of Doctor Oz lost their elections.

Until you realize this, you're going to be perpetually puzzled as to why people keep losing "easy" elections. They aren't losing them. Until you see the actual problem, there's NO CHANCE it can be fixed.

AmericanKulak says

Kari Lake was completely defrauded with the willing assistance of the AZ GOP.

Yes. Notice what MAGA 1.0 ers have most in common? They are defined by not what they have done as much as what has been done/is being done to them. Pseudo-martyrs, of a sorts. That is why in order to move onto MAGA 2.x and beyond, we need crafty, competent people who are less of a shit-on matt by the old guard and more who do actual things that matter/unfuck things.

UkraineIsFucked says

That is why in order to move onto MAGA 2.x and beyond, we need crafty, competent people who are less of a shit-on matt by the old guard and more who do actual things that matter/unfuck things.

Absolutely.

DeSantis and his team would have brought competency in spades to the White House. People with no baggage who can play the game to defeat Democrats even when the lawfare and voter fraud deck is stacked against them.

Who is Trump bringing in this time around that is competent? Trump's picks in personal attorneys is abysmal starting with slimeball Michael Cohen, Sidney "Kraken" Powell, and the hot chick who just lost the New York case last week to that nutball Jean Carroll.

We will likely get uber-Rino chick VP's like Kristi Noem or Elise Stefanik as Sarah Palin 2.0. JEB! has a more Conservative record than those 2!

socal2 says

DeSantis and his team would have brought competency in spades to the White House. People with no baggage who can play the game to defeat Democrats even when the lawfare and voter fraud deck is stacked against them.

Somehow you magically missed this part:

UkraineIsFucked says

DeSantis...he's a Globohomo Globalist sellout as far as I can tell. As long as he sucks Donor Cock like Neocon Nikki does (he just hides it a lot better), this will always be the case.

socal2 says

"We will likely get uber-Rino chick VP's like Kristi Noem"

I am curious: Is there any strong evidence that shows Kristi Noem is a RINO?

The_Deplorable says

I am curious: Is there any strong evidence that shows Kristi Noem is a RINO?

Her weird rambling explanation that made no legal sense (for example, the NCAA cannot ban schools or students for state or college bylaws or laws) for not signing the transban bill after swearing to sign it. Her chief advisor worked for the biggest Hospital Group in Sioux Falls. There was another minor thing but I forgot.

socal2 says

the hot chick who just lost the New York case last week to that nutball Jean Carroll.

That judge was so corrupt that no attorney could have prevailed. It was like trying to win in East German court.

socal2 says

Who is Trump bringing in this time around that is competent? Trump's picks in personal attorneys is abysmal starting with slimeball Michael Cohen, Sidney "Kraken" Powell, and the hot chick who just lost the New York case last week to that nutball Jean Carroll.

Nobody could have won that case. We don't have a judicial system at this point.

richwicks says

socal2 says

Nobody could have won that case. We don't have a judicial system at this point.

I'm curious about this. I believe damages were awarded by the Jury, not the Judge. I searched for info regarding the composition of the jury to try to find a bias angle but that was not successful. In a civil case is it enough to get a straight plurality of jurors or does it need to be unanimous? The verdict seemed (A) wrong - because it's not defamation if what Trump tweeted can be proven to be a reasonable account of reality - and E. Jean is clearly mentally unstable, and (B) how could you find a full Jury of TDS victims, even in a NY or DC court? Did not Trumps lawyers get a chance to vet the pool?

At any rate, staring down the barrel at over a half billion dollars in unfair judgements right at the kick off of election season is purely coincidence, right?

socal2 says

When our party is filled with retardation

Democrat? Or RINO?

HeadSet says

That judge was so corrupt that no attorney could have prevailed. It was like trying to win in East German court.

We are all going to be here in November saying "The election was so rigged, no Republican could have won!"

We used to say, "no one can defeat DEI, win against the teachers unions, government bureaucracy or big Corporate donors like Disney and Hollywood!"

Too bad the only Republican candidate with a massive history of Conservative victories is deemed a "Global-homo sell out" by the retard autistics in our party......

Honestly hope I am wrong, but tired of losing and tired of the excuses.

The notion that the judicial system is completely "rigged" is a weird one. If it was, Rittenhouose would rot in prison now, yet he doesn't. There are bad apples among judges and there are good apples. Judge Benitez of the "California freedom week" fame is a good one. Judge who presided over Rittenhouse case is definitely one of the good apples too. And quality of defense lawyers does make difference and not everyone who loses his case does it because of "woke jury" - sometimes it's because their lawyers suck hairy monkey balls. So automatically dropping into a fetal position and proclaiming that "can't win anything - the system is rigged" is just losertalk.

stfu says

I'm curious about this. I believe damages were awarded by the Jury, not the Judge. I searched for info regarding the composition of the jury to try to find a bias

Juries are purposely picked to be easy. It's not a random selection of people in society.

Derek Chauvin was innocent, he didn't kill George Floyd. There's video proof of this. The entire arrest was recorded on bodycam. You can watch it, still they convicted him. That's our "judicial system".

stfu says

Did not Trumps lawyers get a chance to vet the pool?

The entire pool was corrupt.

Eric Holder says

The notion that the judicial system is completely "rigged" is a weird one. If it was, Rittenhouose would rot in prison now, yet he doesn't.

He almost did. FIB with-held high resolution video of the entire incident. They initially sent an 360p video that they transcoded to reduce resolution. They won't release the January 6th videos because it was entrapment. It didn't help Derek Chauvin to have a bodycam proving his innocent.

More clown-show drama by Trump's legal team.

Can anyone in the MAGA universe play this game?

"Trump's lawyer Alina Habba says, in short, that she was just asking questions about the New York Post article.

After Carroll's lawyer rejected it—and threatened to seek sanctions—Habba says the matter seems "resolved.""

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1752396323842646178

richwicks says

He almost did.

When I ask my kid if the homework is done and he answers "almost" I say "it means it's not done".

As an adult I assume you already know the difference between "did" and "almost did". Hint: they are two opposite things.

There's a reason Trump was charged whenever possible in the darkest blue areas. Those juries would convict Trump no matter what.

DeSantis wins as judge dismisses Disney's lawsuit against him
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68157268

I like guys that actually win the fights they pick and don't walk into their political opponent's lawfare traps.

Meanwhile, here is our presumptive nominee sounding no different than AOC or Adam Schiff and siding with the Disney pedos. Is it just terrible instincts, or is Trump really beholden to his donors like he is with Bud Light?

Eric Holder says

When I ask my kid if the homework is done and he answers "almost" I say "it means it's not done".

WTF?

You were saying that the fact the Rittenhouse wasn't in prison was proof our judicial system isn't fucking totally corrupt here

Yes it is.



Or that crackhead motherfucker would be in prison just like anybody else would be. This piece of shit was getting teenage prostitutes, and he's selling bullshit art so his father can accept bribes. Totally untouchable.

We have several hundred political prisoners in jail for protesting what they thought was a stolen election, and probably was. Don't argue with me dishonestly, don't waste my time saying water is dry, and dirt is edible. Shut the fuck up if all you can do is lie. Don't talk to me.

Here's Trump back doing the bidding of his woke donors. Anheuser-Busch is not even a full American company being owned by a Belgian conglomerate.

The most successful Conservative boycott in our history and of course Trump and his MAGA grifters are siding with the trannies. Just like Trump and his grifter minions were on the wrong side of the Disney/DeSantis spat.

If by some miracle Trump is elected - he is going to govern more left wing than Arnold Schwarzenegger.

socal2 says

If by some miracle Trump is elected - he is going to govern more left wing than Arnold Schwarzenegger.

You'll want that miracle. Even if it's not the best. The choice is over for now. Trump is the nominee.

I didn't like the whole Bud Light thing. It's fucking trivial though. We're sending billions to foreign nations that do NOTHING for us. I like your points but we need to focus on us. Not Ukraine. Not Isreal. Not Russia. None of those places could meaningfully attack us and what would be the reason?

We need to get this hemisphere in order and we'll be a juggernaut for a century. Who cares about beer and gays. The more attention you give, the more that pop out of the clown closet.

WookieMan says

You'll want that miracle. Even if it's not the best. The choice is over for now. Trump is the nominee.

The fucker is already tacking to the Left on social issues and trying to appease his few remaining donors and he isn't even in the General election yet. Then I get to hear all of his obnoxious MAGA sycophants going on about how people like DeSantis were sECret LiBEraL gLObaLists and Trump is the one true Conservative.

Fuck that noise. If I am going to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils, I sure as shit will criticize Trump and his followers when they deserve it.

WookieMan says

I didn't like the whole Bud Light thing. It's fucking trivial though.

That's country club Republican talk.

Politics is downstream of Culture.

You should see all the tranny, LGBT and BLM shit my kids have to endure at school and then we wonder why half the country are utterly retarded voting for Democrats.

socal2 says

You should see all the tranny, LGBT and BLM shit my kids have to endure at school and then we wonder why half the country are utterly retarded voting for Democrats.

Move. That shit doesn't happen by me. Or get involved. Be the ass hole. It works. It's worked for Dems since I was born. Do the same as them. I'm physically bigger than most, but I'll chew your fucking head off if you're doing wrong by me. Get elected yourself.

This is what Republicans do. They bitch and moan and do nothing. Dislike Trump he's done more for your cause since Reagan if not even better. Covid was fake in an election year and Trump had to react. It was unfortunate. His attacks are almost 100% logical. I've called my SIL's and MIL cunts. Because they were. I don't care about personality. Biden cannot function. Desantis was a dead pony. He doesn't have it and won't. Vivek will torch his ass with 3-4 more years of experience.

Trump needs to and I think will take out the trash this time. Desantis wouldn't have. He'd be trying for another term and playing it safe. We need a lame duck right now. Halft the god damn world is bombing each other. That's working.... We don't need a softie that's trying to get re-elected.

WookieMan says

Trump needs to and I think will take out the trash this time. Desantis wouldn't have. He'd be trying for another term and playing it safe. We need a lame duck right now. Halft the god damn world is bombing each other. That's working.... We don't need a softie that's trying to get re-elected.

Trump isn't going to take out the trash. He will be tied up with the lawfare and will be busy trying to cut "Big Bipartisan DEALS" with Democrats to burnish his reputation in the 4 short years he has in office. Look at what Trump is ALREADY doing with Disney, Bud Light and saying nice things about Gavin and Hillary. He needs every donor and ally he can get.

Face it, Trump is not an ideological Conservative. He doesn't care about the culture. Trump is Mike Bloomberg New York Liberal but way better on the border. That is enough to get my vote and better than any Democrat. But damn, we could have WON and had it all with DeSantis.

DeSantis has a proven history of picking risky fights and WINNING. I'm tired of losing and tired of hearing MAGA excuses already trying to lower the bar this November claiming it is impossible to win due to voter fraud.

The TDS isn't as strong this time around. The bread and butter issues are coming home to roost and even reflexive Blue State libs cooling to Xiden. Whereas elements of the Dem Base, esp. Blacks, are getting turned off by the wave of illegals stealing what they think should be their attention and taxdollars.

Rumor is some sizeable RNC Donors - not the biggest ones but many of the secondary tier donors - are royally pissed at Ronna McRomney for blowing cash on floral arrangements and limo rides.

I think some Old Fart GOP Taxcuts, Military Contracts, Cheap Labor and Money, and Give-In On Everything Else types are slowly realizing it has to be Trump, if just to make sure there aren't more leftist nutcases appointed when the Recession hits this year in full.

socal2 says

. Look at what Trump is ALREADY doing with Disney, Bud Light and saying nice things about Gavin and Hillary. He needs every donor and ally he can get.

You do know politics, right? Desantis would do the same. He licked his wounds and got out unlike Haley. Wise decision. It wasn't Desantis time right now. He saved his political future. Which is what we need. Trump is the most logical even though I know you don't like it. Cheating won't be an option this time. There will be nut head right wingers sitting there watching the ballots.

The key being they come out in urban vicinities/polling places and take action. It's going to be a fun November either way and shitty 2024 as a whole.

WookieMan says

You do know politics, right? Desantis would do the same.

But DeSantis didn't do the same thing when given the opportunity.

DeSantis stood up to Trump and the woke LGBTQ mafia when all of the country club Rinos and MAGA grifters were all saying that DeSantis was going to get walloped by Disney.

DeSantis also stood up to Trump and Fauci during the Covid debacle.

WookieMan says

Cheating won't be an option this time. There will be nut head right wingers sitting there watching the ballots.

Someone tell all the Trump supporters online and here at Patnet. Many have already been making excuses about it being impossible to win elections if/when Trump turns into a 2 time loser against Biden or whoever the Democrats run in November.

socal2 says

Someone tell all the Trump supporters online and here at Patnet. Many have already been making excuses about it being impossible to win elections if/when Trump turns into a 2 time loser against Biden or whoever the Democrats run in November.

The same cheat that would defeat Trump would be used on DeSantis. As I have mentioned before, I predict the mechanism will be to "dominion" enough actual votes for Trump/Desantis over to RFK so that Biden wins in a plurality. Even then they will have to manufacture votes for Biden to get him to 40% or so.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/tone-deaf-talking-points

you can blame fauci and birx and the NIH and CDC if you like, but in the end, the buck stopped on one desk.

teflon don.

it was his watch and he cheer led for this. he was not reluctant. he was crowing.




nor did he support “leaving it to the states.”




he is not repentant. he still claims this was a success and plays “the hero” for having sold us down the river and upended our lives and livelihoods. he brags about it. ...

there’s no question that biden made it far worse, impeded recovery, and engaged in all new manner of assaults on liberty, but like FDR after hoover, he was not the one who got the ball rolling, he just accelerated one already on the move.

these choices killed an incredible number of people.

Patrick says

he is not repentant. he still claims this was a success and plays “the hero” for having sold us down the river and upended our lives and livelihoods. he brags about it. ...

And Trump was too cowardly to debate people like DeSantis during the primaries because he knows he would have gotten his clock cleaned on the COVID debate. Same deal with Trump helping to empty our prisons creating the massive crime wave we have seen in recent years.

But never worry, the MAGA online grifters are more than happy to change their tune on COVID to defend Trump just like they all turned on a dime to defend Bud Light, Disney and Tik Tok.........

Whatever is in Trump's financial or personal interests will be the new "cause" for MAGA.

socal2 says

Whatever is in Trump's financial or personal interests will be the new "cause" for MAGA.

I don't know what Trump will do, but I know what anybody in either the establishment of the democratic or republican establishment will do, nothing for the country.


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At worst, Trump will be as bad as anybody else.

richwicks says

At worst, Trump will be as bad as anybody else.

I think DeSantis would have been much better based on the history of his actions and would not roll over (like Trump has repeatedly) on the important cultural issues.

But all the former online Liberals who are now MAGA grifters and influencers told us all that "Meatball Ron" was just another JEB! Global-homo who is bought and paid for by his big donors. So we were told we had to stick with a guy like Trump who supposedly couldn't be bought.

Well - that is clearly not the case.

Based on the actions of these two, I like DeSantis' donors much better than Trump's.

socal2 says

I think DeSantis would have been much better based on the history of his actions and would not roll over (like Trump has repeatedly) on the important cultural issues.

Trump would have steam rolled him. Vivek, some Indian American guy made him and others look like fools. He upended the entire RNC. I don't give a fuck about Disney and what Desantis supposedly did. Disney shot itself in the foot, they didn't need Ron's help doing it. So i'm confused by that logic.

To win you need national presence. Desantis is no different than Gavin Newsom. Neither could win the midwest, that's for sure. Neither could win swing states. Trump is already smashing Biden in the polling. Desantis will have his time potentially. Now is not it. Trump will win. Ron did the right thing and stepped out and saved face after Iowa. Nikki Haley was a dip shit. Her future is toast outside of being a commentator for some network.

Be happy he lost. He's not ready. Trump barely campaigned and torched everyone. Vivek is probably your biggest worry if you like Desantis.

socal2 says

richwicks says

At worst, Trump will be as bad as anybody else.

I think DeSantis would have been much better based on the history of his actions and would not roll over (like Trump has repeatedly) on the important cultural issues.

DeSantis is an ex JAG lawyer that worked at Guantanamo and helped cover up the torture program from that. No information was gained from that, it was just to set a precedent to torture Americans.

There ARE no important cultural issues. They are all fake. OK, so there's the MINOR inconvenience that you have to check a bathroom for your daughter or have your wife do it now, I bet you've never met a transgender before, I doubt your kids deal with the gay flags in the classroom either. That's the big "controversy" that's consuming the national debate. Like gay wedding cakes once did.

You see, if you turn off your FUCKING TV all this nonsense goes away. Destroy your television.

socal2 says

But all the former online Liberals who are now MAGA grifters and influencers told us all that "Meatball Ron" was just another JEB! Global-homo who is bought and paid for by his big donors.

They are most likely correct. Jeb Bush had a "humble foreign policy" BEFORE he was elected. Forget about that?


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He sounds reasonable! If he had actually done that, I would have probably not been impressed with him, but I wouldn't think the mother fucker should be hung from a lamp post, as he should be. That mother fucker put us on a 20 year course of endless war. I hope he burns in Hell.

socal2 says

So we were told we had to stick with a guy like Trump who supposedly couldn't be bought.

Well - that is clearly not the case.

Based on the actions of these two, I like DeSantis' donors much better than Trump's.

Look, at this point I'd vote for anybody on this board over any asshole the propaganda box has ever said anything nice about. There's people I STRONGLY disagree with here, but they couldn't be worse than another of the sociopathic assholes that have been made president in my adult lifetime except for Trump.

The most important thing is to change is foreign policy, that's what is destroying this country as we argue about trivial bullshit like if some asshole with balls can use the woman's bathroom, because they are like 0.001% of the population and this is worthy of your notice. You remember how you had all these Karen frauds claiming they knew LOTS OF PEOPLE that died of the Rona? They were full of shit, they were confusing what they saw on TeeeVeeee with actual life.

The REASON we have these BULLSHIT culture issues is just to get the dumb fucking cows and sheep arguing about something 99.99% of the country doesn't deal with, and really doesn't fucking care about. That was the "abortion issue". Roe v. Wade is done, what's changed about abortion? We stopped arguing about it. Doesn't matter what you THINK about it, because you don't really think about it at all, you FEEL about it and when emotion is involved, the brain leaves the door.

You know that stupid song "Won't Get Fooled Again" by the Who? I took that to heart about the Vietnam war. So far it's been Geneva, Desert Storm, Bosnia, Aghanistan, Iraq II, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and Ukraine, and it's ALWAYS been Israel, constantly Israel. Our most precious possession of unending headaches made by a mere 10 million assholes. But what about Gender Queer - the book? I have the book in electronic format, the dumb author posted it on their website page by page, and I scraped it. Want a copy? I got through a few pages, but trust me, no kid is going to read that, other than to turn to the page where you see a girl with a dildo strapped on getting a "blowjob" of her dildo.

We'll get fooled again, and again, and again, and again, and again, until the nation implodes.