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So, the Dems are committed to making our society increasingly dangerous to the ordinary citizen, while making police protection non-existent, while taking away all guns that could be used for self protection.

Makes perfect sense.

Ceffer says

So, the Dems are committed to making our society increasingly dangerous to the ordinary citizen, while making police protection non-existent, while taking away all guns that could be used for self protection.

Makes perfect sense.

Add to that the ACLU making sure the crazies stay on the streets and not at institutions.

marcus says

I can't believe there is someone reading my comments in this thread dense enough to assume that I was advocating taking away everyone's guns.

You are not. Government eventually will take away private citizen's guns if we continue going down that slope.
It is already much more difficult to get a gun than it was in 1960's and before, when, by the way, murder rates were lower than now. When will there be enough restrictions on gun purchases? I'd guess only when guns will be outlawed and only Masters of Universe will be able to protect themselves by hiring armed goons.

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/time-machine-get-a-load-of-these-vintage-gun-ads/

HeadSet says

Add to that the ACLU making sure the crazies stay on the streets and not at institutions.

Could have fooled me. I thought all the crazy people no longer in institutions, going back to the Reagan era, was becasue the govt didn't want to pay for it.

Obviously it should be not a simple thing to keep someone in an institution against their will. But we don't even institutionalize crazy people that know they can't function in society and would gladly be institutionalized. Although we keep prison as an option.

marcus says

Quigley says

Look, Marcus

Wtf ?

I don't want or expect guns to become illegal any time soon. And it's true that criminals would have guns even if many years ago we had done what we should have with laws for much better background checks, regulation of military assault rifles, silencers, devices that turn rifles in to automatic (almost machine gun), high tech safety features such as hand guns that only work for their owner and as many other sensible regulations as agreed upon by people other than the manufacturers.

Quigley says

Unless you’re truly dense enough

I can't believe there is someone reading my comments in this thread dense enough to assume that I was advocating taking away everyone's guns.

What the hell man. Get a grip !

Marcus, you get a grip. Shall not be infringed has been infringed with every single gun law passed. Literally 10,000s of times. Go after the media, Hollywood, politicians (they are the ones ratcheting up the hate) and the drug industry.

marcus says

HonkpilledMaster says

Rich Manhattanite from Kreative Klass lectures America

All the informed gun owners know that the NRA is nothing like what it was back in the day. This is accepted fact by everyone:

marcus says

The NRA is a MUCH different organization than it was 50 years ago. Now it's first and foremost a lobby for gun manufacturers.

Who cares if they lobby for gun manufacturers? If they're not protected, noone is.

I don't think decentralizing back to an Early Republic will work when it comes to the Xenophile/Transform America Fundamentally to Social Democracy vs. Traditional Western Liberal Nationalist Values - though I support the idea fairly strongly.

The Constitution has the Federal Government responsible for immigration.

CA, NY, IL love immigration, either legal or illegal, and a growing number want the borders totally open.

So we'll have the end game of Diversity - there's no longer one unifying overarching culture/belief system, so we'll have to fight it out, either politically or militarily.

Either is a win for Libertarian/Conservatives, for the simple reason that demographics favor Conservatives (liberals are childless) and so does gun ownership/military experience.

The few Progs that have military experience were mostly JAGs or Clerks. The Conservatives were Armored Cav and Special Forces and Infantry.

marcus says

IF congress implemented laws and or regulations based on what the people wanted, we would already have some form of universal healthcare.

And if Henry Ford implemented transportation based on what people said they wanted at the time, we'd all be riding (slightly) faster horses. That would be terrible. People are generally poorly informed, and groups of people often make poor decisions as a group. That is why we have a constitution that is supposed to overrule some of the "shortsightedness of the masses."

But if we're implementing "what the people want"...
• We wouldn't be paying 3x to 5x for drugs compared to the rest of the world.
• We would have law and order in the immigration system, where law-breakers are deported without exception.
• Immigration would be like most other 1st world systems, where there is an application process and immigration is based on merit. Having relatives in the country confers very little merit (i.e.: no chain migration). We would select only immigrations that are immediately and obviously helpful to the country.
• We wouldn't give any welfare or other services to people in the country illegally.
• Like all other 1st world countries (except Canada), we wouldn't give anchor babies citizenship. (Note that Canada doesn't have a border with a 3rd world country.)
• Police would be trustworthy and would never make a mistake. If you phone 911 during a breakin, they will arrive on the scene faster than you can ready your own firearm.

OccasionalCortex says

If America is to remain intact, it will HAVE to adopt a 'live & let live' attitude between the States. This means massive decentralization of issues/power over things we can not agree on a national level. And that includes issues that were previously 'decided' in the past to be national issues.

Does this mean that states should be allowed to control "immigration" from other states? Otherwise, you'll have states where the culture leads to enormous population and that population will spill into states where the culture leads to modest population and overrun them.

d6rB says

There was a fistfight on street near where I work, police was called, and they arrived 4 hours later.

Side topic to the main point of the thread. This is a poor litmus test of police performance. A cop once wrote, "The speed at which an officer rushes to a "fight" call is inversely proportional to the amount of time he's been on the force."

marcus says

Oh, looky here: marcus is advocating restricting someone's rights based on their religion.

Of course we are a republic. But sometimes we do what is popular and wanted by the public.

Patrick says

That survey shows the vast majority of Americans who own guns are not members of the NRA and that most favor some form of gun control.

SunnyvaleCA says

People are generally poorly informed, and groups of people often make poor decisions as a group. That is why we have a constitution that is supposed to overrule some of the "shortsightedness of the masses."

d6rB says

That type of thinking is present, but most of people I know got guns for home protection because police is unreliable and more concerned about visiting donut shops and retiring at 45 to collect pension for 40 years. They will not come unless someone is shot. There was a fistfight on street near where I work, police was called, and they arrived 4 hours later.

In Baltimore City they would not bother to show up at all. Are you sure that the 4 hours later part wasn't just a coincidence?

Automan Empire says

Side topic to the main point of the thread. This is a poor litmus test of police performance. A cop once wrote, "The speed at which an officer rushes to a "fight" call is inversely proportional to the amount of time he's been on the force."

Police response times are directly related to the main point of thread. Police is not there to serve and protect a regular citizen, they serve and protect their pensions and assorted corporations (banks, etc as Jazz mentioned).

They do not bother to show up and investigate thefts, if they catch thieves it is more by a stroke of luck, and even murder clearance rate in big cities is abysmally low.

A Hispanic friend of mine, who lives in barrio, has youth group members from Salva Maratrucha shooting automatic weapons in air in his neighborhood. He called police several times, and they never came. Third or forth time when he called the response was "it is you again, Mr. Martinez - what do you want?".

zzyzzx says

In Baltimore City they would not bother to show up at all. Are you sure that the 4 hours later part wasn't just a coincidence?

They went into business next door (from which call was made) and took statement.

d6rB says

A Hispanic friend of mine, who lives in barrio, has youth group members from Salva Maratrucha shooting automatic weapons in air in his neighborhood.

This needs to be banned! Automatic weapons and criminal gangs should be illegal!

I think that there are about 4 kinds of people when it comes to guns; 1.own guns to shoot for fun at ranges 2. collect guns to the level of an arsenal 3. hunters 4. those appalled by guns entirely.

There is some overlap and some of the people from 1-3 like the idea of a concealed carry gun for self defense. Most of the guys I have met who shoot at a local gun club are professionals and not generally hunters. They all are annoyed that politicians think they're dangerous to society.

Guys who become obsessed with them tend to collect them since it's cheaper than collecting art or cars, or expensive watches. They modify them to perform better and sometimes get in contests. The funny thing is at the gun ranges/stores they know that once you get the bug you want more than one gun.

I got into shooting because my friend did it and his brother and I went along for fun. After a while I thought I should have one instead of borrowing the one I was shooting since I imagined the owner would be happier. Soon the three of us would go shooting skeet and pistols over at Los Altos.

My father was a die hard liberal and when I later learned he had brought back a Beretta from Europe after WWII I though it was funny; he liked having it but never told any of us he owned a handgun. He gave it to his handyman when he sold his house and moved to Florida. I laughed and said "Now you can buy a good one legally and not hide it."

Florida was a bit weird because they would have a full on sniper rifle for sale at the small gun store for $8000; I didn't know where you could even safely shoot that thing with such a long range, a stray bullet would go forever.

I think gun sales should be restricted to people over 25 and not on psych medications or with a rap sheet.

It bothers me you can't protect yourself in several states, California technically allows concealed carry but it is at the discretion of the county sheriff and many don't give them.

jazz_music says

WHAT NEXT? BARF CULTURE?

"Wax my Lady Balls, you Bigot!"

spam

Like Free Speech Zones on State Funded Campuses...

d6rB says

They do not bother to show up and investigate thefts, if they catch thieves it is more by a stroke of luck, and even murder clearance rate in big cities is abysmally low.

D6rB, you live in California?

Lots of Californians saying that's a problem.

Police won't even come out for people blaring Spanish Gangster Cowboy music at 160dB in the Suburbs at 3AM despite multiple calls

HEYYOU says

There is only one side to guns.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

It's too complex for all Americans.
They can't understand one of our most concise simplest rights.
I'm forming a militia,the only regulation is that one must own a gun.Therefore no Rep/Con state can place any regulations on my ownership of "arms". DONE!
Fucking Republicans & Democrats think they can add any infringements they choose. They even want to have restrictions on what can be said in & on locations of their choosing.

Not one American is a psychic or time traveler. No one has a clue to what the founding fathers were thinking or saying in private discussions of the 2nd Amendment. No reports by the media of the day twisted or left anything ,they knew,out.
They all had an agenda. Bet some said: "Fuck no ! No one is taking my guns."

Fact - There are 126,000,0...

What the hell? This sounds like you flip flopped.

d6rB says

They do not bother to show up and investigate thefts, if they catch thieves it is more by a stroke of luck, and even murder clearance

I read a couple of years ago San Francisco is a great place to commit a murder. It may not have the highest murder rate, but it has an abysmal clearance rate for the murders it does have. Guess all those Sherlock detectives you see in police procedural fiction didn't apply in good ole SF.

Also, if you DO get caught for murder, your chances of getting off or with limited punishments are superior due to the deluded nature of the LibbyFuck populace comprising the juries and the intensive lobbying of the rapacious Bar, with SJW lawyers and judges to boot.

Also, if you DO get caught for murder, your chances of getting off or with limited punishments are superior due to the deluded nature of the LibbyFuck populace comprising the juries and the intensive lobbying of the rapacious Bar, with SJW lawyers and judges to boot.

Yes, like that illegal with an illegal gun that killed that woman on the dock.

marcus says

Let's have a ban on fully automatic weapons that can shoot 600 rounds per minute. Oh, wait, we already do.

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Authorities in North Carolina say a customer armed with a concealed gun shot two robbery suspects at a 7-Eleven, killing one and injuring the other.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police spokeswoman Cindy A. Wallace said in a news release that two suspects held the customer at gunpoint and took his wallet early Thursday morning.

That's when they say the customer "perceived a lethal threat" and pulled out his gun and shot the suspects.

News outlets report that 16-year-old Qwanterrius Stafford died at a hospital.

Police charged 17-year-old Brenna Harris with attempted robbery with a dangerous weapon, conspiracy to commit armed robbery and armed robbery from person.

North Carolina automatically charges teens 16 and older as adults.

News outlets report the customer will not face charges.

https://www.wral.com/customer-with-concealed-gun-kills-7-eleven-robbery-suspect/18559463/

marcus says

Is that you sitting on the ground Marcus? Admit it, it is right?

jazz_music says

Too bad they weren't in El Paso.

Very, very unfortunate...if El Paso gunman would have been shot, we would have one idiot less in this world AND massive $$$avings because he would not need to be incarcerated for 10 years before he is executed.

d6rB says

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Authorities in North Carolina say a customer armed with a concealed gun shot two robbery suspects at a 7-Eleven, killing one and injuring the other.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police spokeswoman Cindy A. Wallace said in a news release that two suspects held the customer at gunpoint and took his wallet early Thursday morning.

That's when they say the customer "perceived a lethal threat" and pulled out his gun and shot the suspects.

News outlets report that 16-year-old Qwanterrius Stafford died at a hospital.

Police charged 17-year-old Brenna Harris with attempted robbery with a dangerous weapon, conspiracy to commit armed robbery and armed robbery from person.

North Carolina automatically charges teens 16 and older as adults.

News outlets report the customer will not face charges.

https://www.wral.com/customer-with-concealed-gu...

Why should the customer face charges? They should get a medal instead for 2 less low life thugs in this world.

I think what we need to do is require that all of those evil scary AR-15s and ammo get traded in for AR-10s and an equivalent number of rounds. Then the guns won't be so powerful because the numbers are lower.

mell says

News outlets report that 16-year-old Qwanterrius Stafford

If Obama had a son.