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Patrick says

Greatly improved relations between US and N. Korea, and N. and S. Korea too

Moon, Xi and Kim

Patrick says

ISIS-held territory wiped out

Kind of sort of but not really and they will be back in a big way

Patrick says

Confronted China and other countries about unfair trade deals which were sucking jobs out of the US

And imposed tar riffs which the American consumers are paying for

Patrick says

Overall unemployment lowest in nearly 50 years

Labor force participation rate ?

What kind of jobs, minimum wage, benefits included, living wages ?

Patrick says

Signed executive order requiring universities to protect free speech on campus or lose federal funding
* Signed order requiring hospitals to publish price lists

Which they are fighting and doing at a turtle's pace

Patrick says

Tax cuts for the large majority of US citizens

The Middle Class cuts are not permanent and phase out after 10 years but not for the top tier

Patrick says

hey are objective facts.

Can you please post some objective facts from sources other than right and far right biased sources ?

Quigley says

reduce taxes in response?
Fuck no.

Hahaha.. Yeah.. I don't know where it went but I recall hearing something last year on the radio that some CA state politicians wanted to 'claw back', benefits from our FED tax reductions.

just_dregalicious says

Hahaha.. Yeah.. I don't know where it went but I recall hearing something last year on the radio that some CA state politicians wanted to 'claw back', benefits from our FED tax reductions.

Fuck all Democrat slavers.

personal

We all remember how tough Obama and the Democratic Congress were in 2008-2009 when it came to holding those banks accountable.

I was very skeptical when he got elected but he’s been amazing. Easily the greatest president of my lifetime.

Kakistocracy says

Patrick says

hey are objective facts.

Can you please post some objective facts from sources other than right and far right biased sources ?

@Kakistocracy which of the facts I listed in the OP can even be debated? They are all very easily looked up and confirmed.

They still do.

LA is already arming to add another parcel tax.

just_dregalicious says

Quigley says

reduce taxes in response?
Fuck no.

Hahaha.. Yeah.. I don't know where it went but I recall hearing something last year on the radio that some CA state politicians wanted to 'claw back', benefits from our FED tax reductions.

Patrick says

None of these are even debatable. They are objective facts.

Keep lying to yourself. We get it. You voted for TRump.

His Tax and tarrif policies are a disaster. How can running record deficits in supposedly great economic times be good ? DO you understand that most spending is somewhat fixed and not tied to the economy ? What happens when we have a recession and revenues drop and govt spending stays close to the same ? You better hope a democrat in in power so you dishonest hypocrites ("deficits are VERY VERY bad") can pin int on him or her. I know, you think that would be pretty cool. I say most or republicans (especially Trump Cucks) are totally dishonest scumbags.

TRump has gutted environmental regulations and more or less everything Obama did. The magnitude of his undoing of what the previous President did is unprecedented and it's a massively polarizing political move. IT's like some kind of assinine throwing down of the gauntlet. TRump will be seen as the most polarizing President ever. You may be jumping with glee that he totally spits on Obama's legacy.

Globally Trump is the laughing stock of the world and our image and reputation has taken a profoundly MASSIVE drop. It's a testament to the bubbles we live in now, that anyone can in their heart of hearts actually believe that Trump has been good for this country.

How do you square all the lies told about deficits when Obama was President ? Back then deficits were bad (I mean really scary terrible) even in deep recessions.

Dramatic increase in Manufacturing ? Give me a break, it's a smaller percentage of our economy than it was in 2011. The gross manufacturing jobs are no where near where they were in 2008

There are honest and intelligent conservatives.

Patrick says

@Kakistocracy which of the facts I listed in the OP can even be debated? They are all very easily looked up and confirmed.

@Patrick - They are for the most part meaningless talking points lacking depth and detail which when digging further reveals the hollowness of them.

None of them really demonstrate any leadership (capable or otherwise) on the part of Trump.

In the 24 months the GOP had control of the White House, Senate and House the only meaningful piece of legislation to come out of that was the tax bill to appease the owners of the country as well as the elected officials. That would not have happened if the midterms were not in play.

Toss in a couple of executive orders - what else ?

How about some defining moments of "true leadership" in all of the national crisis moments we are having which also seem to fade from the headlines 3 or 4 days after being declared while the next distraction is unveiled.

No Health Care Reform, No Infrastructure Package, No Wall - nothing that really benefits the middle and lower middle class voters that put him in office.

Point # 1. The U.S. has not been engaged in an “official” declared war in decades. We are still aiding and abetting the House of Saud in Yemen, dying to get involved in Iran, possibly Venezuela. He has brought on board Elliot Abrams on John Bolton. The military extractions are not going as planned.

Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and lack of an "official" new war. We have "police" actions etc. all over, getting deeper into shit in Africa and god only knows what hasn't been uncovered.

Point # 2. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the stock market performance. By the way if he is responsible for the upswing, then he takes responsibility for the downswing - not the Fed, not China, not Mncuhin, - Trump owns it both ways or no way.

Point # 3. The “Tax Cuts and Jobs Act” was hammered out by Ryan and McConnell in particular, especially the latter. Other than uttering threats show a direct causal relationship between Trump’s “leadership” and passage of the legislation.

Point #4. Define “dramatic increase” - The “Tax Cuts and Jobs Act” has enabled rounds of stock buybacks, not exactly been the windfall of jobs coming back to the country as in the advertising.

Other than uttering threats, show a direct causal relationship between Trump’s “leadership” and jobs coming back that in a lot of cases would have come back regardless because it is getting cheaper to make some things here now when factoring in wages in China and the supply chain costs to get the stuff back here.

Point #5. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the length of positive economic job growth streak that may or may not have occurred with or without him.

Point #6. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the lower black unemployment rate which by the way still is not worth a shit but may or may not have occurred with or without him.

Point #7. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the lower overall unemployment rate that still cleverly omits the job participation rate. Just like Obama those numbers are highly questionable.

Point #8. What has this been replaced with? How is the replacement better and why?

Point #9. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and goings on over on the Korean Peninsula. Spin it as you may, Xi, Moon and Kim deserve the credit, Trump showed up for a photo op – twice.

Point #10. “Confronted” China and other countries about unfair trade deals which were sucking jobs out of the US – they are still doing it, the trade deal with China is a constantly moving deadline/set of goalposts, has not “resolved” much of anything with anyone, stuck the American consumers with the cost of tariffs, proved Trade Wars are Not Easy to Win, - still waiting for the adult leader to show up.

Confronting is one thing – achieving measurable results is another (still waiting) and with the 2020 elections coming up be careful – this is a photo op type of leader

Point #11. Kind of sort of in a roundabout way of looking at things but not really. Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi is still around, nice headlines but meaningless since we will be doing this again really soon. The Mission Accomplished banner has been hung up prematurely again.

Points #12 & 13. Nice headlines, the base sucks it up but no real teeth or enforcement mechanisms while point #12 I covered here: http://patrick.net/post/1323295?offset=0#comment-1579869

Once again – the sources used to gather the facts are not “objective” unless one considers heavy bias to the left or right “objective” but they are nice talking points to fire up the base and make the inept look capable.

Kakistocracy says

@Patrick - They are for the most part meaningless talking points lacking depth and detail which when digging further reveals the hollowness of them.

None of them really demonstrate any leadership (capable or otherwise) on the part of Trump.

I can easily accept Trump won, as a matter of fact as I have stated many times before better Trump in the White House than Pence. With Trump you have a daily clown show, with Pence something would actually get done and it wouldn't be good things that get done either.

marcus says

This is much worse than Watergate. Just wait Marcus, you'll find the cheese eventually.

Booger says

Kakistocracy says

@Patrick - They are for the most part meaningless talking points lacking depth and detail which when digging further reveals the hollowness of them.

None of them really demonstrate any leadership (capable or otherwise) on the part of Trump.

That picture of Kak is 50 years old

Great memes etc. however I see no one has attempted to address line item by line item my response in comment 36.

Better let Patrick do the heavy lifting, he is more capable.

Kakistocracy says

Great memes etc. however I see no one has attempted to address line item by line item my response in comment 36.

Better let Patrick do the heavy lifting, he is more capable.

Perhaps try to craft more pointed analysis.

Your wall of dribble reads like "Sure, great things are happening with Trump, but prove those good things are functions of Trump alone"

Your post is peppered w selective ignorance (i.e. ignoring Trump's obvious leadership in ending and deescalating conflicts), uniquely limited definitions of words (prove Trumps leadership resulted in legislation, lol), and unprovable gauntlet throws (prove Trump is directly responsible for low black unemplotment, lol).

Theres nothing to respond to, as there is no point and/or counter point.

Nothing in your response reads like a genuine discussion. Try shortening your posts and being more concise w your thoughts. I'm sure others will engage w you if you do that

CBOEtrader says

Theres nothing to respond to, as there is no point and/or counter point.

Unable to respond so resort to one of the three Ps - attack the person. There is still Position and Politics left to go.

Want to try for disclosing the penalties and fees for getting out of an Annuity ?

CBOEtrader says

ignoring Trump's obvious leadership in ending and deescalating conflicts

Demonstrate some verifiable examples - like JFK with the Cuban Missile Crisis, FDR during the depression...

Better leave all of the lifting, light and heavy to Patrick and stick to attacks and memes

Kakistocracy says

Unable to respond so resort to one of the three Ps - attack the person.

Calling your argument a wall of dribble is a criticism of your points, not yourself. Learn how to English bro

Kakistocracy says

Want to try for disclosing the penalties and fees for getting out of an Annuity ?

Sure. An annuity is a tool. Like any tool, you have to know where/when/how to use it. Penalties vary wildly per product. Remember these are contracts. Your side of the contract is to keep your capital invested until the annuitazion date, at which time you can take all your capital plus interest out or annuitize that capital pool. The annuitization date can be today or 14 years into the future. If you choose to remove your capital during the accumulation phase you will pay a penalty, commensurate with the amount of time left in your accumulation phase (roughly 1% per year left).

Annuities arent about liquidity. Annuities are about protection against market downturns and a guaranteed lifetime income. If you lack liquidity, an annuity isnt the right tool for you. If you are swinging for the fences to grow your retirement fund, an annuity isnt the right tool for you.

If you want to protect against a market downturn and/or guarantee income for life, while accumulating at a modest 3x of a CD rate than an annuity is right for you.

Kakistocracy says

Kakistocracy ignore (6) 2019 Mar 24, 1:19am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag

Wow..

Someone is having a tough time sleeping at night, if they are up at 4:19 AM posting on Patnet. They must be totally worried about the Mueller report, that will show how deep the TDS runs.

Kakistocracy says

Better leave all of the lifting....,

....To the ones who have clear mind.

Kakistocracy says

CBOEtrader says

ignoring Trump's obvious leadership in ending and deescalating conflicts

Demonstrate some verifiable examples - like JFK with the Cuban Missile Crisis, FDR during the depression...

Syria, NK, and Russia for starters.

Kakistocracy says

I can easily accept Trump won,

Ahhhh... Hah Ha ha Ha Ha Ha ha ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha

I think I just peed in my pants.....

CBOEtrader says

Your wall of dribble reads like "Sure, great things are happening with Trump, but prove those good things are functions of Trump alone"

Exactly. For every one of the objectively good results of the Trump administration, he'd be blamed if it had gone badly, but gets no credit for things going well. The mainstream press is disingenuous in exactly the same way.

The inevitable conclusion from such consistent and willful denial of reality must be that there is little or no actual reasoning going on, only attempts at justification for hating Trump.

Kakistocracy says

We have "police" actions etc. all over, getting deeper into shit in Africa and god only knows what hasn't been uncovered.

Oh come on. "Deeper into shit" in Africa? Because of Trump?

"god only knows what hasn't been uncovered"? You're blaming him for things you cannot even name?

Things are objectively going very well and we're more than two years into Trump's administration. Why shouldn't Trump get credit? At the very least, he didn't fuck up the economy or get us into any new war. That alone should show that all the predictions of disaster were wrong.

Patrick says

At the very least, he didn't fuck up the economy

Just becasue the effects of his terrible policies haven't kicked in YET doesn't make it any harder to see how bad they are or the way in which they are likely to kick in.

Republicans cried about the scary deficits in the early years of OBama - when they were due to a soft economy, and now with similar deficits in a strong economy: "no problem - nothing to see here."

And I 100% guarantee that when this disaster in the making comes home to roost, if there's away for the right wing media machine to sell all the gullible Trump Cucks that it's the democrats fault, they will. And it will work REALLY WELL. You guys will all buy it and be reselling it 24/7.

Patrick says

At the very least, he didn't fuck up the economy

Coming soon. Bigly.

Once again the supporters have chosen to attack the commenter with the wall of dribble comment etc. when the real dribble is the supposedly non debatable facts that are sourced from heavily biased right of aisle entities.

13 line items and not one decent rebuttal or even any remote causal connection to Potus and the non debatable result.

Just like Potus - attack the messenger and deflect.

There is no way that congress will pass any meaningful legislation, precisely because they want to deny the President a chance to sign any meaningful legislation. Why? Because it’s good for the country to get nothing done? No, because it gives Democrats ammunition in their four year struggle to get the Presidency back.
Guess what tho. I don’t think most Americans are fooled. It’s easy to see all the times that Trump has reached out to Democrats hoping for compromise and cooperation. It’s also easy to see that they always reject such moderate goals in their hate and pique. Democrats have literally done nothing but attempt to #resist the fact that Trump is the POTUS.
Trump didn’t propose the budgets that passed, nor the tax cut. He owns little of what happened in Congress because both sides cut him out of the process. He’s down to either accepting whatever they produce or using his veto and pissing everyone off even more.

That’s why all the criticisms of Trump not getting his agenda done are hollow. No President ever has had this much head wind to even being a President let alone accomplishing anything.

Quigley says

There is no way that congress will pass any meaningful legislation, precisely because they want to deny the President a chance to sign any meaningful legislation. Why? Because it’s good for the country to get nothing done? No, because it gives Democrats ammunition in their four year struggle to get the Presidency back.

How do to explain the GOP control of everything from January 2017 to January 2019 ?

The GOP proved (again) they can not govern just to give the Democrats talking points going into the 2020 elections ?

No wall, no health care reform, no infrastructure, nonothing - just a tax giveaway to the wealthy.

24 months of no results and now it is the fault of the Democrats ? OMFG

When the China trade deal collapses - who is going to get blamed for that ?

CNN does terrible things to the minds on the left. They fail to see reason, they fail to see reality, all they can do is TDS like a crazy person at the sky.

Sure, belonging to a party is inherently partisan. It's the definition of the word.

And yet, there are many solid facts on the ground which look pretty damn good at the moment. At some point, it gets impossible to deny reality.

Remember how the world was going to explode in flames the moment Trump took office?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/upshot/would-a-trump-presidency-mean-economic-disaster-lets-take-a-look.html

Jun 22, 2016 · Let's Take a Look. If Donald Trump were elected president and put in his stated policies, the United States would experience a lengthy recession, enormous job losses, much higher interest rates and diminished long-term growth prospects.