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Kakistocracy says

The bullet points sound just like the U.S. in action with a few name changes

Right because we are in a world dominated by the US. And the US is a country that has values like respecting human rights for example.

Kakistocracy says

You can't do all this and hope to continue to profit from the rest of the world like nothing happened

The US loses something like $500 billions in trade per year to the rest of the world. Maybe you are talking of your own standard of living here. And you seem consumed by shame.

However this is besides the point: The point is this means at least confrontation, if not war.

You may get your wish and stop "profiting from the rest of the world".

Heraclitusstudent says

the US is a country that has values like respecting human rights

We do ?

Not consumed by anything other than boredom which is why I am here.

Heraclitusstudent says

The point is this means at least confrontation, if not war

This means we have rested on our laurels again for too long and are pissed now someone has stolen our thunder and we have no way to catch up - none, they are too far ahead now so we create distractions, manufacture outrage and those really spiffy buildings in the SouthBay while being hopelessly addicted to Facebook etc. we make apps and they make stuff that has value.

Are we going to confront them over their hypersonic weapons too ? Wonder where they stole that from ? The Russians...

Can we worry about something like this which is actually worth worrying about and wonder why we are building the F-35 which is a total POS

Russia’s nuclear-capable underwater drone to be deployed

Russian President Vladimir Putin unveiled the development of Poseidon last March. It is said the unmanned submersible vehicle can carry a two-megaton nuclear warhead and is capable of destroying enemy aircraft carriers and infrastructure facilities.

It would be able to travel at a very high speed and an operational depth of up to 1,000 meters, making its interception very difficult.

http://www.atimes.com/article/russias-nuclear-capable-underwater-drone-to-be-deployed/

Everywhere you look, we are falling behind but we can sure spend like there is no tomorrow on stuff that looks great but doesn't work worth a fuck including our latest aircraft carrier delivered sans working elevators to get the bombs etc. from below deck up to the flight deck and a launch system that doesn't work. No arms, no planes flying - no problem.

We gonna blame all that on the Chinese too ?

Kakistocracy says

Russian President Vladimir Putin unveiled the development of Poseidon last March. It is said the unmanned submersible vehicle can carry a two-megaton nuclear warhead and is capable of destroying enemy aircraft carriers and infrastructure facilities.

It's vaporware. They are trying to pull "Star Wars" trick. They have no capacity to build any of wunderwaffe they announce seemingly every month (not to mention some of it clashes with fucking physics). Heck, their once bulletproof space launch capabilities are degrading right in front of our eyes.

Kakistocracy says

Heraclitusstudent says

the US is a country that has values like respecting human rights

We do ?

I know: it's not clear. After all China, Russia, and even Iran or North Korea are led by decent people who only want what's best for their people. People there enjoy a variety of opinions, are free to discuss anything, and the government generally respects their rights.
It's totally not clear that our system is better.
They are not affected by bigotry, racism, sectarianism, or greed the way we are.
They glide a level above our thoughtlessness.
And so there is no reason to be afraid of them leading the world.

Kakistocracy says

This means we have rested on our laurels again for too long and are pissed now someone has stolen our thunder and we have no way to catch up - none, they are too far ahead now so we create distractions

And we are not 1.4B.
They are ~4 times more numerous. Doing more than us as always be a low bar for them.

DASKAA says

They have no capacity to build any of wunderwaffe

And we have no capacity to build anything that works correctly or that comes in on or under budget. i.e. F-35, USS Gerald Ford, Air Force Refueling Tankers, Base Housing....

Say what u want - we have existed on hubris for a long time now. Might be wise to acknowledge the old grey mare is no where near where we used to be and we are well past peak empire

Heraclitusstudent says

After all China, Russia, and even Iran or North Korea are led by decent people who only want what's best for their people. People there enjoy a variety of opinions, are free to discuss anything, and the government generally respects their rights.

Sounds just like the U.S. again but they are still learning how to do Regime Change from us so at least we still have that to lay claim to.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I guess Soros must be really worried about all that Google data collection and all the Social Media bans of widely held center-right views, eh?

lol

Soros worries about state manipulation. That’s like Jeffrey Dahmer being worried about people biting their finger nails.

Soros the fucking commie asshole, don’t care what he thinks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/huawei-china-us-5g-technology.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei-tech/u-s-to-announce-criminal-charges-related-to-chinas-huawei-sources-idUSKCN1PM2BD

Tech war:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-28/u-s-planning-to-announce-criminal-charges-related-to-huawei-jrgrda0q

In addition to the two phone companies I cited in comment #11, a massive Chinese phone company that outsmarted Apple in China and India is now heading to the West.

The Chinese smartphone brand Oppo is the fifth-biggest phone maker in the world and has outsmarted Apple in China and India.

Oppo is largely unknown in the West, but it has teased an official UK launch on Tuesday.

It's part of a family of other massive smartphone brands such as Vivo and OnePlus.

Oppo will find it tough to break in to the UK market, but it does have a reputation for adding cool new features to its smartphones.

Apple may be the defining smartphone company in the West, but there's a crop of Asian brands that have outsmarted the California giant outside the US and Europe.

Few Westerners will have heard of the Chinese smartphone maker Oppo, but it's one of the most recognizable brands in Asia and bigger than Apple in both India and China.

It's the fifth-largest smartphone maker in the world, despite having almost no presence in the US or Europe, accounting for about 8% of all global phone sales. Only Apple, Samsung, Huawei, and Xiaomi are bigger worldwide.

https://www.businessinsider.com/oppo-uk-launch-outsmarted-apple-india-china-2019-1

Is the U.S. going to arrest company executives from every foreign company that is preparing to take away what little edge we have left in the tech sector ?

A very different angle.
"In America we have this expression 'the pot calling the kettle black'. What we have here is George Soros trying to protect us from China, which is great, but who's going to protect us from George Soros?"

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201901281071860776-soros-china-xi-jinping-china/

Sputnik news? Really?
I'm sure Russian propagandists really care about protecting us from Soros.
Different angle indeed.

Kakistocracy says

The Chinese smartphone brand Oppo is the fifth-biggest phone maker in the world and has outsmarted Apple in China and India.

"Outsmarted" as in... copied and did the same more cheaply, probably with state subsidies.

The comments were from Eugene Michael Jones is an American writer, former professor, media commentator and the current editor of Culture Wars magazine.
You should try reading media from both sides.
Soon it may no longer be an option. :-(
Be it NYT or Breitbart, Aljeera, CCTV...
It's the content that should be judged.

Heraclitusstudent says

Sputnik news? Really?
I'm sure Russian propagandists really care about protecting us from Soros.
Different angle indeed.

Another angle we should always consider is from Völkischer Beobachter. Not much different from Russian-controlled news, I'd say. Constant reporting on great successes of whatever Fuehrer is in power.

kt1652 says

You should try reading media from both sides.

I trust the Russians will use whatever American is convenient to their narrative.
And reading this or zerohedge for news is a bit like watching advertising for information on a product.
But anyway. I didn't mean to bring Soros controversy into this.
These are just the thoughts of 1 US billionaire and you can bet many others are thinking along those line.
This means the current US-China symbiosis is broken. The US and China are now openly on a collision course.
This is not a question of Trump anymore. This is not even a question of trade in a pure sense. This is a question of power: economic, military, and cultural.
This will certainly have wide ranging implications, starting with the tech industry. But certainly not stop there.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/30/second-apple-employee-accused-of-stealing-self-driving-tech/
NBC News has learned that the FBI arrested Jizhong Chen for allegedly trying to swipe self-driving car tech and pass it along to a Chinese competitor. After an employee saw him taking photos in a sensitive work area, the company conducted an investigation that discovered thousands of sensitive documents on his personal computer, including roughly a hundred photos from inside an Apple building. They also found that he'd recently applied to work at that competitor.
Agents arrested Chen a mere day before he was supposed to fly to China, according to a criminal complaint.

Interesting story, what's it got to do with Soros?
Here are some
'How are illegal immigrants organized so quickly and young voters corralled overnight to demand open borders? Where did the saturation of transgender and pansexual ideology come from? How is it possible that Black Lives Matter seems to be everywhere? Or that the call for pot legalization is sweeping the nation? Or that there is an international movement for globalization simultaneously occurring in countries around the world?'
Follow the Soros money.
When the cabalist-in-chief warns about China, he is engineering the propoganda campaign for the coming cold war with China. Soros spent $40M funding media organizations, NYT, WaPo, AP, NBC, ABC. Soros does not have the slaves' back, I can assure you that.

http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/4/george-soros-funds-movements-disrupt-communities/

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/1906325/how-beijing-and-hong-kong-sent-billionaire-george-soros-packing