What will it finally take to turn Trump supporters against him?
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 11:39am
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 11:39am
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
That's wrong, Trump could have got what ever he wanted. He wanted OUT of the shithole known as Atlantic City, so he cut his losses and checked out.
If Trump had documentable access to half of what he claims, banks would have been in line to loan him whatever he needed to right his casinos after they went down - just for his signature.
That's wrong, Trump could have got what ever he wanted. He wanted OUT of the shithole known as Atlantic City, so he cut his losses and checked out.
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Bd6r
2018 Aug 21, 11:47am
Bd6r
2018 Aug 21, 11:47am
rootvg says
Banksters in general and Jamie Dimon in particular is the epitome of what is wrong with US
step 1. Bribe politicians to remove banking restrictions
step 2. Give loans to anyone with a pulse
step 3. Pay yourself a YUUGE bonus
step 4. Bank goes underwater
step 5. Run to Obama and cry: waaa...we are a systemically important bank, bail us out otherwise economy collapses
step 6. Pay yourself another YUUGE bonus from taxpayer money
Jamie Dimon
Banksters in general and Jamie Dimon in particular is the epitome of what is wrong with US
step 1. Bribe politicians to remove banking restrictions
step 2. Give loans to anyone with a pulse
step 3. Pay yourself a YUUGE bonus
step 4. Bank goes underwater
step 5. Run to Obama and cry: waaa...we are a systemically important bank, bail us out otherwise economy collapses
step 6. Pay yourself another YUUGE bonus from taxpayer money
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 12:15pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
OK--if Trump had invested passively in stocks and earned the same returns as the overall market.
Do you like that better?
Except, there were no Index funds back then.
OK--if Trump had invested passively in stocks and earned the same returns as the overall market.
Do you like that better?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 12:17pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 12:17pm
LeonDurham says
This is irrelevant to pretty much everything, but please share your numbers.
Hint: you can't. This is #fakenews.
OK--if Trump had invested passively in stocks and earned the same returns as the overall market.
This is irrelevant to pretty much everything, but please share your numbers.
Hint: you can't. This is #fakenews.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 12:18pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 12:18pm
BOB says
Lol
Most peg Trump at 2.5-3 billion. Which is half of what simply putting his inherited wealth into an index fund would have produced.
Lol
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 12:20pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 12:20pm
LeonDurham says
What if all his employees did that?
MrMagic says
Bueller?
OK--if Trump had invested passively in stocks and earned the same returns as the overall market.
What if all his employees did that?
MrMagic says
Now, take that narrative and and factor in all the 401K accounts of the 22,000 employees that Trump has in his organization. What's the total wealth of that combination with the market gains for all those employees in all their 401K, IRA accounts and private investment accounts?
Bueller?
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 12:20pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
It's a shame that have to resort to mischaracterizing me in order to make any semblance of a point. Very dishonest of you.
I never said the economy isn't doing well now. In fact I've said the opposite--that Trump was handed a great economy and the trend lines the existed before his Presidency have largely remained constant, although jobs created and real wages have gotten worse.
All the unemployment numbers are following the same trend as under Obama, although the jobs created numbers have worsened.
Obama's consecutive quarters of GDP averaging 5% were 3 years after the recession. Not coming out of it.
Already been up by myself and other many times.
Stock market near all time highs
Unemployment at lows not seen since 1969 (except once in 2000)
Record unemployment for Minorities
Lowest Youth unemployment in half a century
GDP growth over 4% not coming out of a recession.
Who besides Leon thinks the economy isn't doing well right now?
It's a shame that have to resort to mischaracterizing me in order to make any semblance of a point. Very dishonest of you.
I never said the economy isn't doing well now. In fact I've said the opposite--that Trump was handed a great economy and the trend lines the existed before his Presidency have largely remained constant, although jobs created and real wages have gotten worse.
All the unemployment numbers are following the same trend as under Obama, although the jobs created numbers have worsened.
Obama's consecutive quarters of GDP averaging 5% were 3 years after the recession. Not coming out of it.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 12:21pm
CBOEtrader says
Amazing because I already did twice on this very thread.
This is irrelevant to pretty much everything, but please share your numbers.
Hint: you can't. This is #fakenews.
Amazing because I already did twice on this very thread.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 12:21pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 12:21pm
bob2356 says
Does he make money off of them? Duh....
Trump reports 500 LLC's. Since they are private there is no way of knowing how many actually own something, how much ownership there is, how much equity there is, how many are just licensing deals. or how many actually employ people.
Does he make money off of them? Duh....
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 12:23pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 12:23pm
LeonDurham says
Do you think posting the same lie, day after day, will finally make it true?
This lie of yours has been proven to be fake numerous times by multiple people..
Just stop the trolling with the lies.
although jobs created and real wages have gotten worse.
Do you think posting the same lie, day after day, will finally make it true?
This lie of yours has been proven to be fake numerous times by multiple people..
Just stop the trolling with the lies.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 12:24pm
MrMagic says
If they were trust fund babies with Dads that gave them hundreds of millions of $$, then they'd be sitting pretty too.
What if all his employees did that?
If they were trust fund babies with Dads that gave them hundreds of millions of $$, then they'd be sitting pretty too.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 12:25pm
MrMagic says
No, it's a fact. I've posted the data several times.
Do you think posting the same lie, day after day, will finally make it true?
This lie of yours has been proven to be fake numerous times by multiple people..
Just stop the trolling with the lies.
No, it's a fact. I've posted the data several times.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 12:26pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 12:26pm
LeonDurham says
Then it'll be easy for you to put a link right here for us.
CBOEtrader saysThis is irrelevant to pretty much everything, but please share your numbers.
Hint: you can't. This is #fakenews.
Amazing because I already did twice on this very thread.
Then it'll be easy for you to put a link right here for us.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 12:26pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 12:26pm
LeonDurham says
Please post proof of that.
Obama's consecutive quarters of GDP averaging 5% were 3 years after the recession.
Please post proof of that.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 12:30pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 12:30pm
LeonDurham says
Proof Leon didnt read his own links. This is what happens when you post links instead of actual arguments. Your article doesnt say anything close to what you are saying.
Well, when this supposed expert businessman was left hundreds of millions of $$ from Daddy
Proof Leon didnt read his own links. This is what happens when you post links instead of actual arguments. Your article doesnt say anything close to what you are saying.
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marcus
2018 Aug 21, 1:10pm
marcus
2018 Aug 21, 1:10pm
Goran_K says
Easy. If he had just invested his inheritance in the stock market he would be better off, without ever even having to get involved in laundering money for the Russian Mob.
It's pretty difficult to listen to all the stories of Trumps business dealings, good and bad, and conclude that he's a great business mind.
BayArea says
Answer: Trump initiating or executing good policies, such as raising taxes on high increments of income, or advocating for some sort nationalized health care (or hybrid system that retains some private insurance and health care options) or appointing moderate SCOTUS candidates. Or backing rules for tighter background checks for gun purchases.
You know, that sort of thing.
How can anyone call a multi-billionaire a dead beat who is bad for business?
Easy. If he had just invested his inheritance in the stock market he would be better off, without ever even having to get involved in laundering money for the Russian Mob.
It's pretty difficult to listen to all the stories of Trumps business dealings, good and bad, and conclude that he's a great business mind.
BayArea says
What will it finally take to turn Trump supporters against him?
Answer: Trump initiating or executing good policies, such as raising taxes on high increments of income, or advocating for some sort nationalized health care (or hybrid system that retains some private insurance and health care options) or appointing moderate SCOTUS candidates. Or backing rules for tighter background checks for gun purchases.
You know, that sort of thing.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 21, 1:11pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 21, 1:11pm
LeonDurham says
Not at all.
In the context of a boom, you asserted that wages not keeping up with inflation was a sign the Trump's Economy wasn't great.
However, that's been the general case for the USA since the mid 1970s. It was ALSO the case for most of Obama's Presidency except for a few quarters where it was barely keeping pace or very slightly ahead as your OWN CHART showed.
It's a shame that have to resort to mischaracterizing me in order to make any semblance of a point. Very dishonest of you.
Not at all.
In the context of a boom, you asserted that wages not keeping up with inflation was a sign the Trump's Economy wasn't great.
However, that's been the general case for the USA since the mid 1970s. It was ALSO the case for most of Obama's Presidency except for a few quarters where it was barely keeping pace or very slightly ahead as your OWN CHART showed.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 1:19pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 1:19pm
LeonDurham says
Translation: I can't support my false narrative.
Where's the link to the post, that should be easy.
MrMagic saysPlease post proof of that.
I did on the other thread.
Translation: I can't support my false narrative.
Where's the link to the post, that should be easy.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 1:24pm
MrMagic says
You can't go to the other thread? How lazy are you??
Here's one article for you:
https://newsone.com/3767646/this-is-the-one-obama-legacy-that-trump-cant-touch/
Translation: I can't support my false narrative.
You can't go to the other thread? How lazy are you??
Here's one article for you:
https://newsone.com/3767646/this-is-the-one-obama-legacy-that-trump-cant-touch/
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 1:26pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
No, that is not correct at all. I responded to a post saying the Trump economy is amazing and much better than under Obama by pointing out that things have actually gotten a bit worse.
Not at all.
In the context of a boom, you asserted that wages not keeping up with inflation was a sign the Trump's Economy wasn't great.
However, that's been the general case for the USA since the mid 1970s. It was ALSO the case for most of Obama's Presidency except for a few quarters where it was barely keeping pace or very slightly ahead as your OWN CHART showed.
No, that is not correct at all. I responded to a post saying the Trump economy is amazing and much better than under Obama by pointing out that things have actually gotten a bit worse.
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Goran_K
2018 Aug 21, 2:06pm
Goran_K
2018 Aug 21, 2:06pm
marcus says
No he would not have. No. That is fucking wrong, and ridiculous. The article that claims this assumes 100% reinvestment of dividends (which is impossible anyway due to taxes). No one would fucking do that. No billionaire on the Forbes 100 has ever done that. Geezus this is fucking stupid to even discuss.
Easy. If he had just invested his inheritance in the stock market he would be better off,
No he would not have. No. That is fucking wrong, and ridiculous. The article that claims this assumes 100% reinvestment of dividends (which is impossible anyway due to taxes). No one would fucking do that. No billionaire on the Forbes 100 has ever done that. Geezus this is fucking stupid to even discuss.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 2:09pm
Goran_K says
Does it matter? He's likely 2-3X less valuable than he would have been.
No he would not have. No. That is fucking wrong, and ridiculous. The article assumes 100% reinvestment of dividends. No one would fucking do that. No billionaire on the Forbes 100 has ever done that. Geezus this is fucking stupid to even discuss.
Does it matter? He's likely 2-3X less valuable than he would have been.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:16pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:16pm
LeonDurham says
Really can't help yourself, can you?? Still comparing apples to hammers, over and over..
...."In this case, the number of jobs that were created in 2017, Trump’s first full year in the White House, fell short of those in 2016, when Obama was at the helm, a"
Comparing the END of Obama's term with the BEGINNING of Trump's term. We've been over this, again and again, you're just making yourself foolish with these different time period narrative. POST THE SAME TIME PERIODS like this:
See, that's an Apples to Apples compare..
Now, please don't start this B.S. again in a few more days.
MrMagic says
Translation: I can't support my false narrative.
You can't go to the other thread? How lazy are you??
Here's one article for you:
https://newsone.com/3767646/this-is-the-one-obama-legacy-that-trump-cant-touch/
Really can't help yourself, can you?? Still comparing apples to hammers, over and over..
...."In this case, the number of jobs that were created in 2017, Trump’s first full year in the White House, fell short of those in 2016, when Obama was at the helm, a"
Comparing the END of Obama's term with the BEGINNING of Trump's term. We've been over this, again and again, you're just making yourself foolish with these different time period narrative. POST THE SAME TIME PERIODS like this:
See, that's an Apples to Apples compare..
Now, please don't start this B.S. again in a few more days.
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Goran_K
2018 Aug 21, 2:19pm
Goran_K
2018 Aug 21, 2:19pm
LeonDurham says
Yes the truth matters. It matters Tatupu. I know this is something leftists/Democrats care little about today, but it matters.
Does it matter?
Yes the truth matters. It matters Tatupu. I know this is something leftists/Democrats care little about today, but it matters.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:20pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:20pm
LeonDurham says
Joey.... Obama was BELOW normal...
All the unemployment numbers are following the same trend as under Obama, although the jobs created numbers have worsened.
Joey.... Obama was BELOW normal...
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:27pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:27pm
LeonDurham says
The trend lines have been consistent? Well, with Obama's last years, we can see the trend.
It's a good thing Trump won, so he could REVERSE Obama's trend line from Recovery Summer 6, 7, and 8.
that Trump was handed a great economy and the trend lines the existed before his Presidency have largely remained constant, although jobs created and real wages have gotten worse.
The trend lines have been consistent? Well, with Obama's last years, we can see the trend.
It's a good thing Trump won, so he could REVERSE Obama's trend line from Recovery Summer 6, 7, and 8.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 2:27pm
Goran_K says
Except it has nothing to do with the truth Goran. It is only a different way of measuring the gains. Either way Trump is a loser compared to passively investing.
Yes the truth matters. It matters Tatupu. I know this is something leftists/Democrats care little about today, but it matters.
Except it has nothing to do with the truth Goran. It is only a different way of measuring the gains. Either way Trump is a loser compared to passively investing.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 21, 2:29pm
MrMagic says
It's amazing you persist in this ridiculous comparison. Very trollish.
See, that's an Apples to Apples compare..
Now, please don't start this B.S. again in a few more days.
It's amazing you persist in this ridiculous comparison. Very trollish.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:33pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:33pm
LeonDurham says
Trend lines.... what happened to GDP under Obama those last few year?? A great economy?? Really??
Liberal Trend lines.....
Yes, it's all about that great economy Trump inherited.... LOL
that Trump was handed a great economy and the trend lines the existed before his Presidency have largely remained constant,
Trend lines.... what happened to GDP under Obama those last few year?? A great economy?? Really??
Liberal Trend lines.....
Yes, it's all about that great economy Trump inherited.... LOL
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Aug 21, 2:33pm
Tenpoundbass
2018 Aug 21, 2:33pm
MrMagic says
What an absolute crock of shit graph that is. We're talking living wage jobs created by Trump.
Vs a President that Trolled American people that good paying manufacturing Jobs aren't coming back... studder studder uh, that's why I created 8 million part time fast food jobs in 8 years. So my Donors could skirt the Healthcare Laws.
What an absolute crock of shit graph that is. We're talking living wage jobs created by Trump.
Vs a President that Trolled American people that good paying manufacturing Jobs aren't coming back... studder studder uh, that's why I created 8 million part time fast food jobs in 8 years. So my Donors could skirt the Healthcare Laws.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:34pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 2:34pm
LeonDurham says
Exactly.... those Pesky Facts....
It's amazing you persist in this ridiculous comparison. Very trollish.
Exactly.... those Pesky Facts....
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 3:02pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 3:02pm
marcus says
This is #fakenews . You have been lied to by the likes of Leon, who cant even properly interpret the articles which are used to support this fabricated claim.
Go ahead, use the available figures, then perhaps rethink your inaccurate statement.
Easy. If he had just invested his inheritance in the stock market he would be better off
This is #fakenews . You have been lied to by the likes of Leon, who cant even properly interpret the articles which are used to support this fabricated claim.
Go ahead, use the available figures, then perhaps rethink your inaccurate statement.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 3:08pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 3:08pm
Goran_K says
It also doesnt start w his inherited wealth. It starts with his stated net worth after he was already fabulously wealthy. The articles are paraphrased as : "If Trump could have liquidated his brand at his stated worth and reinvested into stock market"... which is a ridiculous comparison.
Noone in their right mind would suggest going from $1 billion to $10 billion is bad. It's stupid all around
The article that claims this assumes 100% reinvestment of dividends
It also doesnt start w his inherited wealth. It starts with his stated net worth after he was already fabulously wealthy. The articles are paraphrased as : "If Trump could have liquidated his brand at his stated worth and reinvested into stock market"... which is a ridiculous comparison.
Noone in their right mind would suggest going from $1 billion to $10 billion is bad. It's stupid all around
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Goran_K
2018 Aug 21, 3:12pm
Goran_K
2018 Aug 21, 3:12pm
LeonDurham says
Absolutely wrong. The article you posted was fucking retarded.
Goran_K saysEither way Trump is a loser compared to passively investing.
.
Absolutely wrong. The article you posted was fucking retarded.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 3:14pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 3:14pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
"Donald Trump’s net worth has grown about 300% to an estimated $4 billion since 1987, according to a report by the Associated Press. But the real estate mogul would have made even more money if he had just invested in index funds. The AP says that, if Trump had invested in an index fund in 1988, his net worth would be as much as $13 billion."
Hey Marcus and Leon, I had no idea Trump recieved a multi-hundred million inheretence in 1987. Amazing what you learn on pat.net.... OR maybe idiocy like this :
marcus says
100% provably false. This is what #fakenews does to your brain.
LeonDurham sayshttps://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-probably-better-investing-donald-233020366.html
http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
Except, there were no Index funds back then.
And of course, the performance of index funds depends on people doing something other with money besides investing in index funds. Like founding Microsoft or Costco. Or building a shit ton of casinos and huge residences, which created a ton of economic activity.
"Donald Trump’s net worth has grown about 300% to an estimated $4 billion since 1987, according to a report by the Associated Press. But the real estate mogul would have made even more money if he had just invested in index funds. The AP says that, if Trump had invested in an index fund in 1988, his net worth would be as much as $13 billion."
Hey Marcus and Leon, I had no idea Trump recieved a multi-hundred million inheretence in 1987. Amazing what you learn on pat.net.... OR maybe idiocy like this :
marcus says
If he had just invested his inheritance in the stock market he would be better off
100% provably false. This is what #fakenews does to your brain.
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curious2
2018 Aug 21, 3:21pm
curious2
2018 Aug 21, 3:21pm
Aphroman says
If I may offer an opinion on this topic, keeping track of aliases is useful. LeonDurham/Tatupu70/JoeyJoeJoeJr is all one user. If people can change alias without even being noted, then the forum reverts at least partly to the experiment with only anonymous comments, like talking in a dark room with unidentifiable voices. There is a difference between correctly identifying people and insulting them.
when a poster refers to Leon Durnham as Tatupu
If I may offer an opinion on this topic, keeping track of aliases is useful. LeonDurham/Tatupu70/JoeyJoeJoeJr is all one user. If people can change alias without even being noted, then the forum reverts at least partly to the experiment with only anonymous comments, like talking in a dark room with unidentifiable voices. There is a difference between correctly identifying people and insulting them.
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WookieMan
2018 Aug 21, 3:21pm
WookieMan
2018 Aug 21, 3:21pm
The whole thing about the "additional" money Trump could have made is kind of laughable to me. Let's just have all the rich people invest in index funds and make money like it's pouring out of a faucet. Just stop all other forms of investment and things will just be dandy.
There are a shitload of ways to make money. There's always one that's going to do better and get better returns then yours. This whole line about Trump not increasing his money at the same rate at the S&P/index fund is a joke. Give everyone here $1M to invest in today and 20-30% would end up with zero. Yet everyone is an armchair quarterback with experience running a business AND handling 7-9 figures.
There are a shitload of ways to make money. There's always one that's going to do better and get better returns then yours. This whole line about Trump not increasing his money at the same rate at the S&P/index fund is a joke. Give everyone here $1M to invest in today and 20-30% would end up with zero. Yet everyone is an armchair quarterback with experience running a business AND handling 7-9 figures.
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MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 3:22pm
MrMagic
2018 Aug 21, 3:22pm
Aphroman says
That's true, Leon's posts usually are, as proven my multiple posters here.
Why do you have a problem with the truth. Isn't it always important to speak the truth?
That’s disingenuous as all hell.
That's true, Leon's posts usually are, as proven my multiple posters here.
Why do you have a problem with the truth. Isn't it always important to speak the truth?
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Goran_K
2018 Aug 21, 3:24pm
Goran_K
2018 Aug 21, 3:24pm
WookieMan says
No, no. Multi-billionaire is an idiot who doesn't know business.
*drives away in 2009 Chevy Aveo*
There are a shitload of ways to make money. There's always one that's going to do better and get better returns then yours. This whole line about Trump not increasing his money at the same rate at the S&P/index fund is a joke. Give everyone here $1M to invest in today and 20-30% would end up with zero. Yet everyone is an armchair quarterback with experience running a business AND handling 7-9 figures.
No, no. Multi-billionaire is an idiot who doesn't know business.
*drives away in 2009 Chevy Aveo*
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Although these characteristics are unbecoming, you can’t seriously expect these to be enough for a conservative to flip? Flip to what?
As long as he’s for lowering taxes, pro 2nd amendment, tough on immigration, against bs socialist policy, then conservatives will support.
Don’t act so surprised folks. It matters little that he’s an asshole, matters little that he’s rude and offensive.
As long as he fights for conservative policy and continues to hit liberals on the chin like no president ever has, he will not lose support.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/08/18/what-will-finally-turn-trumps-supporters-against-him/