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Strategist says

The original intent was defensive in nature. They screwed up, but their original intent remains the same.

My point is that it is always a canard, WMDs, Gulf of Tonkin, the Lusitania, Hamiltonian-ism and slavery in the case of Lincoln. The thing to understand is every one of these mutts are insane. And being the dumb fucks that we are we talk about the talking points or party instead of actual qualifications.

So the main qualification in my mind is are they sane or not. This would eliminate Clinton and Bush. By what he espouses Sanders would eliminated because of economic illiteracy which would also be the case with Trump although admittedly he is an expert at bankruptcy which could come in handy for this country.

Strategist says

So what problem did Hitler see?

The lack of a master race, IOW we needed eugenics.

IMO he was turned into a Manchurian candidate when he was in the hospital in Austria, you know the place the headquarters of Freud and other headshrinker types. You laugh but his nephew convinced us all that bacon eggs is for breakfast. Imagine what they can do now. Maybe Gary has a point? Just because he is paranoid doesn't mean no one isn't after us or at least wants to turn us into taxpaying chattel.

"Iraq, where sanctions killed 500,000 babies."

That's nothing! Here in 'Murica we kill over a million of our own babies each year! Planned Parenthood kills 389,000 of those, so can they adopt the swastika and usher in the Fourth Reich?

Quigley says

"Iraq, where sanctions killed 500,000 babies."

That's nothing! Here in 'Murica we kill over a million of our own babies each year! Planned Parenthood kills 389,000 of those, so can they adopt the swastika and usher in the Fourth Reich?

Very divisive issue, this abortion. Gets way too much attention than it deserves.

Dan8267 says

There is nothing that Hitler or the Nazis have done that America hasn't done longer, bigger, and better.

We called it Manifest Destiny. Hitler called it Lebensraum

From Hitler's Rise to Power, David A Meier.

His (Hitler's) favorite game to play outside was cowboys and Indians. Tales of the American West were very popular among boys in Austria and Germany. Books by James Fenimore Cooper and especially German writer Karl May were eagerly read and re-enacted. May, who had never been to America, invented a hero named Old Shatterhand, a white man who always won his battles with Native Americans, defeating his enemies through sheer will power and bravery. Young Hitler read and reread every one of May's books about Old Shatterhand, totaling more than 70 novels. He continued to read them even as Führer. During the German attack on the Soviet Union he sometimes referred to the Russians as Redskins and ordered his officers to carry May's books about fighting.

From Legendary Historian John Toland, Adolf Hitler, pg 202:

Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

Dan8267 says

There is nothing that Hitler or the Nazis have done that America hasn't done longer, bigger, and better. It's not the colors of the flag you wave that matters.

The heart and soul of the democratic party today.

Bellingham Bill says

Defending the inherent evil of the status quo is conservativism in a nutshell.

What is so evil about not wanting to be taxed into poverty?

Dan8267 says

There is nothing that Hitler or the Nazis have done that America hasn't done longer, bigger, and better.

The rest of the world was no different, including the Indian tribes that slaughtered each other.
I don't know why you single out America for everything bad. How about giving credit to America for something good like turning countries like Japan, Germany, S Korea, and Taiwan into prosperous and democratic nations.
You are just a biased American hater. :(

Strategist says

I don't know why you single out America for everything bad

I don't. I call out all countries on their atrocities. However, we live in America, so the wrongdoings of our government are most relevant to our lives. Whitewashing history isn't patriotism.

Strategist says

You are just a biased American hater.

Only an idiot thinks you can love or hate a country. It's an imaginary line on a map. And calling out the atrocities committed by our criminal politicians, regardless of the century they lived in, is not hating America. If only you were intelligent enough to understand that.

thunderlips11 says

We called it Manifest Destiny. Hitler called it Lebensraum

Precisely. Same thing, different people. This goes back to the original post. We glorify the very actions committed by Hitler when they are done by Americans. Mount Rushmore is a glorification of American Lebensraum or Manifest Destiny. Just look at the presidents on it. All were expansionists.

thunderlips11 says

He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

The various genocides of the Native Americans by U.S. politicians was the blueprint for the Holocaust. Only a fool would deny this.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

I don't know why you single out America for everything bad

I don't. I call out all countries on their atrocities. However, we live in America, so the wrongdoings of our government are most relevant to our lives. Whitewashing history isn't patriotism.

Strategist says

You are just a biased American hater.

Only an idiot thinks you can love or hate a country. It's an imaginary line on a map. And calling out the atrocities committed by our criminal politicians, regardless of the century they lived in, is not hating America. If only you were intelligent enough to understand that.

I have never heard you say anything positive about America. You are obviously painting American history with the wrong colors.

Dan8267 says

Only an idiot thinks you can love or hate a country.

I am convinced you hate America.

Dan8267 says

I don't. I call out all countries on their atrocities. However, we live in America, so the wrongdoings of our government are most relevant to our lives. Whitewashing history isn't patriotism.

It wasn't wrong if everyone else was doing it too. That's not whitewashing, that's just common sense.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

Only an idiot thinks you can love or hate a country.

I am convinced you hate America.

Dan I get the same impression as Strategist on this one, I really do think you hate America.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

If he were alive today, he would have been on the GOP debate last night

NAZI = National Socialist Worker's Party. sounds an awful lot like a Democrat to me.

zzyzzx says

NAZI = National Socialist Worker's Party. sounds an awful lot like a Democrat to me.

People's Republic of North Korea. Sounds an awful lot like a Republican to me.

Strategist says

How about giving credit to America for something good like turning countries like Japan, Germany, S Korea, and Taiwan into prosperous and democratic nations.

You forgot China, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia.

And, I should add, tt the expense of American jobs.

Germany had inflation of 3200%. People had no food , houseing etc. He was technically greatest leader for turning around germany. If germany won ww2, he would be hailed hero.
British were more cruel but media showed hitler worse. British machine gunned 2000 women/kids gathered for peaceful discussion. they had no weapons.
They took people from one continent and enslaved in another. Maybe jewish lives are more valuable but british killed way more people, and enslaved most of the world.
Stole so much also .

thunderlips11 says

People's Republic of North Korea. Sounds an awful lot like a Republican to me.

Ceptin the Nazis really were just another form of communism.

thunderlips11 says

Strategist says

How about giving credit to America for something good like turning countries like Japan, Germany, S Korea, and Taiwan into prosperous and democratic nations.

You forgot China, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia.

We already made China prosperous. It's only a matter of time before it becomes a democracy.
Saudi Arabia is beyond help.

thunderlips11 says

And, I should add, tt the expense of American jobs.

Yup. There is no country more giving than us. The sacrifices we make even to help our enemies is unmatched in the history of mankind.

thunderlips11 says

And, I should add, tt the expense of American jobs.

Not so much most of them are low paying jobs.

KgK one says

Germany had inflation of 3200%. People had no food , houseing etc. He was technically greatest leader for turning around germany. If germany won ww2, he would be hailed hero.

I'm a thinking that Gary's club Z had more to do with that than Hitlers ability.

Strategist says

I have never heard you say anything positive about America.

Those of us in STEM invented the Internet, the greatest invention in human history. We now have gay marriage as the law of the land. Every day Americans become more and more atheistic. Eventually the evil culture of the American South will die as evident by this graph.

The Republican Party is dying. Most people admit that Bush was an idiot and his administration was evil.

How about that?

Strategist says

I am convinced you hate America.

I am convinced you hate Americans.

FortWayne says

It wasn't wrong if everyone else was doing it too. That's not whitewashing, that's just common sense.

So now that everyone is having gay butt sex and gay marrying, it's common sense that those things aren't wrong, correct?

FortWayne says

Dan I get the same impression as Strategist on this one, I really do think you hate America.

No, only assholes like you who make America a worse place to live than it needs to be.

zzyzzx says

NAZI = National Socialist Worker's Party. sounds an awful lot like a Democrat to me.

Yet their philosophies are far better illustrated by the Republican platform.
1. Power concentrated in the hands of a few individuals.
2. Suppression and elimination of minorities.
3. The ends justify the means.
4. Using fear to justify atrocities.
5. War is good. Pacifists are unpatriotic.
6. Speaking ill of the those in power is equivalent to hating one's country. Hell, Strategist and FortWayne demonstrated that very principle in this thread.

Don't judge a group by it's acronym. Judge it by its actions.

Dan,
Don't listen to them.
It doesn't matter what Strategist or Ft Wayne or anybody else on this forum thinks...
It only matters what the boys down at Georgies think...

FortWayne says

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

Only an idiot thinks you can love or hate a country.

I am convinced you hate America.

Dan I get the same impression as Strategist on this one, I really do think you hate America.

Dan8267 says

...those things aren't wrong, correct?

That's a correct conclusion for reasons you explained in a prior thread about how to evaluate a fair system of morality, similar to shuffling a deck of cards and then cutting the deck. I'm glad you pointed it out though because it will be interesting to see if this time Forthood acknowledges his errors/lies (or Ignores and persists, as he has tended to do).

Hitler was really evil based on your own definition and frankly any definition seriously propounded. Even if you cite Nietzsche's master/primary morality, Hitler was really evil because he hijacked and destroyed his own country, worsening the lives of most of the people who had trusted him (including getting many of them killed, and driving his own wives to suicide with no children). You can say that other people did good and bad things, but there is no way that you can sensibly call anyone "evil" without calling Hitler evil.

Waitup says

Was Hitler really evil?

Yes, see above.

Dan8267 says

Those of us in STEM invented the Internet, the greatest invention in human history. We now have gay marriage as the law of the land. Every day Americans become more and more atheistic. Eventually the evil culture of the American South will die as evident by this graph.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Dan I get the same impression as Strategist on this one, I really do think you hate America.

No, only assholes like you who make America a worse place to live than it needs to be.

Ha ha ha. You still can't say anything that is truly positive about America without attacking it.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Dan I get the same impression as Strategist on this one, I really do think you hate America.

No, only assholes like you who make America a worse place to live than it needs to be.

Ha ha ha. You still can't say anything that is truly positive about America without attacking it.

Neither you nor FortWayne is America, despite you delusional egos.

Dan8267 says

Neither you nor FortWayne is America, despite you delusional egos.

You are so funny Dan. I would like to send you underwear that has the American flag on it, for your birthday.

Strategist says

underwear that has the American flag on it

Available on the DARPA-invented Internet :)

Is this a great country or what?!?

indigenous says

Ceptin the Nazis really were just another form of communism.

Because Communists are totally down with superstition, killing people for their unalterably perceived ethnicity and religion (as opposed to killing based on people's actions and beliefs, which are voluntary), allowed corporations (IG Farben, Krupps), etc.

Whereas Conservatives (including Paleocons) never hint at racial superiority, show distaste for certain ethnic groups, try to rewrite the history of Slavery, celebrate the Dark Ages as a time of placid farming and piety, and show eagerness to restrain Wall Street and Multinational Conglomerates.

Strategist says

You are so funny Dan. I would like to send you underwear that has the American flag on it, for your birthday.

Why? So I can shit my pants!

See what a congenial nice man!

"National Socialist Worker's Party. sounds an awful lot like a Democrat"

only if you're an ignorant idiot, or a conservative, but I repeat myself.

Germany had an actual socialist party in 1933, the SPD, Social Democratic Party

They were the only ones in the Reichstag who voted against Hitler taking over as Fuehrer.

The NSDAP was originally a fake movement/party promoted by conservatives to compete against the actual leftists, the hard-case communists (taking orders from Moscow) and the aforementioned SPD, which actually ran things in the 1920s for the most part, though they often had to coalition with the centrist catholic party.

The Nazi's vaguely leftist message won a lot of votes but they showed their true colors when the Roehm faction was purged a year after Hitler took power.

Germany's actual socialists ended up in SS concentration camps in the 1930s, or exile.

KgK one says

Germany had inflation of 3200%. People had no food , houseing etc. He was technically greatest leader for turning around germany.

The hyperinflation of 1923 had little to do with Hitler taking power ten years later.

Remember, hyperinflation wipes out debts just as much as savings!

Where things really went off the rails for Weimar Germany was when the debt the US was extending to them dried up in the global crisis of 1929-33.

Bellingham Bill says

The vaguely leftist message won a lot of votes but they showed their true colors when the Roehm faction was purged a year after Hitler took power.

...and then Hitler banned the Unions. May 2nd, 1933. Police occupy all Union HQs and arrest most of the Union leaders. Unions are prohibited from striking or collective bargaining, merged all the members of the old union into the "German Labor Front", which was a Patriotic Shill Group controlled by the Nazi Party that did nothing but organize hiking and track and picnic events, all celebrating the Fuhrer. It's motto was "Strength through Joy." Hitler's big industry supporters like Thyssen are elated.