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The whole market was shifted by blowing up Nordstream.

I'll show your mine:



Now show yours "doubled".

Patrick says

The whole market was shifted by blowing up Nordstream.

... in the gamble to "freeze Europe" by Pukin. Because neither US nor EU have put any sanctions on Soviet natgas.

And, BTW, the gamble didn't pay out either - Europe didn't freeze.

Also:



So, increase of cost of gas caused whopping $12 jump in the gas portion of the bill.

IT'S FUCKING DOUBLED, I'M TELLING YOU!!!!

POST YOUR DOUBLED PG&E BILLS, FELLAS!!!

ANYBODY?! BUELLER!!!

At least I do not see any significant change in $/Therm ($2.3-$2.8 based on the tier). But usage went up in Dec so does the total price.

Let's see...the price of natural gas went from about $3 to about $9.

Does anybody else think that the utility companies possibly, could've, maybe signed their long term contracts near the $9 price???????

I mean it's only the stupid consumers of a regulated monopoly that would get screwed over by something like this.

Nobody would think of bribing the person in charge of contracts at the utility company (giggles to self). After all....the price could've just kept going up.

Yeah, and utilities like Florida Power and Light can blame natural gas prices surging recently.

The Wolf Street website reports about a +80% drop in natural gas futures. FPL can promote its Solar Woke agenda in order to squeeze more out of the average consumer.

Look at the US Natural Gas Fund (ticker: UNG). It is down about 72% from its 52 week high and near its all time high since originating around 2007.

Oil is down also: WTI is $79 and down about 35% from its 52 week high of $121

We had a run up of the stock market and crypto.

Amazon is up almost 20% over the last 7 trading days or so.

Davos crowd (i.e., World Economic Forum) is trying to cool things down by now saying a global recession is very likely in 2023

(reference: https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-3-economists-expect-global-150858101.html)

The same World Economic Forum said we'll own less and be happy, and suggested we should switch to a bug diet.

Mine was low, $95, but might have reflected a credit for 'modernizing' the whole air and heat system a few months ago.

Now I have a touch screen, voice enabled, Alexa embedded, microphone enhanced, blue tooth and internet enabled thermostat that spies on me along with the automatic watering system, the TVs, the computer, the cell phone, the Starlink enabled Subaru, and the Galaxy watch. The sprinkler system and the thermostat and the Subaru send me emails, now, either nagging me or congratulating me

The prices for SDGE went up at the beginning of 2022. Not double, but we now pay about $50 more than we used to.

Ceffer says

Now I have a touch screen, voice enabled, Alexa embedded, microphone enhanced, blue tooth and internet enabled thermostat that spies on me along with the automatic watering system, the TVs, the computer, the cell phone, the Starlink enabled Subaru, and the Galaxy watch. The sprinkler system and the thermostat and the Subaru send me emails, now, either nagging me or congratulating me

I think there is a conspiracy going on between our LG fridge and washer. I hear them talking in code.

PG&E is 3X the cost of FPL (Florida).
I was amazed how much less it cost.

On the other hand, in Santa Cruz I didn't use much energy while in Florida AC was on from April into October day and night.

We had a freakishly warm early November in the Northeast, so if that also happened where you live, that could explain it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/san-diego-restaurant-sees-natural-gas-bill-soar-6k-one-month-theyre-running-us-here

Published February 2, 2023 6:57am EST
San Diego restaurant sees natural gas bill soar $6k in one month: They're 'running us out of here'
SDG&E announced February natural gas prices would decline 68% after the 400% surge in January

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4071648/posts

Flashback – Joe Biden: ‘I Guarantee You We’re Going to End Fossil Fuels’
Breitbart ^ | 06/16/2022 | Wendell Husebo
Posted on 6/16/2022, 4:28:30 PM by ChicagoConservative27

Then-candidate Joe Biden said in 2019 that he would “end” the fossil fuel industry in the United States.

“I want you to look at my eyes. I guarantee you, I guarantee you we’re going to end fossil fuels,” he said in New Castle, New Hampshire.

Biden said something similar in 2020 on the Democrat primary debate stage. Biden promised to wage war on the American oil industry by terminating subsidies and drilling feasibility.

“No more subsidies for the fossil fuel industry,” Biden said. “No more drilling, including offshore. No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill, period,” Biden said of his energy policies if he won the presidency. “It ends.”

The City of Palo Alto is proud to offer residents and businesses a full suite of City-owned and operated utility services including electricity, natural gas, water, sanitary sewer, and commercial fiber optic services.
https://www.cityofpaloalto.org/Departments/Utilities
You are on the, I kid you not, GULP plan.
The proposed changes to the Gas Utility Long-term Plan (GULP) Objectives, Strategies and Implementation Plan will align GULP to the Council direction to discontinue the gas laddered purchasing strategy for pool customers and implement gas supply rates that change every month based on the market price of gas.
https://www.cityofpaloalto.org/files/assets/public/utilities/rates-schedules-for-utilities/4663-final-staff-report-id-2552_gas-utility-long-term-plan-revisions.pdf

Onvacation says

I think there is a conspiracy going on between our LG fridge and washer. I hear them talking in code.

It's probably Navajo codespeak. I forgot, the bluetooth and internet enable Roomba vacuum thing is also spying. The Fire tablet is in there. I guess the PG&E stuff outside is spying, and may be a 5G hub for irradiating us. We're fucking surrounded.

Hugh_Mongous says

POST YOUR DOUBLED PG&E BILLS, FELLAS!!!

ANYBODY?! BUELLER!!!

So deboonked.

my ca friends seen theirs double and triple too.

RWSGFY says

So deboonked.

@RWSGFY You're kidding, right? Not deboonked, but even more real that I first thought:

Patrick says

400% surge in January

I noticed on my surprise power bill that I've been changed to a "100% renewable" plan of some kind for electric at least. I didn't ask for that, but it seems I wasn't paying attention:

https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/customer-service/other-services/alternative-energy-providers/community-choice-aggregation/faq.page

Community Choice Aggregation (CCA) frequently asked questions

How are customers enrolled in a CCA Program?
Once a city or county implements or joins a CCA program, state law requires that residential customers within a CCA member's jurisdictions be enrolled in CCA service unless they choose to opt out. In some instances, a CCA may choose to phase-in enrollment in its program. As part of the CCA notification process, customers will receive at least two notices during a 60-day period prior to CCA service commencement and at least two additional notices during a 60-day period after CCA service commencement. These notices will inform the customer how to opt out of the program if he or she chooses to do so. Once a CCA completes its enrollment process, all new customers establishing service in that area will be enrolled in CCA service unless they opt out.

Are any customers exempt from automatic enrollment in a CCA program?
All PG&E residential customers in a CCA program’s service area automatically become customers of that CCA program (which may occur in phases) unless they choose to opt out of the CCA program.

https://pgesupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360054818291-How-do-I-opt-in-or-out-of-Community-Choice-Aggregation-CCA-

How do I opt in or out of Community Choice Aggregation (CCA)?
If a Community Choice Aggregation (CCA) is available in your area, you will be automatically enrolled as a customer of the CCA when you sign up for electric service. If you wish to opt out of the CCA program and have PG&E buy and/or generate your electricity, you must submit an opt-out request directly to the CCA.

Visit Community Choice Aggregation for more information including a list of CCAs in the PG&E service territory.

Haven't figured out yet if my failure to opt out is costing me money or not. Personally, I would like to maximize the CO2 I'm putting into the atmosphere so that we all have a better future with healthy plants:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uhq557vrnww0ala/PositiveImpactOfCO2ForLife.pdf?dl=0

Patrick says

RWSGFY says

So deboonked.

RWSGFY You're kidding, right? Not deboonked, but even more real that I first thought:

Patrick says

400% surge in January

Where? Show the same bill comparison from your PG&E account as Hugh Mongous posted above.

If one argues that gas bills have doubled across the board (w/o change in consumption pattern) this should be true for every account, not one restaurant somewhere. Simple logic, nothing more.

Look into your own bill and see if it doubled since December.

Our December bill went up $26 from last December. Cold year.

US natgas:



EU natgas (different units of measure):



Stick a fork into WE'LL ALL FREEZE WITHOUT PRECIOUS RUSSIA hysterionics, will ya?

My December bill doubled since last year, and we used 20 less therms than this time last year.

The price gouging is real.
$245 to $442

https://notthebee.com/article/why-yes-england-was-the-birthplace-of-modern-political-rights-in-the-west-why-do-you-ask

England is gonna fine citizens for using wood-burning stoves. Man am I glad we fought that Revolution.

The topic of PGE bill could be the most posted topic of the year on NextDoor App

The rate increase is out of this world

Yes, my wife is on NextDoor and says there is a lot of outrage there about it.

Remember, you are the carbon they want to reduce!

Shaman says

My December bill doubled since last year, and we used 20 less therms than this time last year.

The price gouging is real.
$245 to $442

$442 for natgas only?

Electric didn't change much for me, it was mostly gas.

Rockefellers get their pound of fuel flesh from their political puppets. Blow up Nordstream Pipeline, check, have Biden Actor Puppet cancel pipeline to cheap Canadian gas, check, double domestic gas prices, check.

Eric Holder says

Shaman says

My December bill doubled since last year, and we used 20 less therms than this time last year.

The price gouging is real.
$245 to $442

$442 for natgas only?

Yeah, that seems steep. We had a really cold December and $225 was my gas bill in IL. That makes zero sense if you're out in CA. You'd have to have a 4k sq. ft. house or have 6 kids. January was $181 here. You CA boys might be getting raped.

It’s the commodity cost that went sky high. Average for December to January was $3.25/therm gas commodity alone. That is subject to market forces, and the market went stupid this year.

Yea my bill for natural gas only was $442. I have three kids, we keep the house at 72° and it’s a California house with no insulation between the drywall and the stucco. The house is two story, right at 2000 sqf, with five bedrooms. Everyone takes showers, my teens might take overly long ones ugh. We use the oven-range almost every day. And our dryer is gas as well. So is the hot tub, but we didn’t run that. Up until this year, gas was a deal for all that energy use. Now the rates have at least doubled, and of course they add lots of taxes to the bill.

I suspect that this is associated with the Democrat push to “ban gas stoves.” They know they can’t just ban them, nobody would comply! So they have chosen to have the public utilities enter into ruinous contracts with suppliers at ridiculous rates and then pass those rates on to the consumers.

This is designed to make gas more expensive than electric, pushing people towards upgrading their appliances to electric.

It’s working. the oven is the last appliance we have to get upgraded. It’s a 1993 GE unit and it works fairly well for its age. Maybe we get an electric replacement? Idk. I feel like I could be chasing a mirage here.

Yes, I also think recent utility bill hikes are a horribly misguided attack on relatively clean and abundant natural gas.

At some point it will be worth it to physically ship propane tanks from places with lower prices. Maybe it is already.

ForcedTQ says

It’s the commodity cost that went sky high. Average for December to January was $3.25/therm gas commodity alone. That is subject to market forces, and the market went stupid this year.

Why $442 though in CA? That's insane unless it's a large house. We had -1ºF HIGHS for days in December. $225 for December. Less for January. Three boys, showers/hot water. We heat the house at 67ºF and drop it to 60ºF 12am-4am. would be the biggest difference. For IL we get good passive solar heating from the south. That just seems insane from a cold weather perspective.

Add on. Does it get lower than 55ºF during the day? There's no need to turn on the heat. Wear layers and blankets. With sunlight, windows closed I can't imagine the inside of a home getting less than 55ºF. Definitely don't have to worry about pipes freezing. I don't think I'd use gas or electric heat out in CA unless in the mountains.

@WookieMan Lately it's been quite cold in the SF Bay Area. Could really use some of that "global warming".

By cold, I mean that overnight it can dip below freezing, and sometimes the high is only 50 F outside. Typical high lately is about 60 F. (Dunno how you type the degree symbol.)

We leave the heat off at night and usually turn it on only in the morning and in the evening. In the middle of the day it's about 60 inside the house lately.