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Anyone following the total morbidity numbers coming out of the CDC in 2020 knew that the reported COVID deaths were bullshit very early on. We went above trend in a big spike - but not after COVID first came to light - it was after hospitals stopped classic flu treatments and started with ventilators and remdesivir. By that fall we were under the trend line for the year and stayed that way until the vaccines started rolling out. Coincidence is not causation but, come on man.

I once calculated that the actual deaths from Wuhan virus alone were on the order of deaths from falling down stairs.

Yet some people still have the belief that everyone was going to die and if not they dodged a bullet.

ITALIAN INSTITUTE OF HEALTH DRASTICALLY REDUCES ITS OFFICIAL COVID DEATH TOLL NUMBER.

https://christianresearchnetwork.org/2021/11/05/italian-institute-of-health-drastically-reduces-its-official-covid-death-toll-number/

I had Covid. It's nasty. It was unlike any cold I had before. It zapped me. Had I not been in such good health I could see it killing me.

Last time I looked over 90% of Covid deaths were amongst people over 50.

I just downloaded the latest data from the CDC and discovered something disturbing that I never noticed before. I have not looked at the data for a while as I lost trust in its accuracy.

The CDC has two categories for Covid-19 deaths; "COVID-19 (U071, Multiple Cause of Death)" which I call WITH and "COVID-19 (U071, Underlying Cause of Death)" which I call FROM. When you hear about total Covid-19 deaths they are talking about WITH. So if someone is in a nursing home with cancer, contracts the Wuhan and dies, it's considered WITH. If someone has no comorbidities and dies it is considered with.

I never noticed before that the numbers don't add up. The number WITH has always been slightly higher or equal to the number FROM. They are not added together for the grand total. It does not make sense.

I charted the CDC numbers and added a calculated field for the difference. At first I thought this would show the true number that died from Covid but all it really shows is the difference between the CDC's reported deaths WITH and FROM Covid-19.

Feedback anyone?

There is no standard for defining WITH and FROM. As most elderly people have co-morbidities, and as COVID deaths occur mostly in the elderly,.....

Onvacation says

Last time I looked over 90% of Covid deaths were amongst people over 50.

Update 91%

Onvacation says

I had Covid. It's nasty. It was unlike any cold I had before. It zapped me. Had I not been in such good health I could see it killing me.

Knocked my buddy out for 5 days. 104º fever. He's 42. Healthy. Despite the fever he said it wasn't too bad.

Still don't know anyone that's died from it, old or young personally. Everyone easily recovered. There are some unhealthy people too including my own overweight sister, with lupus. Prime target for a covid death and she basically had a sinus infection. That's generally the reaction of everyone I know that got it.

I still don't know how I didn't/haven't gotten it. I stopped following anything about 60 days after the BS started. No mask besides travel/airports. I'm a clean person, but I'm not gonna lie I get lazy with hand washing (I know, gross...) and still haven't gotten it. If I did or have, it was nothing. I've had two cold since this started. One of them had me chill and take a day 100% off, but nothing major. And I did test. Assuming no false negative, I haven't had covid. And I've been reckless. lol.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

There is no standard for defining WITH and FROM. As most elderly people have co-morbidities, and as COVID deaths occur mostly in the elderly,.....

Agreed.

My point is, how can FROM be almost as much as WITH which is what they quote as TOTAL deaths.

Either you died FROM or WITH. It can't be both so it should only be one or the other.

Onvacation says

Last time I looked over 90% of Covid deaths were amongst people over 50.

Update 91%

What's the percentage of all cause deaths for people over 50? Hmmm... I'm guessing somewhere right around .... wait for it .... 91%?

I'm just pointing out that COVID was not nearly as lethal as we were led to believe. IMO the "extra" deaths have been caused by the medical systems response to a flawed PCR test and the vaccines.

stfu says

I'm just pointing out that COVID was not nearly as lethal as we were led to believe. IMO the "extra" deaths have been caused by the medical systems response to a flawed PCR test and the vaccines.

We really didn't have a surge in all cause mortality until the vaccines were rolled out.

@Onvacation - you'd know if that statement is correct, but I'm pretty certain it is. If I'm full of crap and we really did have an increase in all cause mortality that was significant let me know. As I recall, we had a short little blip up in like May, June, and July, but it went away until the vaccines came in.

Deaths related to drug overdoses increased by 40% during that timeframe.

Also, we have a population that is growing older and because of that every year we have an increase in all cause mortality.

You really shouldn't be pinning those causes as vaxx related.

stfu says

As I recall, we had a short little blip up in like May, June, and July, but it went away until the vaccines came in.

Let me make a picture for you from the latest "data" from the CDC.



As you can see, all cause and "Covid" (I don't trust the CDC) deaths have spiked three times. The initial spike in mid April 2020 was the smallest. The largest Peak happened right after the vax program started. The most recent spike happened early this year when Omicron made it clear that the vax did not work.

The all cause death trend before covid was around 50 to 60,000 per week. It has been in that range since April.

If you believe the data.

Onvacation says

Either you died FROM or WITH.

WITH = FROM, just reported twice?

What was encouraging early days in the worldwide hysteria was the nicely reported data from the NYC public health department showing that even 75 year-old and ups without co-morbidities had a very low COVID mortality risk, pretty close to the 20-30 year-old groups. So if it is only WITH's that are dying in significant numbers, and you want to pump up the numbers, double count, as there is no standard, after all?

Long Term Death Trends

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Onvacation says

Either you died FROM or WITH.

WITH = FROM, just reported twice?

Apparently.

The data the CDC puts out implies that most people die FROM and only a small percentage die WITH.

Onvacation says

The data the CDC puts out implies that most people die FROM and only a small percentage die WITH.

While it has been a while since I looked at the NYC public health department database, which has a much slicker presentation then back at the start of the hysteria, they even defined comordidities to include, as I recall, diabetes, COPD, hypertension, possibly one or two more conditions. And what they reported was directly opposite to what you are saying that the CDC reports, that is, that older folks without comorbidities had very low mortality risk. But older folks with comorbidities had significant mortality risk.

It stands to reason that as you age, the abuse you have visited upon your body adds up, combined with just a bad choice of parents. Ubelievable!

WookieMan says

I still don't know how I didn't/haven't gotten it.

I think the stats said ~30% of cases are completely asymptomatic? So 1 in 3 in chance you had it but didn't know.

Tho...I'm assuming 30% applies to all ages, which probably isn't a good assumption. I would guess younger/healthier people are more likely to be asymptomatic.

I think it was Clif High who said that since the vaccines, not only the funeral industry, but estate lawyers saw their business jump massively in Washington state. Because there are some older parents who have older children, he also said the estates were sometimes collapsing to the grandchildren and peripheral heirs because the vaccines nailed two generations.

My wife has a gym friend who told her two friends, a husband and a wife, had just died very close together. They both had cancer remission for years, and were healthy, but got vaccinated, and within months after vaccines, both of their cancers returned and they are dead, lasted less than a year after vax.

Onvacation says

My point is, how can FROM be almost as much as WITH which is what they quote as TOTAL deaths.

I'm not clear what you mean here. Are you saying that when they say "this month X total people died of covid" that X always equals the WITH category deaths?

I mean the word "of" in the above quote to mean those who died "while having covid" - so both those who died directly from covid, as well as those who maybe covid pushed them over the edge - in either case, they died and they had covid near their time of death.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

And what they reported was directly opposite to what you are saying that the CDC reports, that is, that older folks without comorbidities had very low mortality risk. But older folks with comorbidities had significant mortality risk.

Comorbidities are not included in CDC data. What did you think I was saying?

The fact is more than one in three people that Onvacation says

Update 91%

I forgot to include covid deaths among people over 85.

One in four Covid Deaths were from people over 85. The total percentage of deaths from covid among people 50 and over was 93%. 75% of covid victims were over 65. It was more deadly to old people.

If you trust the CDC and believe the data.

Onvacation says

Comorbidities are not included in CDC data. What did you think I was saying?

WITH what, then, if not comorbidities? How does Yeardon put it - you're at death's door, and something will push you over the edge. If not COVID, then community acquired pneumonia, perhaps.

Hircus says

Onvacation says

My point is, how can FROM be almost as much as WITH which is what they quote as TOTAL deaths.

I'm not clear what you mean here. Are you saying that when they say "this month X total people died of covid" that X always equals the WITH category deaths?

Check out the graph below.

They count WITH separately from FROM. It's confusing and I can't find any clarification from the CDC.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

WITH what, then, if not comorbidities?

I'm Just graphing the CDC data.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

WITH what, then, if not comorbidities? How does Yeardon put it - you're at death's door, and something will push you over the edge. If not COVID, then community acquired pneumonia, perhaps.

Are you implying the pandemic was manipulated?

Onvacation says

Are you implying the pandemic was manipulated?

If he isn't, I am!

We didn't have a pandemic. It's all bullshit. Remember when two hospital ships from the military were anchored and left unused? Remember the panic for ventilators, which were never used, and were just sent to a landfill? Nobody knows anybody that died from it at work.

I am quite certain there was a new disease, but it just another cold/flu - maybe initially a bit more dangerous, but it attenuated. Now it's just another stupid coronavirus. It's just silly.

richwicks says

We didn't have a pandemic. It's all bullshit. Remember when two hospital ships from the military were anchored and left unused? Remember the panic for ventilators, which were never used, and were just sent to a landfill? Nobody knows anybody that died from it at work.

I agree.

There was never a serious pandemic. Fauci and Daszak maniupulated a bat virus in Wuhan to make it much more contagious and somewhat more dangerous, but 99.8% of the population were never in danger. The version Fauci and Daszak created was about twice as bad as the normal flu (which kills about 0.1% of people who get it) but now the original Wuhan virus is gone.

I still do not know anyone who died from the virus, or even anyone who got seriously ill.

The virus has likely a lower mortality than the flu. 80% of deaths were just bullshit other deaths while "testing positive" within 30 days or so (whatever that means, with enough rounds of pcr everyone is positive). Plus a novel virus hits harder in the beginning, there is a lot of immunity against the flu in the population, the same is true for sars cov 2 by now. Maybe in the very beginning it hit harder than the flu, but it's hard to tell with all the propaganda out there and fake tests. Having had both (always unjabbed) I can def say that the flu is worse.

The deaths from the flu went to zero in 2020, while a respiratory illness with similar characteristics caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

The CDC statistics have zero credibility.

Patrick says

I still do not know anyone who died from the virus, or even anyone who got seriously ill.

I do! They were vaxxed.

Misc says

The deaths from the flu went to zero in 2020, while a respiratory illness with similar characteristics caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

The CDC statistics have zero credibility.

Not zero but they did dive. If you believe the CDC data.

Onvacation says

Check out the graph below.

They count WITH separately from FROM. It's confusing and I can't find any clarification from the CDC.

I don't see anything wrong with it, which is why I'm asking you to clarify, because I feel like maybe I'm missing the obvious. Assuming your answer to my question is "yes":

The way I look at it, there's probably 3 categories here:

1) "died with covid / multiple causes / death spiral"
2) "died directly from covid"
3) "BOTH 1&2"

They only show us 2 categories in the dataset, which are #2 & #3.
#2 is called "FROM" and #3 is called "WITH".
#1 is not provided. #1 = #3 minus #2 (edit - #1 is your calculated difference)

Although, I would have thought many more deaths would be in #1 vs #2, but the data implies the opposite, making me not feel confident.

If you start printing enough tens of thousands of dollars of fiat money for each sample of a particular cause of death, I would hazard the thought that the hospitals would be happy to kill as many patients as possible and assign them that cause of death, no matter any inconvenient facts of the situation.

It's just the same bribery crap that has infiltrated the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC.

Multiple citizen journalists illustrated completely empty covid tents and nearly empty emergency rooms and waiting areas. The hospitals were gorged with fake Covid bux and didn't need the rest of the business.

Everyone I know who got seriously sick with Covid went one of two ways:
1)avoided hospitals and recovered at home, sometimes hiring medical workers to get them oxygen and iv drips as well as appropriate medications. Every single one of these people recovered even the ones in their 80s!
2)went to the hospital and most of them got put in a ventilator. Of these, over half of them died. Of the ones given Remdesivir, over half died.

I did know of two people who died. My wife’s ex brother in law (late 50s) and his brother both died of Covid. He refused ivermectin. I don’t know why. He’s dead now.
The other one was a coworker I didn’t really know. Obese and unhealthy and ventilated at the hospital with Remdesivir. Dead!

Hircus says

The way I look at it, there's probably 3 categories here:

1) "died with covid / multiple causes / death spiral"
2) "died directly from covid"
3) "BOTH 1&2"

They only show us 2 categories in the dataset, which are #2 & #3.
#2 is called "FROM" and #3 is called "WITH".

My analyses of the data indicates very few comorbidities contributed to the death toll, which is the opposite of what we saw and common sense would indicate. You can see in this chart that 90% of the WITH people died FROM covid.

I would further conject that the line I call difference is actually the people that died without any apparent comorbidities.

Covid is the hyena. It takes old the sick and old.

FURTHERMORE we know that first spike of covid deaths was from nursing homes and non treatment. The CDC's data implies that very few of these people had comorbidities and died FROM not WITH.

The COVID mind-fuck is turning lots of people into immunologists or epidemiologists, at least those who seek to understand. Not that that is a bad thing. And newly emergent infectious disease does affect the elderly more, but the 2009 H1N1 pandemic had an interesting twist, verifying the power of natural immunity and immune memory. The mortality rate for the 2009 outbreak was greatest in the 50-59 age group, but decreased in older age groups because these oldsters had been exposed to related strains that swept thru when they were much younger, and so they had pre-existing immunity, while the heading into oldsterism 50-59 age cohort had less exposure to the earlier viruses, not having been hatched yet at the time.

"Adults aged 50–59 years had the highest fatality due to 2009 H1N1; older adults may have been spared due to pre-existing immunity. However, once infected and hospitalized in intensive care, case-fatality ratios were high for all adults, especially in those over 60 years. Vaccination of adults older than 50 years should be encouraged."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3071719/

"H1N1 swine flu doesn't seem to be a big problem for seniors unless that person has a chronic underlying condition, says Thomas Yoshikawa, MD, professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and editor-in-chief of the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society.

Most H1N1 cases are occurring in younger people. "It appears that older persons, who have been exposed multiple times in their life time with various flu outbreaks, may have residual immunity of which some of it is against this H1N1 flu strain," Yoshikawa tells WebMD."

However, underlying health problems like heart and lung diseases or a compromised immune system "confers an increased risk of influenza, whether it's swine flu or another type of flu," says Sean X. Leng, MD, PhD, a geriatrician conducting research on influenza immunization in older adults and assistant professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/swine-flu-and-the-elderly

So if younger, get out into the environment. Enjoy life. Don't shelter in place, it may kill you when you are older. Don't be obese, smoke, or neglect your health. And stay the fuck out of the hospital.

Onvacation says

Are you implying the pandemic was manipulated?

I can't explain the rationale behind the insanity that gripped this country, but our institutions clearly are compromised. And murderers do start fires to hide their crimes.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

However, once infected and hospitalized in intensive care, case-fatality ratios were high for all adults

So it's better to stay home and take Nyquil and drink lots of liquids until you feel better.