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1   Ceffer   2022 Jul 5, 9:25am  

I guess the authorities aren't as quick on the trigger as the internet autists. Here's all the stuff they tried to scrub before they even apprehended their patsy:
https://mega.nz/folder/5so0HYYQ#aJKcF8MGoAw33TfXHgZM2A

On quick perusal, they really don't show him with anything resembling an actual rifle, ammo or weapon. Just a bunch of weird selfy stuff and a line drawing that could have been made by any standard basement dwelling gamer. One would have thought he would be proud if he had an arsenal and included it in his self expository stuff.
2   Ceffer   2022 Jul 5, 9:29am  

We are at the point where these incidents require a burden of proof to regard them as real aka fake false flag until proven otherwise with a true preponderance of evidence, not just a shock assault.

The knee jerk shock response of regarding it as real, ever since Kennedy assassination, needs to be over-ridden.
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=202836
3   RWSGFY   2022 Jul 5, 9:37am  

Time to ban basements.
5   Patrick   2022 Jul 5, 9:56am  

https://patriots.win/p/15IY839T5b/mass-shooter-followed-occupy-dem/c/

Mass shooter followed Occupy Democrats, Lincoln Project and Anti-Racism Daily on Twitter. But he was at a Trump rally yall.


7   Ceffer   2022 Jul 5, 10:03am  

LOL! MSM 'fake but accurate', the new gaslighting manifesto. "We just embellished it for you from whole cloth so that you could see things more clearly (NOT)."
https://t.me/drawandstrikechannel/47347
13   Patrick   2022 Jul 7, 11:41am  

https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/07/you-know-what-would-deter-more-shootings-than-red-flag-laws-executing-mass-killers-quickly/

You Know What Would Deter More Shootings Than Red Flag Laws? Executing Mass Killers Quickly
14   richwicks   2022 Jul 7, 11:45am  

Patrick says

https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/07/you-know-what-would-deter-more-shootings-than-red-flag-laws-executing-mass-killers-quickly/
You Know What Would Deter More Shootings Than Red Flag Laws? Executing Mass Killers Quickly


Other than this kid being nuts, and our government claiming he's responsible, what evidence does the public have that this person is guilty?

Remember, Derek Chauvin was falsely convicted of murdering George Floyd with full government support of his conviction, despite his innocence.
17   Robert Sproul   2022 Jul 7, 4:16pm  

richwicks says

Derek Chauvin was falsely convicted of murdering George Floyd with full government support of his conviction, despite his innocence.

I wonder what percentage of the population understands that Chauvin performed his duties in exemplary fashion, did not one thing wrong in that incident, and yet was easily convicted of murder by the State when it suited them.
18   richwicks   2022 Jul 7, 6:40pm  

Robert Sproul says

richwicks says


Derek Chauvin was falsely convicted of murdering George Floyd with full government support of his conviction, despite his innocence.

I wonder what percentage of the population understands that Chauvin performed his duties in exemplary fashion, did not one thing wrong in that incident, and yet was easily convicted of murder by the State when it suited them.


I walked past two cops in, I think I was in Santa Clara California, and asked their opinion about it. Yes, they saw the complete body cam footage they said, but "he shouldn't have put a knee on his back".

Well, it's their asses if the government decides to fuck them. WHATEVER.
19   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 8:38pm  

richwicks says

I walked past two cops in, I think I was in Santa Clara California, and asked their opinion about it. Yes, they saw the complete body cam footage they said, but "he shouldn't have put a knee on his back".

Well, it's their asses if the government decides to fuck them. WHATEVER.


He shouldn’t have let the crowd distract him. The people gathered watching the arrest distracted Chauvin, and he dug in his knee to prove to the crowd who was in charge. He did take the knee too far for too long, to prove he was boss. Of course, he obviously did not intend to kill, but he did use excessive force in that he kneeled TOO long, longer than was needed. There was no call to kneel for that long, even though the deceased resisted arrest and was under the influence. Don’t kneel on a person until they pass out, and then CONTINUE to kneel on them. That was police brutality even if it was not intentional, and even if the force alone was not enough to kill (though it might have been considering the drugs already weakened the deceased).

That was bad policing, a bad series of mistakes by the deceased, and above all a stupid mistake by the business who called the police. They accepted the counterfeit money and then called the police. $20. A man died, 4 other men’s lives and careers destroyed, and millions in dollars of damages around the country over a matter of $20 fucking dollars. Don’t take counterfeit bills and if you do tough luck, but calling the police won’t solve that problem. In fact, there really are not many problems police do solve. I still want them patrolling the streets but their primary efficiency is deterrence not justice.
20   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 7, 8:41pm  

Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.

“If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3,” Baker told investigators.

In another new document, Baker said, “That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.”
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/04/01/chauvin-defense-docs-floyd-fatal-level-fentanyl-system-matter-n381479

But yeah, he let the crowd distract him. However, Floyd USED THE SAME EXCUSE in his 2019 arrest, but the cops took him to a hospital and let him go, no charges were pressed.
21   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 8:51pm  

AmericanKulak says


However, Floyd USED THE SAME EXCUSE in his 2019 arrest, but the cops took him to a hospital and let him go, no charges were pressed.

Like I said, the police rarely help achieve justice. But I still want them patrolling the streets to at least try to keep people honest. Just stop using force when it isn’t needed!!!
22   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 7, 8:56pm  

I think we should defund the Police - AND the DAs - for about a month (though without police, DA's would have a much harder time charging people) for about a month, even two weeks.
23   richwicks   2022 Jul 7, 8:56pm  

PeopleUnited says


Of course, he obviously did not intend to kill, but he did use excessive force in that he kneeled TOO long, longer than was needed.


He didn't kill George Floyd.

George Floyd died of a drug over dose. He was screaming he couldn't breath when Chauvin attempted to place him in the back of a police car. He was ODing then. A year before the incident, Cauvin did the same thing - he was arrested, downed ALL the drugs he had on him, and ended up in a hospital recovering from an "accidental drug overdose".

This last time, he just wasn't as lucky.

PeopleUnited says

Of course, he obviously did not intend to kill, but he did use excessive force in that he kneeled TOO long, longer than was needed.


Perhaps, I'm saying, that Chauvin didn't kill Floyd. Floyd really did OD.

I bet Chauvin was following his training to the letter.

Is this bad training? Yeah, I would say so. You can thank having the IDF training US police officers. George W. Bush started that bullshit. We're all Palestinians now.

PeopleUnited says


Like I said, the police rarely help achieve justice. But I still want them patrolling the streets to at least try to keep people honest. Just stop using force when it isn’t needed!!!


I can't disagree with you. A better thing to do would have been to handcuff Floyd to the car. Open the window, put a handcuff on one arm and another in the window frame and wait for EMS to show up. That's what should have been done. Floyd would have died anyhow, but this would have restrained him, and wouldn't have looked as bad.
24   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 8:58pm  

AmericanKulak says

I think we should defund the Police - AND the DAs - for about a month (though without police, DA's would have a much harder time charging people) for about a month, even two weeks.

You mean something like this?
25   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 9:18pm  

richwicks says

I bet Chauvin was following his training to the letter.


Well, even the rookie knew that they should have put him on his side. Chauvin in his pride, took the thing too far. What he did was brutal. He allowed the crowd to distract him from what his training, his fellow officers training, and his own senses were telling him. He let the crowd get the best of him.
26   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 7, 9:24pm  

PeopleUnited says


You mean something like this?

Wow that's great.

In reality, I think it would start with some serious shit by criminals, and then they'd get Concord-Lexington'd or just Rooftop Korean'd.

More people are afraid of DA's going after "Vigilantes" rather than the criminals who caused them to act that way. Once they realize the cops ain't coming... it's clean up time.
27   richwicks   2022 Jul 7, 9:24pm  

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says


I bet Chauvin was following his training to the letter.


Well, even the rookie knew that they should have put him on his side. Chauvin in his pride, took the thing too far. What he did was brutal. He allowed the crowd to distract him from what his training, his fellow officers training, and his own senses were telling him. He let the crowd get the best of him.


I would bet $1,000 he was just following his training.

Floyd didn't die because of what Chauvin did, that's the point I'm making. Floyd wasn't suffocated under Chauvin's knee, he died of a drug overdose.
28   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 9:43pm  

Tell it to the judge.

When Chauvin took the deceased into custody, his life was Chauvins responsibility. He was especially vulnerable BECAUSE he was intoxicated. Therefore Chauvin has extra responsibility to watch out for the safety and well-being of the person in his custody. He should have been seeking to prevent his death, instead it appears he ensured it.

After a period of restraint which was appropriate the deceased was defenseless and intoxicated and yet the brutality continued. That is not policing, that is negligence if not execution style gang tactics.

Let’s put it closer to home, do you want a police officer to treat you that way?

“He was just following his training.” Even if it was true it does not justify brutality. If you wouldn’t want to be treated that way it is proof that Chauvin went too far. You know the guards at extermination camps across the world and through the ages were just following their training too. There is no excuse for brutality.
29   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 7, 9:46pm  

richwicks says


Is this bad training? Yeah, I would say so. You can thank having the IDF training US police officers. George W. Bush started that bullshit. We're all Palestinians now.


The most humane police force in history. The Ulster Constublary were damned hands off, but the IRA cursed them while murdering more Catholics than Unionists. They cried about stress positions for bombers caught red-handed while they chopped fingers off 'touts' and shot retarded kids in the head for 'touting', taking them straight out of the school while the cowardly Principal cowered. Hardly a month goes by without another body found in a bog in Ireland dating to the 70s and 80s.

PA propaganda is all BS. When the PA wants a home, usually of a Christian, they tell them they'll either sell for a song or they'll be tortured as Mossad Agents.
30   richwicks   2022 Jul 7, 10:13pm  

AmericanKulak says

The most humane police force in history.


No it isn't.

Remember who is telling you this. This is the same media that is telling you with a straight face that Biden was the most popular president in history, that Iraq had a weapons of mass destruction program, and Trump broke through a gun proof barrier to reach a steering wheel.

You are lied to a lot, and have been for all your life.

Our media promotes the establishment, whatever it is. That's it's function. It's like the intelligence agencies, they strive to support continuance, not justice or reality.

PeopleUnited says

PA propaganda is all BS. When the PA wants a home, usually of a Christian, they tell them they'll either sell for a song or they'll be tortured as Mossad Agents.


Who knows, but I do know a Christian that lost his family's homeland in what is now Israel. He was a good engineer.

Zionism is nothing more than an attempt to make a nation for Jews run by Jews. Just like the KKK wanted to make a nation run by white Anglo-saxon protestants, for the benefit of white Anglo-saxon protestants. It's an identical ideology, just a different race. When I say Zionism is the KKK for Jews, I'm not exaggerating. That's exactly what they are.

How do the Palestinians do propaganda? What's their major outlet? Wolf Blitzer of CNN is ex-AIPAC.

Who cares? It's going to work out anyhow. You can appeal to morality, you can explain the situation, but it doesn't change it.
31   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 10:56pm  

Please fix your quotation above. I did not say “PA propaganda is all BS. When the PA wants a home, usually of a Christian, they tell them they'll either sell for a song or they'll be tortured as Mossad Agents”

That was someone else.

But that being said you have no idea who “the Jews” even are. So it is pointless to even discuss it. Besides that, talking about “the Jews” is like taking about “the Russians,” “the Chinese,” “the Americans,” or “the Christians.” Like labels can tell a story that isn’t full of half truths and blatant lies.

One day soon Israel will likely be attacked by a coalition of Russians, Iranians and Turks. And essentially Israel is destined for trouble until Christ returns.
32   richwicks   2022 Jul 7, 11:05pm  

PeopleUnited says


But that being said you have no idea who “the Jews” even are. So it is pointless to even discuss it.


I'm not talking about Jews.

Israel is a nation for Zionists, not Jews.

PeopleUnited says


esides that, talking about “the Jews” is like taking about “the Russians,” “the Chinese,” “the Americans,” or “the Christians.” Like labels can tell a story that isn’t full of half truths and blatant lies.


Zionists are nothing more than the KKK for Jews.

PeopleUnited says


One day soon Israel will likely be attacked by a coalition of Russians, Iranians and Turks. And essentially Israel is destined for trouble until Christ returns.


I wouldn't blame Russia if they attacked Israel. After all, a bunch of dual nationality Jewish assholes caused trouble in Ukraine. Dual nationality Jewish assholes have caused trouble for us.

These people are intentional assholes, and use the holocaust as a shield. "Poor innocent us!" - they're not innocent. These mother fuckers are no end to trouble and they are the twats that decided to double down on every error to infinity. Eventually, the US will retaliate.

At the end, Ukrainians are going to realize two Jewish Zionist asshole twats brought them into war with Russia. Epstein is a Jewish asshole, he was running a child rape ring to blackmail politicians and people in power. Robert Maxwell was a double agent, for MI4 (I think 4, maybe 3) and Mossad, but also KGB.

These people keep fucking over their host nation, like parasites, and they've been repeatedly kicked out of nations as a result. It's not a problem with the genetics, it's their programming. These mother fuckers are TRAINED to be parasites.

This happens over and over and over again. Next time won't be different. These mother fuckers are just a mafia. Zionism is a racial mafia, a criminal organization. That's all it is. It doesn't mean being Jewish, it's just the Jewish mafia.

It's NOT "jews" it's THOSE "jews". Every group has their mafia. Italians, Russians, Chinese, Japanese. The Jewish mafia runs Israel and they have their tentacles everywhere, and the general Jewish population will pay for it, that's why they make them intentional victims. Mafias are run by sociopaths. Zionists don't give a fuck about Jewish people, they care about themselves, exclusively.
33   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 11:11pm  

Like I said, you have no idea who “the Jews” even are so the conversation is pointless.
34   richwicks   2022 Jul 7, 11:20pm  

PeopleUnited says

Like I said, you have no idea who “the Jews” even are so the conversation is pointless.


I know what Zionists are. You do not.

It doesn't matter, history repeats and rhymes.
35   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 11:30pm  

You have labeled people you don’t know as Zionists and painted with a broad brush to condemn them all. Just like any good propaganda artist/victim would do.
36   richwicks   2022 Jul 7, 11:46pm  

PeopleUnited says


You have labeled people you don’t know as Zionists and painted with a broad brush to condemn them all. Just like any good propaganda artist/victim would do.


No, Zionists are simply a mafia, I don't have to know Al Capone to know he was mafia. I don't need to know Joe Biden to know he's mafia. I can know them though their deeds.

70 years ago, I know it was common for the Poles and Irish to support their local mafia, because the other mafia would attack the other ethnic group, it was a form of racism. Zionists still engage in this shit - everybody else has moved beyond it. Nobody gives a shit about Jews really, until they cause problems, and they are causing problems but it's not really Jews, it's Zionists, their fucking out of control mafia.
37   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 7, 11:58pm  

Of course you used to like Barak and Rachel Madow and have come to see them for who they are. There is still hope for you yet.
38   richwicks   2022 Jul 8, 12:26am  

PeopleUnited says


Of course you used to like Barak


You mean Obama? No. I looked at his voting record. I supported Ron Paul in 2008 and was at a straw poll that was cancelled when he was going to get the vote, they just cancelled it, because the assholes wanted us to vote for Fred Thompson. The primaries are super rigged.

PeopleUnited says


and Rachel Madow and have come to see them for who they are.


She was right about her criticism about the Iraq War. I just didn't know she was a partisan slut. That became obvious she was a partisan slut when she defended every fucking war that Obozo dragged us into - 5 of them. She's a fucking piece of shit, but I didn't realize that when she was just criticizing Bush, as she was CORRECT to do.

PeopleUnited says


There is still hope for you yet.


Believe it or not, I just see what is, without prejudice. I am not entirely free of being propagandized, but I'm more free than most.

I can freely and correctly criticize the Israeli state and I don't mind what people call me, because when I criticize it, I'm correct. You can call me anti-Semite, bigot, racist, faggot, asshole, twat, dickhead, stupid, crazy, propagandized, but what you won't be able to do is show that I'm incorrect. I could be wrong, but I'm 50, and nobody has actually gone through the effort to show I'm wrong. Most people have no fucking idea what is going on, they just yell at you for disagreeing with "their" beliefs - they don't actually form their own beliefs. I'd say less than 10% of the population actually goes through the trouble of forming their own opinions.

When I was 20, I honestly questioned if the people I lived among, were sentient. Asking that question though leads to the next question - am I? Am I just a mechanism that is programmed to dig deeper? It's a conundrum.

I have said at least twice I envy your faith. You're not troubled. I am. I understand what it means that "when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you" - that that means is I can see thousands, maybe millions of years, and I'm not a part of that. I'm a tiny portion of that, for maybe 70, perhaps 100 years at max? It's truly impossible to imagine the gulf of time when you're this tiny bit of it. You don't think it ends, but for me, I've been thrashed in hard science and critical thinking to the point that I have to conclude this is just my little time. You never really look into that abyss. You see a future if you ever do because of your religious faith, I don't.
39   PeopleUnited   2022 Jul 8, 12:51am  

richwicks says

I could be wrong, but I'm 50, and nobody has actually gone through the effort to show I'm wrong.


I would try, but this is what I really think (since you said I could say whatever I want)

King James Version
Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/Proverbs/23/9richwicks says

When I was 20, I honestly questioned if the people I lived among, were sentient. Asking that question though leads to the next question - am I? Am I just a mechanism that is programmed to dig deeper? It's a conundrum.


Like I said:

King James Version
Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/Proverbs/23/9

Or here is how Cheers put it:

Quote from Diane in I'll Be Seeing You, Part 2
Diane: I want you to know something. Ever since we've known each other, I've said to myself, "One day, we are going to get down to the real you." Well, we did it. Do you know what the difference is between you and a fat, braying ass?
Sam: Nope.
Diane: The fat, braying ass would.

I say it with all due respect... I generally don’t discuss much with you because you are a know it all. And yet you know what I would consider nothing. That is, what you know is just not so.

But again I say it with all due respect. You are entitled to live in ignorance, under the guise of intellect and many here are impressed by your largesse and plethora of words. Congratulations!
40   richwicks   2022 Jul 8, 1:01am  

PeopleUnited says


I say it with all due respect... I generally don’t discuss much with you because you are a know it all.


Haha, I don't know fucking anything.

I present my thinking in an attempt to get pushback. I want pushback. I pushback as well though. I cannot determine if I'm incorrect unless I have enough information to form that opinion, if who I am talking with has different axioms, we end up with an impasse. This is why I push constantly for original sources of how people form their thinking.

PeopleUnited says


And yet you know what I would consider nothing. That is, what you know is just not so.


I've said it many times before, I envy your ability to have faith. That was stripped from me. You don't appreciate how people lose their religious faith, they don't lose it because they just want to dump it and be free of it, it's chipped away, I was given logical paths of thinking where I could see how life could form. I understand how evolutionary psychology works, how it works not just among people but among all social animals. I understand how animal models in animal research are useful in human biology. I know how an evolutionary algorithm and neural network works.

But the thread I hang by is we cannot duplicate consciousness. We can make a machine that is better at recognizing human writing than a human being is able to recognize it, but we don't understand creativity or awareness. We are no closer to understanding this than we were 30 years ago. We have no idea how to give a machine motivation or creativity. We can only make it recognize patterns at best, mostly we use it to do random trials to do something efficiently. No AI "thinks". It has a task, but we have absolutely no idea how to make it actually ponder, wonder, or anything like that. It's clearly a machine. They are not sentient.

PeopleUnited says


But again I say it with all due respect. You are entitled to live in ignorance, under the guise of intellect


Intellect? I just know a lot of bullshit and I'm not certain what I "know" is true either, I'm just convinced it is.

It's a real puzzle and no man has ever figured it out, and I accept I won't either, but it's a puzzle. We get more and more data, but are we 1% there? 5% there? 50%? OR is this a dead end of investigation? You, I think, would say it's a dead end. I hope you're right in that, honestly. Better that just I am damned than everything and everybody. For me, the end of my life is the existence I had 100 years ago, oblivion. I don't fear 1960 - 11 years before I was born, but 2060.. Frustrating my meat mind fears it. I feel a need to overcome my programming.

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