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HunterTits says

Esp now that Russia just began mobilizing 10,000 tanks to deploy down in Ukraine.

I believe those are T-62 which are severely outdated (they stopped producing them in earl 70's). I did not expect that Russians will run out of semi-modern weapons that quickly. They now arm Donbas mobilized with Mosin-Nagant rifles!!!

There were a few Patnetters who predicted that (1) Russia will not attack Ukraine, and (2) when they attacked, claimed that all will be over first in few days, then in few weeks. Did not work out.

Most likely outcome of this is a prolonged bloody mess for both Russians and Ukrainians.

RWSGFY says

In exchange to what? A treaty? Security guarantees? Didn't they already have plenty of these? How did it work out for them?

Yes they did.

Ukraine broke their obligations with Russia after the CIA overthrew their government.

Russia spent 8 fucking years trying to negotiate with the TRAITORS that took control of the nation.

They wouldn't negotiate so here we are.

BTW the US regularly causes starvation where it goes to war. Look at Yemen.

Tired of your fake concern, fake ignorance, fake humanity.

What is happening in Ukraine is typical Neocon US intervention and it's so fucking bad even Kissinger is speaking out against it. That asshole supported Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

I was 200 percent wrong that Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine, thought it was empty sword rattling as usual. However, I think that once in they will achieve their goals.

Russia has earned a lot of well deserved hatred, as has the Unites States, so I can understand all the knee jerk Russia opposition and dislike. However, I also think Russia, either by intent, accidentally or coincidentally, may save our world by stopping the criminal machinations of the NWO which seem to have made Kazakhstan and Ukraine the Grand Central Station of their operations. These are the areas that have completely corrupted our loathsome politicians and turned them into liars, thieves, traitors, subversives and shallow opportunists destroying their own country and people. This is where they launder all that fiat money that comes back in waterfalls to propagandize us and undermine our political/economic process.

Remember, up to just a short while ago, nobody even knew about or acknowledged all those bioweapons labs across Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Those labs aren't just intended for Russia and Asia, they are eventually targeted at us. It took the invasion to bring it to light of publicity. Kissinger is not wise, he is evil. He wants to preserve his life's work with the insane NWO/WEF etc.

If Kissinger is telling you to back off, and not be a "Mad Man"...

My ex bro in law worked under Eagleburger. He said that nobody wanted to deal with or interface with Kissinger, Eagleburger was one of the few.

One of Trump's late administration acts was to kick Kissinger and Albright out of offices in the Pentagon. One wonders what the living fuck the unelected and un-appointed were doing in there to begin with. Neocon steering committee?

HunterTits says

Esp now that Russia just began mobilizing 10,000 tanks to deploy down in Ukraine

Link?
How many of those are even usable, and if so they won't last long.

zzyzzx says

Link?

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14/status/1528488648638926853#m

HunterTits says

Outdated against what? The M1 Abrams or Leopard 2s the Ukranians are (not) fielding?

RPG-7/16 etc which are available to all warring parties in abundance. It would be difficult to kill T-90 or modernized T-72 but they may work well on older tanks. BTW those RPG were available on "free" market in E. Europe in early 90-s.

So on the negotiated settlement side we have:
Chomsky
Trump
Kissinger

EBGuy says

So on the negotiated settlement side we have:
Chomsky
Trump
Kissinger

But there is not much money for death vultures in a negotiated settlement yet. The 40 billion just got approved. It needs to get into bank accounts before there can be serious talks about negotiations and peace.

EBGuy says

So on the negotiated settlement side we have:
Chomsky
Trump
Kissinger

Trump has said on record that he would have sent jets and more to Ukraine (2.05 in video). I suppose after Russian ass has been kicked, it would be time to negotiate...on not Russian terms.

https://rumble.com/vy31kp-trump-says-us-needs-to-get-off-the-sidelines-in-ukraines-fight-for-survival.html

Patnetters should listen more to what Trump says, he has been quite pro-Ukrainian. This is quite an illuminating interview, which will of course be dismissed by many here. Perhaps Trump has become a CRISIS ACTOR! or it is ADVANCED CGI! or he has been threatened with MONKEY POX!

So if my neighbor decides to start kidnapping my children, kills some and destroys my garage, I should give him my yard so he will stop?

How about Ukraine keeps fucking up the hapless Russian losers, let Putin keep sending them into the meat grinder until he’s assassinated.

clambo says

How about Ukraine keeps fucking up the hapless Russian losers, let Putin keep sending them into the meat grinder until he’s assassinated.

Don't disagree with this sentiment. Ukraine is no knight in shining armor ethically, legally and diplomacy though either. I wouldn't hitch my horses to either buggy. Honestly just let them kill each other as harsh as that sounds. Keep an eye on it getting out of control and grab the popcorn for the time being.

clambo says

o if my neighbor decides to start kidnapping my children, kills some and destroys my garage, I should give him my yard so he will stop?

That seems fairly apt analogy for the northern incursion. However, the east has been in a low grade civil war for 8 years.

Bd6r says

EBGuy says

So on the negotiated settlement side we have:
Chomsky
Trump
Kissinger

Trump has said on record that he would have sent jets and more to Ukraine (2.05 in video). I suppose after Russian ass has been kicked, it would be time to negotiate...on not Russian terms.

https://rumble.com/vy31kp-trump-says-us-needs-to-get-off-the-sidelines-in-ukraines-fight-for-survival.html

Patnetters should listen more to what Trump says, he has been quite pro-Ukrainian. This is quite an illuminating interview, which will of course be dismissed by many here. Perhaps Trump has become a CRISIS ACTOR! or it is ADVANCED CGI! or he has been threatened with MONKEY POX!

i do listen to him. when he was in office there was peace. Biden is a shithole president. preventing war is a lot easier than winning it. biden did not prevent it, literal shithole asshole senile potato.

Even YouTube and Wikipedia are reporting Russia using T-62 tanks in Ukraine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-62

Bd6r says

Patnetters should listen more to what Trump says

Nah, they'd rather agree with that Ocasio-Cortez cunt if it confirms their (rather inexplicable) hots for Putler, LOL.

HunterTits says

Bd6r says

I believe those are T-62 which are severely outdated (they stopped producing them in earl 70's). I did not expect that Russians will run out of semi-modern weapons that quickly.

Outdated against what? The M1 Abrams or Leopard 2s the Ukranians are (not) fielding?

T-62s are outdated against pretty much everyting. No reactive armor, weak 115mm cannon, it's fucking pathetic really.

Def-ly outdated against Stugna/Javelin/NLAW/T-64BM/T-72 (AMT/M/M1/M1R) and even fucking BTR-4.

If Trump had been in office he would have engaged militarily which is why Russia didn’t invade while he was in office.

When you elect oat meal for brains because you don’t like mean tweets, well… elections have consequences.

pudil says

If Trump had been in office he would have engaged militarily which is why Russia didn’t invade while he was in office.

They tried to shit test him on this subject exactly once, which lead to a shimpent of 160 Javelin tubes going to Ukraine and bunch of USMC V-22 Ospreys flying over Kyiv. Pedo Vlad went quiet and stayed quiet until he saw the brilliant withdrawal from Afgh.

Eric Holder says

HunterTits says

Bd6r says

I believe those are T-62 which are severely outdated (they stopped producing them in earl 70's). I did not expect that Russians will run out of semi-modern weapons that quickly.

Outdated against what? The M1 Abrams or Leopard 2s the Ukranians are (not) fielding?

T-62s are outdated against pretty much everyting. No reactive armor, weak 115mm cannon, it's fucking pathetic really.

Def-ly outdated against Stugna/Javelin/NLAW/T-64BM/T-72 (AMT/M/M1/M1R) and even fucking BTR-4.

But they have a fucking shitload of them.

Eric Holder says

T-62s are outdated against pretty much everyting. No reactive armor, weak 115mm cannon, it's fucking pathetic really.

Exactly the reason for the 2nd amendment! Everyone should be allowed to own a panzerfaust if they can't afford a modern antitank missile, just in case.

pudil says

When you installl oat meal for brains behind a barbed wire fence surrounded by 10,000 troops after a faking an election, well… coups have consequences.

Fixed it for you.

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

T-62s are outdated against pretty much everyting. No reactive armor, weak 115mm cannon, it's fucking pathetic really.

Exactly the reason for the 2nd amendment! Everyone should be allowed to own a panzerfaust if they can't afford a modern antitank missile, just in case.

No argument from me except the number of people able to
afford one of these to be lying around just in case a T-62 shows up on our shores is probably low hundreds of thousands.

Eric Holder says

Bd6r says

Patnetters should listen more to what Trump says

Nah, they'd rather agree with that Ocasio-Cortez cunt if it confirms their (rather inexplicable) hots for Putler, LOL.

She voted for the $40 billion in bribes, I mean "aid" to Ukraine.

You're on her side. Only republicans voted against the bribery/kickback scheme.

richwicks says

bribery/kickback scheme.

Post proof of bribery/kickbacks scheme in the lend-lease act or GTFO. It's easy to post bullshit propaganda.

RWSGFY says

richwicks says

bribery/kickback scheme.

Post proof of bribery/kickbacks scheme in the lend-lease act or GTFO. It's easy to post bullshit propaganda.

He's busy waiting for the fact check on that heaven joke, so this will have to wait.

RWSGFY says

richwicks says

bribery/kickback scheme.

Post proof of bribery/kickbacks scheme in the lend-lease act or GTFO. It's easy to post bullshit propaganda.

original link


US "aid" is always this. Do you think Hunter Biden was getting $50,000 a month from Burisma for a fucking job he was doing? You think Ihor Kolomoyskyi was actually paying for it?

The US model is to fuck things up in a country, support powerful and rich people through bullshit aid, and since they are patting their back, they get money back themselves. The only people that get fucked in this is all the people being killed, and the US taxpayer.

Really, it doesn't matter how obvious it is, you'll still deny it. You're pro corruption, and so is our government. I can, and have, posted Nuland's phone call where she was picking out the next leader of Ukraine - showing that Ukraine had been sold to the United States as a banana republic - people just deny the phone call has any relevance. There's a level of stupidity I can't overcome. If you deny your own observations, what is to be done? If you hear a Russian doing the same and then having Ukraine taken over, you'd think Russia instigated the coup - and you know what? You'd be right. Same thing with a Chinese "diplomat".

clambo says

So if my neighbor decides to start kidnapping my children, kills some and destroys my garage, I should give him my yard so he will stop?

Sometimes the Danes do stop coming if you pay the Danegeld. Pechenegs also.

Sometimes long enough to mail up your yeomanry or hire some Normans.

One hears about the times it fails, but not the many times it worked.

clambo says

So if my neighbor decides to start kidnapping my children, kills some and destroys my garage, I should give him my yard so he will stop?

Yes, unless you can defeat him, otherwise your kids are screwed and they'll burn down your house.

Is that fair? No, it's no fair at all. Oh well, life isn't fair. Might makes right, just ask an Iraqi, they gave up, and were right to do so. There's no purpose in fighting a war you cannot possibly win - it just gets more people killed.

Ukraine may end up in a genocide because most of the men of 18 and above are killed and for what? Because a Zionist puppet under a Zionist oligarch under the thumb of the US intelligence agencies won't allow Ukraine to remain neutral?

Our nation is so fucked up now, that if a nuclear bomb took out a major city, at least 25% of the population would think it was a false flag attack at this point. Fact don't matter anymore, because our government has no credibility at this point.

The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/melian.htm

This is why classical education is important.

HunterTits says

No he would not. Ukraine is not a US problem. The sanctions is all he would have done. Maybe made a few phone calls to Europe that would have been like, "You so worried now, then you fork up the $$$$ and send your kids to go fight."

Yeah, I think this is what he actually would do, or hope he would anyhow. NATO should have been disbanded.

Remember, Trump was first impeached for looking into corruption within Ukraine because there's a shitload of corruption in Ukraine. It wasn't just with Hunter/Joe Biden.

HunterTits says

RWSGFY says

But they have a fucking shitload of them.

Exactly.

On the other hand, they were caught running tanks with 2-men crews. But wait, T-62 doesn't have an autoloader, so it's 3 men minimum. But wait, the commander can't fully control the gun, so it's 4 people.

If you didn't have enough tankers 3 month ago even with newest t-72/90 sporting French night vision, active armor and glorios coping cages on top of them riding to parade in Kyiv, finding enough idiots to hop into a 50 y.o. tank fresh from the mothballs and drive into the grinder of Eastern Ukraine battlefields could be a challenge even in a low-IQ country. The thing can be fried with a fucking RPG-7, for fuck's sake, no need to bother St. Javelin and St. NLAW.

It's getting bizarre.

HunterTits says

Ukraine is toast. Period

We've heard that for last 3 months. First a few days and they are toast, then a few weeks, etc. Not toast yet.
Edit: to clarify, I think in longer term both Ukraine and Russia will be toast. Ukr because of infrastructure destruction, Rusdia may have a revolution/civil war if this continues.

Bd6r says

HunterTits says

Ukraine is toast. Period

We've heard that for last 3 months. First a few days and they are toast, then a few weeks, etc. Not toast yet.

BUT NOW THAT GLORIOUS T-62s HAVE ENTERED THE BATTLE IT'S A MATTER OF HOURS, NOT DAYS!!!

RWSGFY says

BUT NOW THAT GLORIOUS T-62s HAVE ENTERED THE BATTLE IT'S A MATTER OF HOURS, NOT DAYS!!

DID YOU SEE RUSSIANS ARMED WITH THEM MOSIN NAGANT RIFLES? A SURE SIGN THAT UKRAINE IS DEAD!

Bd6r says

HunterTits says

Ukraine is toast. Period

We've heard that for last 3 months. First a few days and they are toast, then a few weeks, etc. Not toast yet.

Is time on Russia's side or Ukraine's and their ally predator's side?

Sanctions aren't hurting Russia, Russia actually went to a quasi-gold standard to directly take on London and NY's manipulation of the metal and their currency, Europe is cutting off Russian energy driving up the value of energy not just for themselves but for Russia as well - Europe is dependent on Ukraine's food production, not Russia, Europe needs natural gas for heating, Russia has plenty of it.

I don't think Russia is just trying to get Ukraine to stay out of NATO and stop bombing Eastern Ukraine - right now, they are directly challenging all of Europe by allowing THEM to shoot themselves (and especially their citizens) in the foot. Europe need's Russia's energy, and frankly, even if Europe was able to defeat Russia entirely, they'd be screwing themselves then. The Europeans are going to be feeling the cold in about 4 months, and I don't think this war will be over by then. Russia is going to make this a war of attrition.

richwicks says

time on Russia's side or Ukraine's and their ally predator's side?

Neither, the question is who will collapse faster.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

time on Russia's side or Ukraine's and their ally predator's side?

Neither, the question is who will collapse faster.

Russia can continue this forever. Ukraine is 603,628 square km. Texas is 695,662 - it's not a small country but Ukraine, nor Europe makes anything that Russia needs. Do you really think that having McDonald's and Pornhub withdrawl from the nation is hurting them in any way? Raising the price of energy sure isn't. Russia is better off today than they were a year ago.

Russia and Ukraine DO make things that Europe needs. Food and energy.

richwicks says

Russia is better off today than they were a year ago.

Why didn't they do all this beneficial to them shit (minus the war) a year ago if it is sooo good for them? Or 10 years ago?