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Bd6r says

Patnetters should listen more to what Trump says

Nah, they'd rather agree with that Ocasio-Cortez cunt if it confirms their (rather inexplicable) hots for Putler, LOL.

HunterTits says

Bd6r says

I believe those are T-62 which are severely outdated (they stopped producing them in earl 70's). I did not expect that Russians will run out of semi-modern weapons that quickly.

Outdated against what? The M1 Abrams or Leopard 2s the Ukranians are (not) fielding?

T-62s are outdated against pretty much everyting. No reactive armor, weak 115mm cannon, it's fucking pathetic really.

Def-ly outdated against Stugna/Javelin/NLAW/T-64BM/T-72 (AMT/M/M1/M1R) and even fucking BTR-4.

If Trump had been in office he would have engaged militarily which is why Russia didn’t invade while he was in office.

When you elect oat meal for brains because you don’t like mean tweets, well… elections have consequences.

pudil says

If Trump had been in office he would have engaged militarily which is why Russia didn’t invade while he was in office.

They tried to shit test him on this subject exactly once, which lead to a shimpent of 160 Javelin tubes going to Ukraine and bunch of USMC V-22 Ospreys flying over Kyiv. Pedo Vlad went quiet and stayed quiet until he saw the brilliant withdrawal from Afgh.

Eric Holder says

HunterTits says

Bd6r says

I believe those are T-62 which are severely outdated (they stopped producing them in earl 70's). I did not expect that Russians will run out of semi-modern weapons that quickly.

Outdated against what? The M1 Abrams or Leopard 2s the Ukranians are (not) fielding?

T-62s are outdated against pretty much everyting. No reactive armor, weak 115mm cannon, it's fucking pathetic really.

Def-ly outdated against Stugna/Javelin/NLAW/T-64BM/T-72 (AMT/M/M1/M1R) and even fucking BTR-4.

But they have a fucking shitload of them.

Eric Holder says

T-62s are outdated against pretty much everyting. No reactive armor, weak 115mm cannon, it's fucking pathetic really.

Exactly the reason for the 2nd amendment! Everyone should be allowed to own a panzerfaust if they can't afford a modern antitank missile, just in case.

pudil says

When you installl oat meal for brains behind a barbed wire fence surrounded by 10,000 troops after a faking an election, well… coups have consequences.

Fixed it for you.

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

T-62s are outdated against pretty much everyting. No reactive armor, weak 115mm cannon, it's fucking pathetic really.

Exactly the reason for the 2nd amendment! Everyone should be allowed to own a panzerfaust if they can't afford a modern antitank missile, just in case.

No argument from me except the number of people able to
afford one of these to be lying around just in case a T-62 shows up on our shores is probably low hundreds of thousands.

Eric Holder says

Bd6r says

Patnetters should listen more to what Trump says

Nah, they'd rather agree with that Ocasio-Cortez cunt if it confirms their (rather inexplicable) hots for Putler, LOL.

She voted for the $40 billion in bribes, I mean "aid" to Ukraine.

You're on her side. Only republicans voted against the bribery/kickback scheme.

richwicks says

bribery/kickback scheme.

Post proof of bribery/kickbacks scheme in the lend-lease act or GTFO. It's easy to post bullshit propaganda.

RWSGFY says

richwicks says

bribery/kickback scheme.

Post proof of bribery/kickbacks scheme in the lend-lease act or GTFO. It's easy to post bullshit propaganda.

He's busy waiting for the fact check on that heaven joke, so this will have to wait.

RWSGFY says

richwicks says

bribery/kickback scheme.

Post proof of bribery/kickbacks scheme in the lend-lease act or GTFO. It's easy to post bullshit propaganda.

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US "aid" is always this. Do you think Hunter Biden was getting $50,000 a month from Burisma for a fucking job he was doing? You think Ihor Kolomoyskyi was actually paying for it?

The US model is to fuck things up in a country, support powerful and rich people through bullshit aid, and since they are patting their back, they get money back themselves. The only people that get fucked in this is all the people being killed, and the US taxpayer.

Really, it doesn't matter how obvious it is, you'll still deny it. You're pro corruption, and so is our government. I can, and have, posted Nuland's phone call where she was picking out the next leader of Ukraine - showing that Ukraine had been sold to the United States as a banana republic - people just deny the phone call has any relevance. There's a level of stupidity I can't overcome. If you deny your own observations, what is to be done? If you hear a Russian doing the same and then having Ukraine taken over, you'd think Russia instigated the coup - and you know what? You'd be right. Same thing with a Chinese "diplomat".

clambo says

So if my neighbor decides to start kidnapping my children, kills some and destroys my garage, I should give him my yard so he will stop?

Sometimes the Danes do stop coming if you pay the Danegeld. Pechenegs also.

Sometimes long enough to mail up your yeomanry or hire some Normans.

One hears about the times it fails, but not the many times it worked.

clambo says

So if my neighbor decides to start kidnapping my children, kills some and destroys my garage, I should give him my yard so he will stop?

Yes, unless you can defeat him, otherwise your kids are screwed and they'll burn down your house.

Is that fair? No, it's no fair at all. Oh well, life isn't fair. Might makes right, just ask an Iraqi, they gave up, and were right to do so. There's no purpose in fighting a war you cannot possibly win - it just gets more people killed.

Ukraine may end up in a genocide because most of the men of 18 and above are killed and for what? Because a Zionist puppet under a Zionist oligarch under the thumb of the US intelligence agencies won't allow Ukraine to remain neutral?

Our nation is so fucked up now, that if a nuclear bomb took out a major city, at least 25% of the population would think it was a false flag attack at this point. Fact don't matter anymore, because our government has no credibility at this point.

The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/melian.htm

This is why classical education is important.

HunterTits says

No he would not. Ukraine is not a US problem. The sanctions is all he would have done. Maybe made a few phone calls to Europe that would have been like, "You so worried now, then you fork up the $$$$ and send your kids to go fight."

Yeah, I think this is what he actually would do, or hope he would anyhow. NATO should have been disbanded.

Remember, Trump was first impeached for looking into corruption within Ukraine because there's a shitload of corruption in Ukraine. It wasn't just with Hunter/Joe Biden.

HunterTits says

RWSGFY says

But they have a fucking shitload of them.

Exactly.

On the other hand, they were caught running tanks with 2-men crews. But wait, T-62 doesn't have an autoloader, so it's 3 men minimum. But wait, the commander can't fully control the gun, so it's 4 people.

If you didn't have enough tankers 3 month ago even with newest t-72/90 sporting French night vision, active armor and glorios coping cages on top of them riding to parade in Kyiv, finding enough idiots to hop into a 50 y.o. tank fresh from the mothballs and drive into the grinder of Eastern Ukraine battlefields could be a challenge even in a low-IQ country. The thing can be fried with a fucking RPG-7, for fuck's sake, no need to bother St. Javelin and St. NLAW.

It's getting bizarre.

HunterTits says

Ukraine is toast. Period

We've heard that for last 3 months. First a few days and they are toast, then a few weeks, etc. Not toast yet.
Edit: to clarify, I think in longer term both Ukraine and Russia will be toast. Ukr because of infrastructure destruction, Rusdia may have a revolution/civil war if this continues.

Bd6r says

HunterTits says

Ukraine is toast. Period

We've heard that for last 3 months. First a few days and they are toast, then a few weeks, etc. Not toast yet.

BUT NOW THAT GLORIOUS T-62s HAVE ENTERED THE BATTLE IT'S A MATTER OF HOURS, NOT DAYS!!!

RWSGFY says

BUT NOW THAT GLORIOUS T-62s HAVE ENTERED THE BATTLE IT'S A MATTER OF HOURS, NOT DAYS!!

DID YOU SEE RUSSIANS ARMED WITH THEM MOSIN NAGANT RIFLES? A SURE SIGN THAT UKRAINE IS DEAD!

Bd6r says

HunterTits says

Ukraine is toast. Period

We've heard that for last 3 months. First a few days and they are toast, then a few weeks, etc. Not toast yet.

Is time on Russia's side or Ukraine's and their ally predator's side?

Sanctions aren't hurting Russia, Russia actually went to a quasi-gold standard to directly take on London and NY's manipulation of the metal and their currency, Europe is cutting off Russian energy driving up the value of energy not just for themselves but for Russia as well - Europe is dependent on Ukraine's food production, not Russia, Europe needs natural gas for heating, Russia has plenty of it.

I don't think Russia is just trying to get Ukraine to stay out of NATO and stop bombing Eastern Ukraine - right now, they are directly challenging all of Europe by allowing THEM to shoot themselves (and especially their citizens) in the foot. Europe need's Russia's energy, and frankly, even if Europe was able to defeat Russia entirely, they'd be screwing themselves then. The Europeans are going to be feeling the cold in about 4 months, and I don't think this war will be over by then. Russia is going to make this a war of attrition.

richwicks says

time on Russia's side or Ukraine's and their ally predator's side?

Neither, the question is who will collapse faster.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

time on Russia's side or Ukraine's and their ally predator's side?

Neither, the question is who will collapse faster.

Russia can continue this forever. Ukraine is 603,628 square km. Texas is 695,662 - it's not a small country but Ukraine, nor Europe makes anything that Russia needs. Do you really think that having McDonald's and Pornhub withdrawl from the nation is hurting them in any way? Raising the price of energy sure isn't. Russia is better off today than they were a year ago.

Russia and Ukraine DO make things that Europe needs. Food and energy.

richwicks says

Russia is better off today than they were a year ago.

Why didn't they do all this beneficial to them shit (minus the war) a year ago if it is sooo good for them? Or 10 years ago?

richwicks says

Russia can continue this forever.

We already heard here that Ukraine will collapse in a few days. How did that work out?

Bd6r says

RWSGFY says

BUT NOW THAT GLORIOUS T-62s HAVE ENTERED THE BATTLE IT'S A MATTER OF HOURS, NOT DAYS!!

DID YOU SEE RUSSIANS ARMED WITH THEM MOSIN NAGANT RIFLES? A SURE SIGN THAT UKRAINE IS DEAD!

THAT RIFLE HAS SIGHTS MARKED UP TO 2000 YARDS!!!! IT MEANS EVERYBODY DEAD IN A MILE AND A QUARTER CIRCLE AROUND IT!!!!!!

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Russia is better off today than they were a year ago.

Why didn't they do all this beneficial to them shit (minus the war) a year ago if it is sooo good for them? Or 10 years ago?

They were trying to cooperate and play nice with the West - they've been trying to do this for 2 decades. They wanted to expand markets, do manufacturing for Europe, etc. That window is now closed with this war, for a decade at least.

Russia just kept getting shit on over and over again. The Skripal's are a good example of that which was some of the most blatant stupid propaganda I've seen coming from the West, and I've seen a lot of it. Anything and everything has been done to vilify Russia, even "Russia hacked our election", because a blood soaked Neocon war whore wasn't elected, and despite how OBVIOUSLY false this was, our entire intelligence community went along with it, and an entire political party went along with it, and 1/2 of another political party.

Russia was trying to negotiate with terrorists for a long long time. I mean look at the people that run the United States. They just tried to force everybody in the country (and got a significant number of them to go along with it) to get an experimental injection that was useless against a MINOR disease which they claimed was a pandemic. They're just fucking criminals.

https://www.audacy.com/wcbs880/news/local/bk-half-marathon-runner-dies-after-collapsing-at-finish-line

There's no point in trying to work with or negotiate with these people. WE have to deal with them too.

Russia is just going to withdraw from the world stage as much as possible, and it will be the WEST setting up a new Iron Curtain. In the 1980's I saw what Pravda and Izvestia wrote, it was LAUGHABLE - my great aunt was fluent in Polish and she could tell us what was written. Our foolish propaganda is even more laughable. Russia won't have to shut off media from the West, but the West will have to shut off media from Russia - they're already doing it.

We're the new USSR. Clue in.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Russia is better off today than they were a year ago.

Why didn't they do all this beneficial to them shit (minus the war) a year ago if it is sooo good for them? Or 10 years ago?

They were trying to cooperate and play nice with the West - they've been trying to do this for 2 decades. They wanted to expand markets, do manufacturing for Europe, etc. That window is now closed with this war, for a decade at least.

Why do that if being closed and isolated makes them "better off than a year ago"? Makes no logical sense. Are you really an engineer or just stayed at Motel 6 once?

Eric Holder says

THAT RIFLE HAS SIGHTS MARKED UP TO 2000 YARDS!!!! IT MEANS EVERYBODY DEAD IN A MILE AND A QUARTER CIRCLE AROUND IT!!!!!!

Offtopic but I enjoy shooting vintage rifles. I have k31 and have shot Mauser and they are a pleasure to shoot. I might buy a Swedish mauser if my Exxon stock keeps going up.

Eric Holder says

Why do that if being closed and isolated makes them "better off than a year ago"?

I'm talking about the people of Russia - not the people who have the greatest influence in Russia - the oligarchy.

It's the same in this country. Our government doesn't start wars to advantage this nation, it starts wars to advantage a few corporations that control the government. IF we ever face a real existential threat that threatens these corporations and their owners, suddenly, they'll start promoting policies that protect this nation rather than exploits it. Russia is now in the position, where instead of expanding their power and influence, they are protecting what they have instead, even losing a bit to protect it.

This war does NOT favor the oligarchy of Russia, but they can't expand anyhow, it's pointless, it's obvious it's pointless.

Eric Holder says

Makes no logical sense. Are you really an engineer or just stayed at Motel 6 once?

I'm not a simpleton that thinks that governments represent the interests of the citizens of a country. You apparently are.

Why do you think the Southern border is open and we have illegal immigrants? Is this for the benefit of this nation? No, it's to make a new slave labor class - it's NOT just about how people vote. It's so corporations can avoid minimum wage laws because their illegal workers don't pay income tax and they don't pay social security tax. Does this help Americans? No - it helps corporations. Trump had a 2 year time frame in which the republicans controlled both houses of Congress, why wasn't there reform, why wasn't the wall built? Republican leadership just takes orders, they don't control policy, corporations do.

Every "stupid" thing our government does, magically seems to work in favor of some corporate interest. Gee, the 2 year lockdown, who did that advantage? Well, no large corporation was bothered by it. There was a 5 TRILLION dollar "covid relief bill", if every Americans got the full amount of $1,200 (woo!) that means 330 million * $1,200 = 0.396 trillion dollars - that is if EVERY American received the maximum amount, and most people received nothing. Where's the other $4.6 trillion gone off to? Think it went to corporations? Why do you think airlines weren't screaming about the bullshit that was this "pandemic", or Aramco wasn't, or Exxon, or Hollyweird, etc? They were all paid off.

HunterTits says

pudil says

If Trump had been in office he would have engaged militarily which is why Russia didn’t invade while he was in office.

When you elect oat meal for brains because you don’t like mean tweets, well… elections have consequences.

No he would not. Ukraine is not a US problem. The sanctions is all he would have done. Maybe made a few phone calls to Europe that would have been like, "You so worried now, then you fork up the $$$$ and send your kids to go fight."

that assumes our government cares about us. they don’t. they don’t represent us. global wars are wars for ultra wealthy, we are used like pawns in their games. 40 billion was no problem. while america crumbles.

The 40 billion dollar check has cleared, they don't need Ukraine anymore.

Tenpoundbass says

The 40 billion dollar check has cleared, they don't need Ukraine anymore.

Sure they do - in a few more months there will be another $40 billion (or more) to launder in "aid". Afghanistan went on for 20 years, even though there was no mission objective. Why do you think Bribem is urging Zelenskyy not to negotiate? The United States engages in war for profit, exclusively. Just stick taxpayers with the bill and morons cheer it on.

The criminals that run the United States will drag this war out for as long as possible. It's unfortunate that possibly every healthy man of fighting age in Ukraine will be killed, but and it will cost US taxpayers trillions of dollars, and it threatens World War III - but what are you going to do? Besides in 8 years you'll own nothing and be happy anyhow. Go to your slaughter sheep and bring your kids and grandchildren with you. You have your short remaining span of your life to worry about.