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Russian Black Sea Fleet is practically neutered.


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2022 May 9, 11:06am   25,821 views  259 comments

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After the dramatic sinking of the missile-cruiser Moskva by a Ukrainian missile battery on April 14, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is down to just three major surface combatants. The best and most important of them might be the new missile-frigate Admiral Makarov.
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On Thursday and Friday there were reports the Ukrainians had landed a blow with a Neptune and the frigate was on fire. There was no immediate hard evidence to back up the rumors, although one blurry video that circulated online does seem to depict a warship in flames.

Commissioned in 2017, Admiral Makarov is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class. All three of the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates belong to the Black Sea Fleet. Armed with 24 Buk medium-range surface-to-air missiles and eight Kalibr cruise missiles, all in vertical cells, the frigates can escort other vessels and also attack targets on land.

Admiral Makarov and her sisters are not big ships. Displacing just 4,000 tons of water and accommodating 200 crew, they’re less than half the size of the U.S. Navy’s main surface combatants, the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

But the frigates are about as big as Russia can make a non-nuclear surface combatant these days, for reasons that—ironically—have everything to do with the current war. Throughout the Soviet era and for years after the USSR’s collapse, Russia acquired its big marine engines from Ukraine.

After Russia in 2014 invaded and annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula—including the port of Sevastopol where Admiral Makarov now is based—Kyiv barred certain exports to Russia, including the marine engines Russia requires for any fast, conventional vessel displacing more than 5,000 tons or so.

Which is to say, after 2014 the Russian navy struggled to build big warships. That made it impossible to replace, like for like, the biggest Soviet-vintage ships such as Moskva, which displaced 12,000 tons.

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Moskva’s sinking, along with the earlier destruction of the Black Sea Fleet landing ship Saratov following an apparent hit by a Ukrainian ballistic missile, spooked fleet commanders. They pulled back the surviving surface ships.

Many, including one Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate—it’s not clear which—were moored in Sevastopol as recently as Thursday. When the warships do sail from Crimea, they tend to stay 100 miles or so from the Ukrainian coast, potentially keeping them beyond the range of Kyiv’s Neptunes.

Keeping at a safe distance meant the frigates apparently were in no position to help when the Ukrainian navy last week mounted a furious drone assault on the Russian garrison on Snake Island. The tiny hunk of rock, 25 miles off the coast of southwestern Ukraine, helped Kyiv assert some control over the western Black Sea—until the Russians captured it on the first full day of the current war on Feb. 24.

Ukrainian TB-2 drones knocked out Russian air-defenses on the island then went hunting deeper at sea. On Monday, a TB-2 struck two Russian Raptor-class patrol boats with laser-guided missiles, heavily damaging if not destroying both of the 55-foot boats as they motored toward Snake Island.

Without the protection of a frigate, the Raptors were sitting ducks. In that sense, sinking Moskva—and scaring off the rest of the Black Sea Fleet’s major combatants—was as good as sinking the frigates, too. It doesn’t matter that Russia still has three powerful warships in the Black Sea if those ships can’t, or won’t, risk approaching the Ukrainian coast.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/06/the-russian-frigate-admiral-makarov-might-be-the-juiciest-target-in-the-black-sea/?sh=5439ecbb74d5&source=patrick.net

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8   RWSGFY   2022 May 10, 7:28am  

Tenpoundbass says

Russia is playing the classic "Let your enemy, under estimate you" tactic.



9   RWSGFY   2022 May 10, 7:33am  

HunterTits says

Why does Russia need a navy to conquer Ukraine?


Navy blockade. And a landing assault on Odessa/Moldova. The former is still (theoretically) in place. The latter looks more and more impossible.
10   AmericanKulak   2022 May 10, 7:37am  

The Border is wide open.

So much for chewing gum and walking at the same time.
11   RWSGFY   2022 May 10, 7:42am  

WookieMan says

HunterTits says

Why does Russia need a navy to conquer Ukraine?

They shouldn't. Ground forces and air have taken 2+ months at this point though. Russians are already taking out rail. If they wanted to win quickly they would have taken the ports. Lobbed missiles 10 or so miles off shore. Hit Ukraine from all sides outside of Poland.

Maybe the US military is overhyped, but Ukraine should have been a cake walk for Russia if they've been planning this since as early as the 2010's. You also don't stack troops and equipment for a conventional war for months either. Ukraine had plenty of time to organize.

I get Russia's end game, but at minimum planning seems to be shit or their equipment is crap. Or a combination of both. Oh, and they're probably drunk. I'm sure they have jingoistic troops, but I'd guess 60-70% of them give no shits about their "...


Funny thing is: they have been lobbing their missiles everywhere and from as far as Caspian fucking Sea. They are now launching old shit like X-55 and even X-22. As well as AShM rockets like Onyx against ground targets. The problem is: without precision (which is not there) even the 600 kg warhead on X-22 doesn't do much more than digging a 20ft hole in the ground.
12   zzyzzx   2022 May 10, 8:28am  

HunterTits says

Why does Russia need a navy to conquer Ukraine?


Need, no. Want, yes. If the Russians want to do amphibious landing someplace yes. They don't need to do this, but the Russians can tie up some Ukrainian troops defending coastline there is the threat of an amphibious landing.
13   zzyzzx   2022 May 10, 8:31am  

If the Russians run out of ships in the Black Sea, then presumably the Ukrainians can start attacking the Russian Baltic sea. Since the Russians have already lobbed missals into Ukraine from Belarus, presumably it's now OK for Ukraine to sink the Russian Baltic fleet using missiles fired from any other country that will let them. Or borrow a Polish fishing vessel to launch from.
14   Eric Holder   2022 May 10, 9:42am  

zzyzzx says

If the Russians run out of ships in the Black Sea, then presumably the Ukrainians can start attacking the Russian Baltic sea. Since the Russians have already lobbed missals into Ukraine from Belarus, presumably it's now OK for Ukraine to sink the Russian Baltic fleet using missiles fired from any other country that will let them. Or borrow a Polish fishing vessel to launch from.


I don't see why not do that and use the lines made famous by Lyin' Putin: "that is not our military" and "we aren't there" .
15   FarmersWon   2022 May 10, 9:58am  

Tenpoundbass says

Russia is playing the classic "Let your enemy, under estimate you" tactic.

Let's be real, Russia would have surrendered or offered a ceasefire truce by now, if they were really this astonishingly outclassed.

Buy the Propaganda and hype at your own peril.


Corruption can sink any fleet.
If Hindoo land goes to war with real military like US , They won’t last 2-3 days.
Russia is equally corrupt. US inspite of all its issues still is less corrupt.
16   FarmersWon   2022 May 10, 10:01am  

RWSGFY says

WookieMan says

HunterTits says

Why does Russia need a navy to conquer Ukraine?

They shouldn't. Ground forces and air have taken 2+ months at this point though. Russians are already taking out rail. If they wanted to win quickly they would have taken the ports. Lobbed missiles 10 or so miles off shore. Hit Ukraine from all sides outside of Poland.

Maybe the US military is overhyped, but Ukraine should have been a cake walk for Russia if they've been planning this since as early as the 2010's. You also don't stack troops and equipment for a conventional war for months either. Ukraine had plenty of time to organize.

I get Russia's end game, but at minimum planning seems to be shit or their equipment is crap. Or a combination of both. Oh, and they're probably drun...


Russia should launch million missiles in few sq miles area to create a artificial lake.
It would be good gift to Ukraine 🇺🇦.
17   Ceffer   2022 May 10, 11:34am  

The Russian Defense Ministry also revealed additional details regarding the situation with Zmeiniy Island, where Kyiv’s forces recently fell into a trap crated by the Russian military.

“I would like to point out that another Ukrainian Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle have been shot down by Russian air defence means this afternoon near Zmeiniy Island.

The Kiev regime has thus lost 30 military UAVs alone in this area over the past three days.

9 of these, I remind you, are Bayraktar-TB2 strike UAVs.

The UAVs were all used in the failed “PR campaign” by the Kiev regime to seize Zmeiniy Island on the eve of May 9, the Great Patriotic War Victory Day.

In addition, 3 more bodies of Ukrainian saboteurs nailed from the sea were found by Russian servicemen on the shore today.

Now 27 bodies of Ukrainian special forces and nationalist fighters remain at Zmeiniy Island as a result of Kiev’s failed operation.

In total, the Kiev regime have lost 3 Su-24 bombers and 1 Su-27 fighter jet near Zmeiniy Island during militarily pointless attempt to seize the island.

10 Ukrainian Air Force helicopters have been destroyed. Among them, 3 Mi-8 helicopters with paratroopers on board and 1 Mi-24 support helicopter have been shot down in the air. In addition, 6 more Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters involved in the operation have been destroyed on the ground near Artsiz, Odessa Region.

▫️Also 3 Ukrainian Centaur armoured amphibious assault boats with marines on board have been destroyed.

Thus, this adventure ended in disaster for Ukraine."
18   RWSGFY   2022 May 10, 11:48am  

Ceffer says

The Russian Defense Ministry also revealed additional details regarding the situation with Zmeiniy Island, where Kyiv’s forces recently fell into a trap crated by the Russian military.

“I would like to point out that another Ukrainian Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle have been shot down by Russian air defence means this afternoon near Zmeiniy Island.

The Kiev regime has thus lost 30 military UAVs alone in this area over the past three days.

9 of these, I remind you, are Bayraktar-TB2 strike UAVs.


Not 9, 90! Or 900.

Unlike Raptors hits, confirmed by video, the tales about lost UAVs are just that, tales.

And, unlike Raptors, they are easily replaced/repositioned. T

And why the fuck would Ukie need or want to put boots on the ground there? That would be an obvious one-way ticket on a short trip. They have an effective fire control over that rock - something a bunch of guys with AK-74s won't be able to accomplish, so why bother?

Their play is to deny the use of the island as SAM platform by the RuZZians, and so far they are successful in that.
20   RWSGFY   2022 May 11, 8:16pm  

RWSGFY says

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/05/how-the-russian-navy-is-losing-dominance-the-curse-of-snake-island/?source=patrick.net


The island is essentially indefensible without effective area air defense. And right now neither side looks like it could achieve that.
21   PeopleUnited   2022 May 11, 8:46pm  

Ceffer says
Thus, this adventure ended in disaster for Ukraine."


This whole war is a disaster for Ukraine.

I’ve yet to hear one good reason for this war. Ukraine, and only Ukraine can end it now. Negotiate for peace and quit fighting the bear.
22   RWSGFY   2022 Jun 30, 5:13am  

PeopleUnited says

Ceffer says
Thus, this adventure ended in disaster for Ukraine."


This whole war is a disaster for Ukraine.

I’ve yet to hear one good reason for this war. Ukraine, and only Ukraine can end it now. Negotiate for peace and quit fighting the bear.


Right. Because the previous treaties with Russia worked so well and we can pretend we didn't hear the announcement that it's all about getting the empire back.
23   RWSGFY   2022 Jun 30, 5:19am  

With Ruscist forces kicked out of the Snake Island as of today, marking the end of the attempts to replace air defense capabilities lost with the sinking of Moskva, the neutering of the Ruscist Black Sea fleet is officially complete.
24   Bd6r   2022 Jun 30, 6:36am  

RWSGFY says


Ruscist forces kicked out of the Snake Island as of today

THAT WAS A GESTURE OF GOOD WILL!!!
25   Tenpoundbass   2022 Jun 30, 7:33am  

Tenpoundbass says

Let's be real, Russia would have surrendered or offered a ceasefire truce by now, if they were really this astonishingly outclassed.


I stand by this, Putin can not afford to expose this level of feckless military prowess if they were this under qualified to invade a small shithole like Ukraine.
Losing Ukraine after such a sad display would open him up to China taking back 80% of Russia Western front, which is a continuation of the Mongolian steppe, and is populated mostly by Chinese Hun and Han people.
26   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Jun 30, 7:45am  

here is interesting pattern i noticed on the nees guys.

ukraine disppears from news
suddenly comes back some fake news about them winning
next day few more billions sent to ukraine.

its as if they are trying to constantly sell us on more foreign aid.
27   Tenpoundbass   2022 Jun 30, 7:49am  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

ukraine disppears from news
suddenly comes back some fake news about them winning
next day few more billions sent to ukraine.

its as if they are trying to constantly sell us on more foreign aid.


BINGO!

How it escapes anyone that Ukraine fell off the map after the 30 billon was approved for them, is beyond my grasp.
Kissinger told Zelinski to surrender the day after the check cashed.
28   mostly reader   2022 Jun 30, 9:23am  

Bd6r says

RWSGFY says

Ruscist forces kicked out of the Snake Island as of today

THAT WAS A GESTURE OF GOOD WILL!!!

ROFLMAO. The fuckers actually said that!
29   Bd6r   2022 Jun 30, 9:27am  

mostly reader says

The fuckers actually said that!

Thinking like Putler does is easy.
32   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 1, 5:24pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says


here is interesting pattern i noticed on the nees guys.

ukraine disppears from news
suddenly comes back some fake news about them winning
next day few more billions sent to ukraine.

its as if they are trying to constantly sell us on more foreign aid.


What? Disappears how? There was a bombing of a shopping mall 3 days ago. Hardly "disappears" and hardly "only news about winning". News about Putin's war crimes - sure, there are plenty of these.

And enough with this feeble whining about our aid to Ukraine against this illegal and genocydal war: the whole package costs only $120 per US person. Have some decency to at least whine about real money, not fucking pocket change.
33   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 1, 5:28pm  

HunterTits says


And yet, Ukraine is still fucked.


Well, they were always an obvious underdog in this fight. Still remain one. But Russia is getting fucked back to the chagrin of all the cucks, big (like Kissinger, Macron and Sholz) and small, like, well, there are too many to list.
34   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 1, 5:37pm  

HunterTits says

Eric Holder says



But Russia is getting fucked back to the chagrin of all the cucks, big (like Kissinger, Macron and Sholz) and small, like, well, there are too many to list.


What use is a fleet that will always be bottled up in the Black Sea?

Tits on a bull.


Its purpose was always to dominate and eventually help to conquer and absorb the neighboring Black Sea countries (Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia). Otherwise it's no match for Turkish Navy, let alone US Sixth Fleet.
35   Shaman   2022 Jul 1, 6:49pm  

Zelenskyy and his henchmen have been buying up multimillion dollar mansions in Switzerland! $27 million worth so far!
Something tells me he isn’t optimistic for “winning” this war, but thanks to the USA he has $60 billion to feather his post war nest!
36   richwicks   2022 Jul 1, 6:56pm  

RWSGFY says

RWSGFY says

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/05/how-the-russian-navy-is-losing-dominance-the-curse-of-snake-island/?source=patrick.net


The island is essentially indefensible without effective area air defense. And right now neither side looks like it could achieve that.



Yeah, you're right about that, and what strategic importance does it have? Russia realizes it makes errors and corrects. Wish we had a military like that. But nope - no matter what kind of fuckup our military does, no matter how fucking obvious it is, they double down, triple down, quadruple down. They just make the error worse. Every stage doubles the cost, and problems. The US will kill a million people before they admit they made a mistake and correct it.
37   richwicks   2022 Jul 1, 6:59pm  

Eric Holder says

What? Disappears how? There was a bombing of a shopping mall 3 days ago. Hardly "disappears" and hardly "only news about winning". News about Putin's war crimes - sure, there are plenty of these.


Supposedly, the mall has been abandoned for years, SUPPOSEDLY.

However, Israel just recently bombed the airport in Damascus. I bet none of you heard that.

https://syrianews.cc/israel-bombs-damascus-international-airport-dam-main-runway-at-dawn/
39   RWSGFY   2022 Jul 31, 3:11pm  

Russian Black Sea Fleet is too scared to have a parade in Sebastopol today. This is as neutered as it gets.
40   Eric Holder   2022 Aug 2, 9:56am  

RWSGFY says


Russian Black Sea Fleet is too scared to have a parade in Sebastopol today. This is as neutered as it gets.


It's like US Navy being too scared to have a parade in NS Norfolk, LOL. Scared of an adversary with no fleet to speak of.
41   Hugh_Mongous   2022 Aug 12, 6:23pm  

Turns out the recently bombed Saki airfield in Crimea hosted a naval aviation regiment of Black Sea Fleet. And we thought that poor fleet can't be neutered any further...
42   RWSGFY   2022 Aug 12, 8:05pm  

Shaman says


Zelenskyy and his henchmen have been buying up multimillion dollar mansions in Switzerland! $27 million worth so far!


Interesting. Any proof? Not to mention that $27 mil in Swiss mansions for Zelensky AND ALL HIS HENCHMEN is a bit low. Unless they are into double-bunking, LOL.

Heck, it is low even for the East fucking Bay.

Failure of imagination?
43   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Aug 12, 8:09pm  

if i believed every story about Ukraine war, Russian army would be gone, Ukrainians would be in Kremlin by now. opposite of reality.

every time msm talks Ukraine winning, it results in them buying support fir more war spending. because hard to sell soending on a lost cause. im very tired if permanent billions of our tax dollars going to some place god knows where overseas for wars we shouldn’t be in.
44   RWSGFY   2022 Aug 12, 8:28pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

if i believed every story about Ukraine war, Russian army would be gone, Ukrainians would be in Kremlin by now. opposite of reality.

every time msm talks Ukraine winning, it results in them buying support fir more war spending. because hard to sell soending on a lost cause. im very tired if permanent billions of our tax dollars going to some place god knows where overseas for wars we shouldn’t be in.


So the fact that a 2nd army in the world which took 10 month to prepare for invasion of a neighbor ranking 20 notches below in military strenghts can't achieve any of the original (and revised for a dozen of times already) goals in 6 month is just business as usual to you?

What's there to "believe"? The facts are laid bare to everybody to see: the attacker is failing to overpower the victim and failing badly. Lost the fucking flagship of the fleet to the adversary with no fleet at all. Last time such a loss happened was in 19-fucking-04 but even then the adversary had a formiddable fleet.

The "paper tiger" US military was done with Iraqi army in 22 days. That's a fact. It took mighty non-gay non-woke awesome ads-running Ruscists army 3 month to take a town of 100K people of which nobody ever heard before (Sieverodonetsk). Another fact.

Nothing to "believe" here - observing is enough.

They are now asking for ceasefire and negotiations - another fact. (Voiced by Putin, Lavrov, Shreoder).

Why would somebody who's winning the fight ask for timeout and negotiations? Why not just finish the job and dictate the conditions of peace? Because they can't do it? Any other reason?

See, no need to believe anyhing - observing facts is enough.
45   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Aug 13, 8:11am  

RWSGFY says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says


if i believed every story about Ukraine war, Russian army would be gone, Ukrainians would be in Kremlin by now. opposite of reality.

every time msm talks Ukraine winning, it results in them buying support fir more war spending. because hard to sell soending on a lost cause. im very tired if permanent billions of our tax dollars going to some place god knows where overseas for wars we shouldn’t be in.


So the fact that a 2nd army in the world which took 10 month to prepare for invasion of a neighbor ranking 20 notches below in military strenghts can't achieve any of the original (and revised for a dozen of times already) goals in 6 month is just business as usual to you?

What's there to "believe"? The facts are laid bare to everybody to see: the attacker is failing to overpower the victim and failing badly. Lost the fucking flagship ...


they took half the ukraine. pretty much in like how we did iraq. i don’t see anything out of norm here. poor ukrainians are fucked, and we are funding more war there.
46   mell   2022 Aug 13, 8:32am  

If everything is going so well we surely should stop funding this useless war and proceed to negotiations... oh wait...
47   Onvacation   2022 Aug 13, 9:35am  

Why are we even in Ukraine?

What has Hunter Biden said himself?

In an October interview with ABC News, Biden said he and his father never discussed specifics of his work with Ukraine. He also said he earned his seat because of his previous work as an attorney and experience on the board of Amtrak and the United Nations World Food Program.

"I had as much knowledge as anybody else that was on that board, if not more," he said.

When asked if he would have been invited onto the Burisma board if he’d had a different last name, he said, "I don’t know. Probably not."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/dec/16/silence-year-what-did-hunter-biden-do-burisma/

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