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Was it complete bullshit, or subtotal bullshit? I'm confused.

The whole “insurrection” was fake. Sure, the rally was real. Then Trump said go home. And his supporters did. The only ones who stormed the capitol were actors “caught on video.” These trials are part of the illusion. Giving us good fun harmless material to debate and divide ourselves on in the hopes we’ll forget about the real issues of, first, election fraud and then, medical fascism.

Undoctored says

The only ones who stormed the capitol were actors “caught on video.”

No, this isn't correct.

Many people, like sheep to the slaughter, wandered in. These were innocent, naive, gullible people, that still believed in "the system". There's lots of them.

They're not bad people, but they are very hard to get through to. They are the ones that defended the intelligence agencies when it was clear they concocted false information for the Iraq war. They are the ones that believe there's good people in government that has their back, that it's a sacred duty to pay taxes, and if only more republicans were in Congress the wall would be built. They are the ones that think every war the US has been in was justified in some way, they may not know how, but if you oppose the war whatever it is, you're a traitor and anti-American and you should move to communist Russia or China.

They are just naive. ALL of the political prisoners in prison right now with no trial date, no bail for entering the capital are like this. Not bad people, but very gullible people. The brainwashed that can't see our government for what it is - a criminal syndicate, and nothing more.

The “Stop the Steal” rally was pitched as a peaceful protest to convince the Senate by show of numbers that they should investigate claims of fraud before certifying the election results, or else lose the trust of a large segment of the electorate. There was no gain to be had by entering the Capitol for these believers in the “system.” Of course the “innocent victims” are all actors or completely fictional constructs. And as I said, Trump, the man the crowd had come in defense of, said to go home in peace. No actual true believer would have tried to go in. And the idea that they had no decent security to keep out the riff-raff from this huge event is preposterous. The whole incident at the Capitol was fake. But it’s a nice story for both Democrats and Republicans to argue about while doing nothing about election integrity.

Undoctored says

Of course the “innocent victims” are all actors or completely fictional constructs.

I don't see why you assume dupes don't exist.

Do you think the 500+ political prisoners are entirely fictional? I guess it's possible, but do you believe this?

Undoctored says

And as I said, Trump, the man the crowd had come in defense of, said to go home in peace. No actual true believer would have tried to go in.

This is like saying "true believers" ought to take the vaccination because Trump recommended it.

Trump isn't a cult of personality, he was elected as a protest candidate. People that showed up didn't show up for him, they showed up because they didn't believe we had a legitimate election. He's FAR from perfect, but he was elected.

Trump has endlessly promoted the vaccine - you take it? Do you think the people at that rally took it?

The people who came to the rally were there to support Trump’s re-election. OK there could have been some third party candidate supporters or “anyone but the DNC-picked candidate.” It wasn’t about following Trump’s orders. These politically diverse advocates of fair elections had nothing to gain by “occupying” the Capitol and proving their detractors right regardless of what the man whose chance at re-election they were fighting for said. But the fact is, he urged them to go home. And they all most likely did. That’s why I say the “breach” must have been a fake event, a psy-op.

The main purpose of the psy-op is to smear supporters of justice as insurgents and to justify putting those who challenge election results on lists of suspected domestic terrorists, but mostly to poison the conversation. You didn’t need to actually arrest anyone to do this, just make it look like you did.

Secondarily, this fake political drama pushes out the real important cases from public discussion like whether the Federal government gets to mandate vaccination of its employees and contractors. We shouldn’t be defending fake insurgents, we should be indicting the fascists here and now trying to impose medical fascism.

As for Trump and his promotion of the vaccines, in January 2021 it was not an issue. Sure he was proud of his Operation Warp Speed, but Trump always stood for choice in prevention and treatment options. And no I did not take the vaccine. As you suggest, like many Trump voters, I supported Trump only to the extent that he supported my pre-existing views. I never “followed” him (except on Twitter).

https://patriotpost.us/articles/87546?source=patrick.net

APRIL 11, 2022
In Brief: Another January 6 Narrative Goes Boom
Capitol Police did, in fact, let the protesters in the building.

A few idiots did get out of control on January 6. But the real lesson from that day is what Democrats have done ever since to besmirch the name of every conservative for the actions of a handful. Aside from our own Douglas Andrews, who’s been on the beat since January 7, 2021, journalist Julie Kelly has done outstanding work to uncover the truth.

Her latest article is about one particular part of the narrative:

How does a mob “illegally storm” the Capitol building when police let them in? That is the latest narrative-shifting question the media wants desperately to avoid after a federal judge on Wednesday found a January 6 defendant not guilty for his conduct during the protest at the Capitol that day.

Matthew Martin was arrested in Santa Fe, New Mexico on April 22, 2021; he later was charged with the four most common misdemeanors related to the Justice Department’s prosecution of Capitol protesters: entering a restricted building, disorderly conduct, violent entry, and parading in the Capitol building.

Those petty offenses comprise the overwhelming majority of criminal charges against the nearly 800 or so January 6 defendants. More than 150 people have pleaded guilty to the “parading” charge — many have been sentenced to a few months in prison.

But those defendants might regret accepting the plea deal offered by the government after D.C. District Court Judge Trevor McFadden not only acquitted Martin on all counts but agreed with Martin’s assertion that he was “waved” in by Capitol Police officers. Martin, who opted for a bench trial before the Trump-appointed judge and testified in his own defense, entered the building around 3 p.m. through a set of doors on the east side. He walked through the Rotunda and stayed inside for about 10 minutes.

For that activity — a right protected under the Constitution up until January 6, 2021 — Martin’s life, like that of every other American ensnared in this abusive prosecution, has been destroyed.

Kelly explains the trial’s bombshell:

As Martin tries to rebuild the life his own government attempted to annihilate over a 10-minute jaunt through a public building which had been vacated by lawmakers, Martin might get the last laugh. His trial blew up one of the most animating features of January 6 — that hundreds if not thousands of Trump supporters overran police and unlawfully invaded the Capitol. Despite a trove of video evidence, including security camera footage showing how law enforcement officers stood by as people filed in on both the east and west side of the Capitol, the myth that a “mob” broke down doors to gain entry persists to this day.

But that narrative just suffered a major blow — and by a witness for the government, no less.

Testifying under oath, a U.S. Capitol police official told the court that police indeed had allowed people to enter the building that day.

The news isn’t that police allowed people in, but that a police official has now testified as much.

So, one more allegation about January 6 is exposed as a lie, which can be added to the growing list of falsehoods.

No, it wasn’t an “armed insurrection.” No, Officer Brian Sicknick was not bludgeoned to death by a fire extinguisher or killed as the result of any attack by Trump supporters. Zero police officers died as a result of January 6, not “several” as Joe Biden and Attorney General Merrick Garland maintain. No, “white supremacists” and “right-wing militia” groups are not responsible for what happened that day. No, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) was not in danger of being raped or killed. No, Kamala Harris and Mike Pence were not in the building during the breach, rendering the property off-limits to the public.

Not that the truth will ever prompt Democrats to stop lying. There’s far too much political gain to be had in treating events that day as an “insurrection.”

Weak sauce, all of it. So they will eventually beat the rap and maybe even get compensated. What did it achieve? A big, fat nothing. This is NOT how you protest to be heard. Taking and holding ground is essential.

RWSGFY says

Weak sauce, all of it. So they will eventually beat the rap and maybe even get compensated.

They're being forced to plead guilty. They won't change venue so they can get a fair trial, so those that insist on getting a trial are harshly punished, they've already been in prison for over a year.

There's 800 of people that have been arrested. I bet less than 10 beat the rap, and 95% of them plea.

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

Weak sauce, all of it. So they will eventually beat the rap and maybe even get compensated.

They're being forced to plead guilty. They won't change venue so they can get a fair trial, so those that insist on getting a trial are harshly punished, they've already been in prison for over a year.

There's 800 of people that have been arrested. I bet less than 10 beat the rap, and 95% of them plea.

And? All this suffering changes nothing in the big picture.

Cernovich
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Ask your liberal friends if January 6th was worse than Uvalde.

Patrick says

Ask your liberal friends if January 6th was worse than Uvalde.

You Lib friends will blame both on Republicans.