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‘The damage is done’: Russians face economic point of no return


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2022 Feb 28, 5:16pm   1,059 views  31 comments

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Shoppers and business people express despair and disillusion as sanctions cause run on rouble


18:17 UTC Monday, 28 February 2022
As markets opened in a panic on Monday, many Russians rushed to local cashpoints in Moscow to retrieve their savings before the damage got any worse.

“It said they had dollars so I came here immediately,” said Alexei Presnyakov, 32, pointing to an app for Russia’s Tinkoff Bank, indicating he could withdraw hard currency. About 20 people were queued in line. “Yesterday [the rate] was 80 [to the dollar]. Today it’s 100. Or 150.”

“I just made a spontaneous decision today that I would ask [out of work] and go around until I took out all my money,” he said. “Before it was worth zero.”
Within minutes, however, the word traveled down the queue: the dollars were gone.
Nearly half the queue walked off. “Who needs roubles?” one woman said sarcastically as she walked away.
From shopping malls to corporate boardrooms, Russians were trying to find their footing on Monday in what the Kremlin described as the “altered economic reality” that the country was now facing following sanctions on Russia’s Central Bank and other key financial institutions. There were signs that something extraordinary was taking place: the Moscow Exchange, Russia’s largest stock market, has halted trading until 5 March.
With its reserves frozen, the Central Bank announced it would more than double its main interest rates to 20%, the highest this century, and force major exporting companies, including large energy producers like Gazprom and Rosneft, to sell 80% of their foreign currency revenues, effectively buying roubles to prop up the currency rate.


But that did little to calm the frayed nerves at the Metropolis Mall in Moscow, where there were signs that Russians were rushing to turn their cash into consumer goods before prices leapt up. At an M.Video, a popular electronics store, one employee said that rouble prices for iPhones were “the same for now” but that “they could change any minute.” “I’d buy now,” he said.
If there was shock on the streets, then the mood among the business community was even more dour. Several owners of mid-sized companies said that the invasion and subsequent isolation of Russia had made their businesses unprofitable overnight.
One, the owner of an advertising services company with 100 employees, said that he was about to announce to his employees this afternoon that he is leaving the country for Armenia with his wife and two sons.

“I’m going to tell them that we are going into a crisis that we have never experienced before,” he said. “It’s like flying on a plane with no engines or the engines are on fire.”
His company, which handles contracts for international brands like Pepsi and automakers like Volkswagen, was booming as recently as January 2022, a record month for them. Now many of those brands were pulling out of the Russian market and his business was shrinking “immensely”.
Another business owner with hundreds of employees in the food and beverage and tourism industries felt that he was completely in the dark about the future under Vladimir Putin.
“We have no fucking clue what he will do next,” he said. “No one in the business community has a clue any more. Everyone is so depressed. I have experienced so many economic crises here, the pandemic being the latest.
“But there was always a reason to keep on fighting for your business,” he said. “Now, I don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel any more. Even if peace is achieved, the damage is done. How do we reverse it?”
There was a sense on Monday that this crisis was passing the point of no return, as Russian bombers began flying over Ukraine and rocket artillery began firing on populated districts of Kharkiv, a city of more than one million people.


Even top Russian business people, including the powerful oligarchs, appeared to be unsettled by the instability ushered in by the invasion, as well as the extraordinary measures being taken to prop up the rouble.
Oleg Deripaska, the billionaire businessman, had called for peace “as fast as possible” in a Telegram post on Sunday. On Monday, he went after the Central Bank decision to hike rates, taking aim at longtime rival Elvira Nabiullina, the head of the Central Bank.
“A hiked rate, the mandatory sale of foreign currency … this is the first test of who actually will be responsible for this banquet,” Deripaska wrote. “I really want clarifications and intelligible comments on the economic policy of the next three months.”
By the evening, the answer was even more draconian measures, including strict limits on transfers of money abroad. Those were announced after a funereal meeting between economic officials and Vladimir Putin, who declared that the sanctions had been imposed by the western “empire of lies”.
For many Russians, who felt themselves to be European by the food they ate and the way they lived, it’s clear that Monday marked a moment when the war came home.
“I think people are going to feel scared to spend money,” said the entrepreneur who owns restaurants and tourism companies. “We have left communism 30 years ago, we got accustomed to having a lot of comforts that are also seen in the West. All of that progress can be gone. We are no longer a member of the international community.”


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3   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 28, 5:30pm  

Booger says
RWSGFY says
20% rate? IT'S A SAVER'S PARADISE!!!


We need that here too!


WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE IMPOSE SANCTIONS ON THE USA? PRETTY PLEASE!!!!! ALIENS!!! ARE YOU LISTENING?!!!!!
4   EBGuy   2022 Feb 28, 7:15pm  

Sorry, this is all you get...
The initial interest rate on new Series I savings bonds is 7.12 percent. You can buy I bonds at that rate through April 2022.
5   AmericanKulak   2022 Feb 28, 8:45pm  

"The Russian Economy is damaged to the point of no Return" - Hitler, 1941.
6   komputodo   2022 Feb 28, 9:05pm  

If the rouble is almost worth noting, why would anyone go to work anymore? To work all day long for basically nothing?
7   Misc   2022 Feb 28, 9:53pm  

komputodo says
If the rouble is almost worth noting, why would anyone go to work anymore? To work all day long for basically nothing?


I'd suspect that the typical Russian has his mortgage denominated in Roubles. I'm pretty sure they ain't got 30 year fixed mortgages. Nope, those suckers are variable rate. The workers want currencies that have skied against the Rouble to pay off their mortgages in a money for nothing sorta way that is usually reserved for the rich fucks.

With Russia's central bank jacking up rates to 20%, that'll put pressure on those with mortgages to work harder, ask for more money and to use hard currencies to pay down their balances.
8   Hircus   2022 Feb 28, 11:32pm  

Doesnt look so bad, down 10-30%, but this probably doesnt tell the whole story.


9   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 1, 7:01am  

AmericanKulak says
"The Russian Economy is damaged to the point of no Return" - Hitler, 1941.


And it was. But the Commie fucks had the luxury to lean on the US economy to wage that war. It will be China's this time, seeing how Xitler and Putler are completely aligned wrt this "small victorious war".
10   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 1, 7:07am  

Hircus says
Doesnt look so bad, down 10-30%, but this probably doesnt tell the whole story.




Their Central Bank is working overtime propping the Ruble to try and stave off the panic.
11   clambo   2022 Mar 1, 7:35am  

I’m old enough to remember when the Soviet Union set the exchange rate of the ruble to $1 USD.
How things change 😉
12   komputodo   2022 Mar 1, 9:14am  

RWSGFY says
Shoppers and business people express despair and disillusion as sanctions cause run on rouble

Old news...Shoppers and business people express despair and disillusion as covid restrictions close businesses and bankrupt 10's of 1000's of americans with no end in sight.
13   komputodo   2022 Mar 1, 9:16am  

Misc says
I'm pretty sure they ain't got 30 year fixed mortgages. Nope, those suckers are variable rate.

That's quite an assumption to pull out of your ....
14   komputodo   2022 Mar 1, 9:19am  

clambo says
I’m old enough to remember when the Soviet Union set the exchange rate of the ruble to $1 USD.
How things change 😉

The only thing that doesnt change is the fact that all things change....we are at almost $100 bbl for oil....remember not long ago people had to PAY MONEY to get rid of their oil? That was a drastic change
15   komputodo   2022 Mar 1, 9:22am  

Ukraine has earned the nickname "breadbasket of Europe" for its rich dark soil, vast wheat fields, and other farm goods. The Russian invasion has cut off the world from cheap and abundant wheat supplies.

Ukraine and Russia are vital to the global food supply, accounting for more than a quarter of global wheat trade, about a fifth of corn, and 12% of all calories traded globally, according to Bloomberg.

Is europe ready to go gluten free and pay twice as much for their LNG?
16   charlie303   2022 Mar 1, 10:11am  

Oil West Texas Intermediate now over US $100 a barrel,
Europe rethinking its energy policy (green energy pipe dreams not working well enough to replace Nord Stream pipelines).
European stock markets falling
Many consider Europe's Government bond market to be broken. Interest rates there are still zero and yields on some debt negative.
The ECB meets next week, the Fed the week after. I'm guessing neither will raise rates (maybe a token gesture of 0.25% from the Fed), they simply can't.
Australia last night refused to raise rates blaming the Ukraine situation.

I would say this 'war' could be an exogenic shock that hurts Europe more than Russia.
And if Europe bleeds it will be contagious and the global economy with America will soon follow.

Covid was conveniently timed to prevent this economic collapse in 2019 and to setup the stage for The Great Reset.
The Great Reset is cleverly marketed as such but it is really the next system of control after the Great Government Default.
Western Governments are too big and too wasteful and borrow and spend like there's no tomorrow. US National debt now $30,000,000,000,000.

For the past few years Russia has been stockpiling gold and looking to develop other markets with new payment systems.
Hasn't happened yet but if they can survive the Nazi onslaught of Stalingrad in WW2 then they will survive this.
They recently signed a military deal with the House of Saud. A key component of the petrodollar understanding was that it would be America to do this.
So this step has weakened the foundation of the petrodollar and hence the dollar's global reserve status.

Russia has been warning and prepping for this for a few years now. The conflicts in Donbas and the Crimean Annexation are 8 years old though of course the history stretches back millennia.
Russia is not in the same position as she was in the 1990's when they defaulted under Boris Yeltsin triggering the LTCM debacle and the Asian Financial Crisis.

China too has been preparing for some harder times and looking more inward rather than walking lockstep into some globalist new world order.

As a gambling man I would be more careful of the Bretton Woods World Order collapsing before Russia does.

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17   clambo   2022 Mar 1, 10:22am  

Russia is a poor country and needs to export energy to survive.

Putin is going to impoverish Russia further to accomplish nothing.

Every day that the invasion is slowed is costly for Putin.

How do you spell quagmire? U K R A I N E.
18   komputodo   2022 Mar 1, 10:29am  

charlie303 says
Europe rethinking its energy policy (green energy pipe dreams not working well enough to replace Nord Stream pipelines).

they just figured that out today?
19   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 1, 10:32am  

It's several days into the war and Europe has no plans to turn off the gas and oil from Russia.

Don't forget to dump the vodka, though.
20   charlie303   2022 Mar 1, 10:36am  

komputodo says
charlie303 says
Europe rethinking its energy policy (green energy pipe dreams not working well enough to replace Nord Stream pipelines).

they just figured that out today?


Yes.
Like many of these liberal Western elites they went all in on green without actually understanding how they were going to do it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/germany-goes-full-energy-policy-overhaul-amid-ukraine-crisis?source=patrick.net

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21   Bd6r   2022 Mar 1, 10:39am  

AmericanKulak says
Don't forget to dump the vodka, though.

"Virtue Signaling" TM
22   komputodo   2022 Mar 1, 10:40am  

charlie303 says
Like many of these liberal Western elites they went all in on green without actually understanding how they were going to do it.

Well with that kind of critical thinking, they should easily outfox Putin.
23   zzyzzx   2022 Mar 1, 10:43am  

clambo says
Putin is going to impoverish Russia further to accomplish nothing.


One of the YouTube videos I watched mad a satirical comment about the largest country wanting to get even bigger.
24   zzyzzx   2022 Mar 1, 10:43am  

AmericanKulak says
It's several days into the war and Europe has no plans to turn off the gas and oil from Russia.


Where else are they going to get it from?
25   richwicks   2022 Mar 1, 11:05am  

zzyzzx says
AmericanKulak says
It's several days into the war and Europe has no plans to turn off the gas and oil from Russia.


Where else are they going to get it from?


I think the plan was from the Middle East, and Syria in the last little US adventure...
26   richwicks   2022 Apr 20, 9:24am  

DooDahMan says
Putin signs decree on April 16th to remove Russian stocks from overseas exchanges in huge blow to the nation's billionaires -


You realize that for 20 years, Putin has been intentionally reducing the power of billionaires in his country so they have less and less influence in the government?

Let me put it another way:

For 20 years, Putin has been removing the oligarchy, and just making these people rich, rather than them running the country for their own profit?

He's arrested a fair number of them, ACTUALLY enforcing the law in Russia. Here we have Elon Musk lying about efforts to take Tesla private, SEC does nothing. We had Jon Corzine STEAL 1 billion dollars from a commodity firm he was running to trade privately, which he lost - fucking over a bunch of farmers who were using the commodity exchange to hedge prices - nothing happened to him.

Putin ain't perfect, but he doesn't more for the people of Russia than any president in the United States has done for the United States in over 30 years. Clinton go rid of Glass-Steagall - one of our most FUNDAMENTAL laws to prevent banks from becoming rapacious thieves.
27   richwicks   2022 Apr 20, 9:59am  

HunterTits says
richwicks says

You realize that for 20 years, Putin has been intentionally reducing the power of billionaires in his country so they


The DooDahDipShits of PatNet do not think, they just regurgitate what others post. Useful Idiots.


I don't think it's any sin or fault that people don't understand what Putin has been doing for the last 2 decades in Russia or understand why he has a target on his back placed there by the United States especially given the level of propaganda there has been directed at him. Putin has largely been called a "despot" simply because he is imposing law and order on the very powerful. He also doesn't put up with NGO bullshit meant to destabilize his country - what he did with Pussy Riot was extreme, but Pussy Riot is a bunch of assholes. He deals pretty harshly with assholes.

I think at most, 1/2 of Americans realize they are being regularly subjected to propaganda at this point, but maybe 10% know to what an extent. That's way up through from 30 years ago.
28   richwicks   2022 Apr 20, 11:49am  

DooDahMan says
When it comes to pointing fingers, both parties get the blame.


There's only one party. It's a group of criminals, versus the rest of us. There might literally be 5% to 10% of congressmen who aren't entirely corrupt, and actually practice what they preach.

Do you really think that anybody in the DNC cares about transgendered children? Do you think anybody in the RNC cares about small business? It's fake, it's just them pretending to be different.
29   richwicks   2022 Apr 20, 11:53am  

DooDahMan says
Whereas the original class of oligarchs arose during the era of "shock therapy" and rapid privatization in the 1990s, the siloviki — or silovarchs, as they're also called — made their fortunes under Putin, largely through government contracts


The difference is that the oligarchs that rose in the 1990's were dual citizens. MOST of them were dual citizens and supported by the United States. They weren't even Russians.

OUR oligarchs are supported by government contracts as well. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates.. These guys get sweetheart deals.

Why is the United States government using MS Windows and MS Office, when there's Linux and Libre Office? Russia won't use Windows anymore, they moved to Linux years ago. Probably not because it was cheaper, but they could control it.

I'm not saying Putin is some sort of saint, I'm saying he's actually improving the living standard of Russians slowly. You can't just quick out a bunch of mafiosos over night, you have to replace them, so the entire system doesn't just collapse. We have the same problem.
30   richwicks   2022 Apr 20, 12:44pm  

DooDahMan says
Free market Capitalism as it's finest - no ?


Crony capitalism. Windows was, by FAR, the worst operating system available back in 1990. The Mac, Acorn Archimedes, Amiga, Atari ST, Unix (of course), even GEOS blew it away in terms of functionality and usability.

Windows 3.11 came out in 1992. Until then, it was DOS BASED.

Now how did that piece of shit, become the predominate operating system? It was the worst operating system, by far, until Windows 95. That was its first usable version.

DooDahMan says
Let's not forget the % of millionaires in Congress - not exactly the local Eagles, Elks or Moose lodge crowd

Sweetheart deals for everyone in the club - too bad you and I are not in the club but if you have connections that might help.


The idea of selling my integrity for money seems, counterproductive to the entire human race.

I view this sort of compromise as to be damaging to the entire species and to nations and to communities.

When an inferior solution is promoted over inferior solutions, you end up with crap like the Sherman Tank, or the F-35. You get the Soviet Union which was ENTIRELY based off from corruption - they were in stagnation for their entire existence, all that could do was take better ideas from the West and implement it.

When corruption is removed you can see what is unleashed. When corruption is enforced you end up in endless stagnation.
31   richwicks   2022 Apr 20, 1:00pm  

DooDahMan says
Has that thought been passed on to people who want power, fame, glory, etc. ?


YES!

Look at the massive and rapid development that happened when good ideas could lead to making money, rather than just making money by who you knew? Compare what we have today versus what we had in 1920.

This is FUNDAMENTAL to a free market system.

Do you know why CNN has 1 million viewers at any given time or less? It's NOT because they are more dishonest and full of shit than they were 15 years ago, it's because a guy in his basement discussing something is more honest and useful to listen to than CNN was.

He won't ever get a job at CNN, and nobody working at CNN will ever be able to survive making videos in their basement.

The last 10 years of explosive growth in our current awareness of how our government ACTUALLY works, has come from 1000's of nobodies, not "authoritative sources". That's building up to a revolution (again) - that's why they are being attacked. That's why there is censorship. Our establishment is violating the constitution to hold on to their power.

Don't think the people who tell you the truth and expose systemic criminality don't want money, fame, or power - but they won't sell out their integrity to do it, because their money, fame and power, depend on their credibility. That's how it NORMALLY is done in the United States - it's the American Way (TM)(R) - the REAL American way.

Europe's way was feudalism.

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