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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   52,970 views  1,958 comments

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1817   NuttBoxer   2022 Nov 16, 7:07pm  

Eric Holder says

Not so fast:

Without disputing anything you wrote after this, as without me knowing more, it all sounds plausible. I would just like to ask, if it was really Russia, why did the US and everyone else back down so fast once Poland investigated? How does that help the US's anti-Russia, warmongering agenda? How does it help them control the minds of the enslaved, who gobble up every propaganda piece the media spits out, when that media has to immediately contradict their first reports?
1818   richwicks   2022 Nov 16, 7:11pm  

NuttBoxer says

Eric Holder says


Not so fast:

Without disputing anything you wrote after this, as without me knowing more, it all sounds plausible. I would just like to ask, if it was really Russia, why did the US and everyone else back down so fast once Poland investigated? How does that help the US's anti-Russia, warmongering agenda? How does it help them control the minds of the enslaved, who gobble up every propaganda piece the media spits out, when that media has to immediately contradict their first reports?


I'm going to add something here, if it WAS Russia, why would they just put ONE missile in Poland? That's the big smart "sneak attack?" that opens up WWIII and triggers article 5?

If it was Russian, Russia would be falling over themselves to apologize. Seems to me it was an malfunctioning missile originating from Ukraine.
1819   Patrick   2022 Nov 16, 8:09pm  

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/ap-admits-erroneously-reporting-russian


AP Admits Erroneously Reporting Russian Attack on Poland

False flag or accidental missile strike on Polish border identified in 2019 simulation as possible spark for a nuclear war with Russia. Do the hawks in Washington want nuclear war? ...

As I suspected, the AP Report was false, as AP admitted in today’s Correction (see below).




The question of why Ukrainian forces fired a missile towards Poland without proper guidance is apparently not being asked by our mainstream media, and perhaps not even by whoever is calling the shots of US-Nato policy in Ukraine.

What concerns me is that THE SPARK identified in the 2019 simulation is well-known to people in Ukraine who seem to be doing everything in their power to induce direct Nato involvement in the war with Russia.
1820   Patrick   2022 Nov 16, 8:21pm  

From Ben Garrison's email:


Overheard:

JOE: "Hey, Jack—this is Joe Biden"
ZELENSKY: "My name isn’t Jack—it’s Volodymyr!"
JOE: "How ’n the hell can I remember a name like that? Listen, I need a favor."
ZELENSKY: "OK, but it will cost you."
JOE: "Trump is giving his announcement speech tomorrow. We need a distraction. Why don’t you launch a missile over the Polish border and we’ll say Russia did it. That oughta do it."
ZELENSKY: "Sure, but it will cost you at least $37 billion in emergency aid."
JOE: "No problem…just make sure I get my 10 percent. Use that crypto token money laundering thingie for my kickback."
ZELENSKY: "I can’t–that FTX Ponzi scheme has completely collapsed. I can always buy a few paintings from Hunter…but first I must buy another chalet in Switzerland."
JOE: "OK, Corn Pop—just as long as you get Americans focussing on World War Three and not Trump!"


1822   Patrick   2022 Nov 17, 10:40am  


Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
Nov 16
(In case anyone objects to calling what's happening in Ukraine a "US proxy war," that's not a real debate. Top US officials and the most influential defense policy operatives in DC call it that repeatedly, as @NoahCarl90 documented here, because it is):

https://noahcarl.substack.com/p/is-ukraine-a-proxy-war

Is Ukraine a "proxy war"?
Critics of America’s policy toward Ukraine have accused it of waging a “proxy war” against Russia. Such critics include various Western commentators, as well as Russia itself. In April, the Foreign...

Don't worry: I'm sure these billions and weapons flying around DC and Ukraine are being meticulously accounted for.

That's why Dems and GOP united to block @RandPaul's amendment for oversight.

No need! Raytheon, CIA and Ukraine are famous for transparent, honest accounting.

If we project out to a year, that would be $120 billion each year to fuel the US proxy war in Ukraine.

That's roughly 1/8 of the entire US military budget for the year: by far the world's largest.

Congrats to Raytheon, General Dynamics and CIA!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-asks-for-more-than-37-billion-in-ukraine-emergency-aid

Biden asks for more than $37 billion in Ukraine emergency aid
President Joe Biden is asking Congress to provide more than $37 billion in aid to Ukraine. The funding request comes as lawmakers begin their post-election session.

US funding for war in Ukraine in 9 months:

Mar: $ 13.6 billion
May: $ 40b
Nov: $ 37.7b: Biden's new request

That $ 91.3 billion is 33% more than Russia's total military spending for the year

It's double the US's average annual expenditure for its own war in Afghanistan.
1831   Misc   2022 Nov 24, 1:24am  

The Russians killed 3 civilians while putting out the lights in the Ukraine.

Time to call the Security Council.

Yes, hitting civilian infrastructure is a war crime. However, retaliatory measures are allowed. The Ukraine shouldn't have hit Russian infrastructure first.

Gotta feel sorry for the people though. Russia is simply mimicking our DoD talking points that we use when bombing countries about how the population should rise up against Zelenski.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-zelenski-calls-for-urgent-meeting-of-un-security-council-after-russian-offensive-on-kiev/ar-AA14tlyD?cvid=c25108d1047a443594dcd960ec840ad1
1832   faraway   2022 Nov 24, 5:07am  

I assume that you are referring to the attack on the Crimea bridge on 10/8/2022 when you say that the Ukraine hit Russian civilian infrastructure first.

Would there have been any Russian attack on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure before that date, what measures would have been allowed for the Ukrainians?
1833   Misc   2022 Nov 24, 9:24pm  

The EU Parliament declared Russia a State sponsor of terrorism.

Symbolic, but they decided Russia's campaign against Ukraine's power grid was excessive. They also lumped in some individual atrocities into that.

Unlike a US declaration, the EU declaration doesn't carry any penalties.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/24/will-the-eu-parliaments-stance-towards-russia-have-consequences
1834   richwicks   2022 Nov 24, 9:44pm  

Misc says


Unlike a US declaration, the EU declaration doesn't carry any penalties.


Doesn't carry any weight. Russia hasn't done anything the US hasn't done, with the complete silence of Europe.

The FIRST thing the US does is attack infrastructure. That was "shock and awe". They are doing this to Yemen, Somalia, and Syria now.

The US has no moral authority. They abandoned this moral authority at least 20 years ago, maybe 30. Maybe it was never there. The US engaged in firebombing of Japan and that war would have never happened if the US didn't do an oil embargo on Japan, but I think Japan deserved it - what they did to the Chinese was monstrous, but what we did to Japan, equally so. We didn't have to drop nuclear weapons, but we did.

Psychopaths run our world.
1835   Misc   2022 Nov 24, 10:27pm  

The US military does not attack civilian infrastructure purposefully. "Shock and Awe" was against military targets.

Russia did not purposefully attack civilian infrastructure until after its infrastructure was attacked. Perhaps the Europeans have it correct that the Russians have gotten carried away, but considering the attack on Nordstream perhaps the devastation is acceptable. Putin has certainly been increasing the costs of war incrementally against his foes.

If todays militaries directly attacked civilians, the death tolls would be staggering.
1836   yawaraf   2022 Nov 24, 11:01pm  

Misc,

I am trying to understand you point of view. What was the first attack on Russia's civilian infrastructure?
1837   Misc   2022 Nov 24, 11:10pm  

yawaraf says

Misc,

I am trying to understand you point of view. What was the first attack on Russia's civilian infrastructure?


The first attack was on the Nordstream 2 (that was a major attack). There was a secondary attack on the bridge from Crimea.

Russia declared that it was the UK that launched the terrorist attack on Nordstream-2. However, a retaliatory attack against UK infrastructure could lead to a major war. So, Russia is simply using the Ukraine as a proxy. Sucks to be a Ukrainian.
1838   richwicks   2022 Nov 24, 11:30pm  

Misc says


The US military does not attack civilian infrastructure purposefully.


Haha!

Ever look at pictures of Libya before and after? Or Syria? Or Iraq?

https://shootsearcher.com/post-syria-before-and-after/

It's easy to find.

Misc says


"Shock and Awe" was against military targets.


Iraq was the military target.

The US' standard operating procedure is to destroy the country, ever fucking time, everywhere.

Misc says


Russia declared that it was the UK that launched the terrorist attack on Nordstream-2. However, a retaliatory attack against UK infrastructure could lead to a major war. So, Russia is simply using the Ukraine as a proxy. Sucks to be a Ukrainian.


Russia is just going to let Europe cut its own throat. I'm surprised they haven't turned off the Turkish Stream.

Not only do psychopaths run the United States they are stupid ones too. The United States may as well have declared war on Europe when they blew up the Nordstream I and II. It's possible the British did it, but they didn't do it without the US giving a thumbs up.

All these years of war is to break Eurasia into two again. If Europe wasn't run by traitors, they would have dumped their stupid alliances with the United States and shook hands with Russia 20 years ago.
1839   yawaraf   2022 Nov 25, 9:37am  

Misc says

The first attack was on the Nordstream 2 (that was a major attack). There was a secondary attack on the bridge from Crimea.

Russia declared that it was the UK that launched the terrorist attack on Nordstream-2. However, a retaliatory attack against UK infrastructure could lead to a major war. So, Russia is simply using the Ukraine as a proxy. Sucks to be a Ukrainian.


There are some allegations of deliberate Russian attacks on Ukrainian health care facilities. I've linked to some which allegedly happened in March 2022, (Nordstream was blown up in September 2022). Do you consider these allegations to be true, and if so, do you still hold that is was the Ukrainans who first started attacking their enemy's civilian infrastructure?

https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/attacks-hospitals-and-healthcare-ukraine-joint-submission-united-nations-independent-international-commission-inquiry-ukraine-september-2022
1840   stereotomy   2022 Nov 25, 12:52pm  

richwicks says


Ceffer says


Bush and Clinton gifted out nuclear weapons to the Globalists for extortion purposes, so weapons provenance no longer has much of an association with perp provenance.


Nuclear weapons need regular refinement of the plutonium to function. If they aren't duds now, they will soon be.

The plutonium is constantly breaking down through nuclear fission. The fissile material must be refined repeatedly and regularly to keep it working as a nuclear weapon.

Considering how our government seems to prefer stealing money and doesn't give a fuck about winning war, I wouldn't be surprised if the US has NO operational nuclear weapons at this point.


The half-life of Pu 239 (the majority isotope) is 24,000 years, that of Pu 240 is 6500 years. It is unlikely that the Pu degrades through radioactive decay over the course of decades enough to warrant re-refining. The most likely reason for overhauling warheads is that they are boosted fission weapons, employing a small amount of tritium to juice the overall yield. Tritium has a half-life of 7 years, so this does rapidly degrade through radioactive decay. The next likely reason for re-machining is that the Pu pit is subject to some degree of liquifaction, kind of like old window glass that becomes wavy over time. This deformation of the pit could affect warhead reliability by messing with the shape/clearances of the fissile elements, especially in the case of a U235/Pu levitated core.
1841   Ceffer   2022 Nov 25, 1:08pm  

Basic electronics also degrade over time. I imagine radioactive environments don't help.

It was claimed that one of the remaining 'suitcase nukes' placed throughout the cities of the world for blackmail and intimidation by the various Globalists powers and entities (until Guv devised remote methods for detecting and removing them) was found in Australia in an inoperable condition, because all of the support electronics had deteriorated.

I suppose it should be good news that nukes have a limited shelf life from one cause or another.
1842   Misc   2022 Nov 25, 11:49pm  

yawaraf says

Misc says


The first attack was on the Nordstream 2 (that was a major attack). There was a secondary attack on the bridge from Crimea.

Russia declared that it was the UK that launched the terrorist attack on Nordstream-2. However, a retaliatory attack against UK infrastructure could lead to a major war. So, Russia is simply using the Ukraine as a proxy. Sucks to be a Ukrainian.


There are some allegations of deliberate Russian attacks on Ukrainian health care facilities. I've linked to some which allegedly happened in March 2022, (Nordstream was blown up in September 2022). Do you consider these allegations to be true, and if so, do you still hold that is was the Ukrainans who first started attacking their enemy's civilian infrastructure?

https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/attacks-hospitals-and-healthcare-ukraine-joint-submission-united-nations-inde...

The pro-Ukrainian NGOs stated themselves that only about 200 people were killed in about 500 attacks. If Russia had purposefully attacked the medical facilities of the Ukraine the death toll would have been easily in the tens of thousands. Were Ukrainian units stationed near these facilities? I would probably say yes, thus Russia was permitted to attack those military units.
1843   Hugh_Mongous   2022 Nov 26, 10:31am  

On the subject of liberation:

According to the Institute for the Study of War, Ukraine has now liberated 63 per cent of the territory invaded by the Russian army since the start of the invasion on February 24, or around 75,000 square kilometers (as of November 12).
The Putin-ordered invasion had enabled Moscow to secure or advance on one-fifth of Ukrainian territory by February-March 2022, or about 119,000 square kilometers. At the peak of the Russian invasion, counting the regions under its control before February 24, Russia occupied a little more than 160,000 square kilometers of its neighbor's territory. But since then, the Russian withdrawal from the northern part of the country and the Ukrainian army's counter-offensives in the east and south have enabled Kiev to recover almost half of this area (47%).




https://www.statista.com/chart/28748/ukraine-territory-control-status-distribution/
1844   yawaraf   2022 Nov 26, 2:46pm  

Misc says


The pro-Ukrainian NGOs stated themselves that only about 200 people were killed in about 500 attacks. If Russia had purposefully attacked the medical facilities of the Ukraine the death toll would have been easily in the tens of thousands. Were Ukrainian units stationed near these facilities? I would probably say yes, thus Russia was permitted to attack those military units.


I agree that in a single deliberate attack on a hospital there would easily be a few hundred casualties. I concede that I don't have any information so show that it was not the Ukraine that first attacked civilian infrastructure.

You use phrases such as "Russia was permitted", and, "retaliatory measures are allowed". Are these your personal beliefs, or are referring to certain treaties or other legislation?
1845   richwicks   2022 Nov 26, 2:56pm  

yawaraf says


I agree that in a single deliberate attack on a hospital there would easily be a few hundred casualties. I concede that I don't have any information so show that it was not the Ukraine that first attacked civilian infrastructure.

You use phrases such as "Russia was permitted", and, "retaliatory measures are allowed". Are these your personal beliefs, or are referring to certain treaties or other legislation?


There's no rules in war.

Russia has found that time is on their side. They are apparently are going to go through a war of attrition recognizing this war is actually one against the United States and NATO.

The US commonly destroys infrastructure. The US has killed an estimated 9 million people in the last 20 years in 7 wars, which you can't even name. Russia is just going to sit back and let Europe crumble, which is the United States' mad dog. This war is likely to go on for years.

How happy is it, to Russia, that the destruction of the Nordstream I and II can be blamed on the United States, and with the stupid statements of Biden promising that those pipelines would be shut down one way or another? Russia may not only destroy NATO, but the EU itself. If the EU wasn't run by a bunch of quisling traitors, 20 years ago, Europe would have made alliances with Russia and pulled Russia into modernity and democracy, if they weren't run by traitors - controlled by the United States.
1846   Patrick   2022 Nov 27, 1:08pm  

https://slaynews.com/news/european-officials-reach-limit-with-joe-biden-accuse-usa-of-profiting-from-war-in-ukraine-report/


“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” one senior official told politico.

“We are really at a historic juncture,” the official added before complaining about trade disruption from U.S. subsidies and high energy prices.

“America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries.”
1847   Ceffer   2022 Nov 27, 1:12pm  

Rockefeller stooge Biden Actor creating artificial shortages of fuel to jack up inflated, speculative prices for his masters. How sweet it is. Wouldn't want those pesky Russkie pipelines keeping the prices down.
1848   Patrick   2022 Nov 28, 1:05pm  

https://slaynews.com/news/biden-admin-unable-account-20-billion-us-aid-sent-ukraine/


Biden Admin Unable to Account for $20 Billion in U.S Aid Sent to Ukraine


I bet they would find that "lost" $20 billion if they were to look in their own pockets.
1849   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Nov 28, 1:15pm  

Patrick says

https://slaynews.com/news/biden-admin-unable-account-20-billion-us-aid-sent-ukraine/



Biden Admin Unable to Account for $20 Billion in U.S Aid Sent to Ukraine


I bet they would find that "lost" $20 billion if they were to look in their own pockets.


Biden looks inside pocket: oh how did all this money get here?
1851   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 9:46am  

Nobody has even commented on Ukraine in 2 days and it's no longer in the "news". Almost like it's yet another US war for money laundering that will drag on for a few years, if not decades.
1852   Misc   2022 Nov 30, 6:49pm  

richwicks says

Nobody has even commented on Ukraine in 2 days and it's no longer in the "news". Almost like it's yet another US war for money laundering that will drag on for a few years, if not decades.


The establishment is trying to figure a way to appease the peasants after proclaiming that the Ukrainians are winning since the military operations started.

They may be in negotiations with the Russians about ending the conflict, but since that would be admitting that the Russians get to keep territory, it wouldn't play well for the TV audience. They gotta get it out of the news for a while for them to spin it properly.
1853   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 6:55pm  

Misc says

They may be in negotiations with the Russians about ending the conflict, but since that would be admitting that the Russians get to keep territory, it wouldn't play well for the TV audience. They gotta get it out of the news for a while for them to spin it properly.


The US will drag this war out for as long as possible - for at LEAST 6 more months if not years, and when it ends, I bet there's barely a mention of it in "the news". The US will claim "Ukraine won" (no matter WHAT happens to Ukraine) and that "Russia lost" and the US "news" media will parrot that bullshit endlessly

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