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This must be like when the creator of Pepe, killed him off. How did that work out?

Wachowski brothers became Wachowski sisters after the original Matrix movies were made. What could possibly go wrong?

I stopped watching after the first 45 mins on an international streaming site.

It was basically akin to "SW: The Force Awakens" where much of the original movie was re-hashed (& also, re-played in the background for contrasting effects), with a bunch of silly fight sequences and the same lengthy expositions.

When Thomas Anderson/Neo was re-released from the Matrix for the 2nd time, he appeared to be less inspired and motivated as in the original film. This is where Trinity (as Tiffany in the Matrix) was suppose to rise in power. Anyways, I was done long before the "The Matrix: The Rise of Trinity" took hold, to unleash the power of feminism onto the real world of living humans.

This is just another SJW tripe sequel/reboot. We've seen enough with Star Wars & the Terminator series to fall for it again.

I'm laboring through the woke, reborn computer game sequel "The Last Of Us 2". In the first one, adorable little girl Ellie is protected by the kind, protective, long suffering Joel as they slay zombies and human erratics through a apocalyptic hellscape.

In the sequel, darling little Ellie has become Piss Ant Millenial Adolescent Ellie discovering her lesbianism, I shit you not. She's a competent computer game mass murderer, but what a sullen, oxygen depleting, bratty, spoiled and self centered little lesbo she is. Kindly Joel who takes interminable shit testing from her is clubbed to death with a golf club by baddies, who she can then pursue with a campaign of carnage. So, White Male destroyed for the woke, competent lesbo female, as ad nauseum these days.

Who gives a shit? They weren't good movies from the first ones. Trying to mind fuck simpletons does not make it a good movie. Reeves is overrated as well. Never understood the love of the franchise. It sucks.

WookieMan says

Reeves is overrated as well

Keanu Reeves is a better looking version of Beavis.

Reeves should just stick to 'Bill & Ted'

Matrix jumped the shark on the 2nd one. And they originated the subliminal sjw crap. Every bad guy is pale fucking white male while nearly every good person is black or Asian.

theoakman says

And they originated the subliminal sjw crap

It's ok if it's subliminal because ultimately, the hero was still Neo, despite the presence of the Architect, the Merovingian, and Agent Smith as the perennial adversaries.

Elevating Trinity (or Tiffany) to superstardom is pathetic because she contributed very little in the original series besides being Neo's main squeeze. In effect, if Neo was 50 and not a horny guy in his early 30s, he could have done it entirely without her.

Even the most hardcore Matrix fans saw that Carrie Ann-Moss was a sideshow with a hokey love that would not have made it, in any wannabe Dr Zhivago type of film.

I suppose reversing the red pill is appropriate, since the original matrix was one of the early adopter SJW templates for ultra heroic minority types 'saving' the world from the demonic technologic WhiteFucks..

The red pill was supposed to invoke the barphy political correctness instead of conservative reality LOL!

Ceffer says

The red pill was supposed to invoke the barphy political correctness instead of conservative reality LOL!

No no no no. There are rumors that the Wachowskis ​stole the original Matrix script, which would explain why they didn't understand the source material they supposedly wrote. I'm starting to believe that they stole it.

Are the machines that construct and control the perceived reality "left" or "right" in the original film?

They are neither left or right, they just control the perception of what reality is as they exploit humanity.

The original Matrix was a thinly veiled allegory of the people (things?) that dictate our reality (what we discuss, what issues we discuss, what is fashionable, what we should buy, how we should act, etc) and the rest of us that just accept that.

Do you really think that the people in power give a fuck about LGBTQ issues, or they're just promoting it to fuck with us? They're playing with us. Same thing with this "pandemic" - they're going out to vacation to Mexico or god knows where while they are telling us we have to stay at home or grandma will die. Can't go out to dinner, but Newsom can for a $300 lunch with large donors.

The red pill isn't "right wing", it just represents true awareness. I think the Wachowskis DID steal the script.

Anyhow, the authorities are OPENLY fucking with the population, and people don't realize it when they should. 14 days to flatten the curve. What's the latest excuse du-jour?

BTW - I predict that the new Matrix will flop, not because of its content, but nobody gives a shit about films any more.

richwicks says

The original Matrix was a thinly veiled allegory of the people (things?) that dictate our reality (what we discuss, what issues we discuss, what is fashionable, what we should buy, how we should act, etc) and the rest of us that just accept that.

And since:
1)the media purports to do exactly this
2)actively tries to censor and suppress alternative viewpoints
3)is blatantly Leftoid

That makes the “Red Pill” allegory antagonistic to the Left right now since they are the evil empire propagandists of the era.

Sounds like they wokified the fucking Matrix, which isn’t surprising from the Wachosky (sisters). Hard pass. Honestly I didn’t like or appreciate the second or third Matrix movies, so not sure why I’d watch a fourth uber feminist one.

The first Matrix movie was fun but I won’t watch this new sequel or whatever it is.

“Red pilled” is now a part of our language, and that’s not going to change.

I remember a surfer yelling at someone “get a clue!”, for some reason it was funny to me.
Or, “you’re clueless”.

Old phrase: “I was born at night, but not last night.”

Take the red pill, get a clue.

Rin says

theoakman says

And they originated the subliminal sjw crap

It's ok if it's subliminal because ultimately, the hero was still Neo, despite the presence of the Architect, the Merovingian, and Agent Smith as the perennial adversaries.

Elevating Trinity (or Tiffany) to superstardom is pathetic because she contributed very little in the original series besides being Neo's main squeeze. In effect, if Neo was 50 and not a horny guy in his early 30s, he could have done it entirely without her.

Even the most hardcore Matrix fans saw that Carrie Ann-Moss was a sideshow with a hokey love that would not have made it, in any wannabe Dr Zhivago type of film.

Apparently, they originally wrote the role with the intention of having Will Smith as Neo. I loved the first movie, but everything after that was crap IMO.

richwicks says

BTW - I predict that the new Matrix will flop, not because of its content, but nobody gives a shit about films any more.

If you want to see a good movie, go see the new Ghostbusters. It was a great throwback to 80s nostalgia and spirit. And, the girl in it who plays Egon's granddaughter literally makes the entire movie. Phenomenal actress.

I just don't watch movies anymore. Really never have. Maybe a show here and there, especially this time of year where there's not much to do after xmas for a week or two. I'll binge an Ozark or Yellowstone season over two days. Otherwise I'm just online reading, dicking around here and listening to music. Obviously doing family stuff and a little work, but for someone that has a decent amount of free time, movies just don't do it for me. Not even older non-sjw movies.

Live music is my favorite above all. Movies and even plays are all fake. A good rock show is fucking amazing. Especially at cool venues. Never in my life did I see myself going to Sandpoint, Idaho to watch a band. It was fucking awesome. The Ryman in Nashville for Swedish metal? Red Rocks. Doobie Brothers in Destin, FL by the beach. That's the shit I like.

Ya'll remember Iwog tried to hijack the red pill, by saying it was when Men go their won way. Men Going Their Own Way.

He would flame me, when I would say another Liberal got Red Pilled. Didn't he write a book called Red Pilled, about MGTOW?

Yeah, this movie redo, will work about as well as Iwogs book did.

theoakman says

Apparently, they originally wrote the role with the intention of having Will Smith as Neo. I loved the first movie, but everything after that was crap IMO.

I'd say that the first film was good 'cyberpunk', the culmination of prior movies like "Akira", "Ghost In The Machine", and "Johnny Mnemonic", but in one concept film.

But then, ppl made it out to be some classic, on the order of a Stanley Kubrick or David Lean picture, when it wasn't.

Ahoy Matey! I've seen the film.

It's so forgettable, convoluted and just plain terrible, that I started to write a synopsis of it, and realized I had to look up what I had forgotten. It's really not worth 2 1/2 hours of your time. It's like a poorly written television show.

If somebody asks, I will write a synopsis. Better I do that than somebody go through this film. I'd give it 1-2 out of 10. It's really terrible.

As bad as #2 and #3 were, I'd say this is significantly worse.

There's really no plot or explanations. For some reason Trinity and Neo were resurrected are kept alive by the machines and put in a new matrix. For some reason Agent Smith becomes Neo's business partner - they developed a video game trilogy called "the Matrix" - this is how Neo deals with his suppressed memories. For some reason Trinity is there as Tiffiny as a wife with 2 shit kids and a husband that doesn't mind her hanging around with a billionaire game developer that is obviously attracted to her.

For some reason they are kept in this artificial construct, there's no reason given, they are kept apart, for no reason. The machines are no longer at war with humanity so, why this is done is never explained.

The matrix that Neo and Trinity live in is populated by both humans and machines, but it's a virtual reality. Humans in it don't realize they are in an artificial reality.

I don't think anybody dies in the film, there doesn't feel like there are any stakes, of course, Trinity realizes her life is fake, the bad guy turns out to be Neo's psychoanalyst, his motivations for doing this to them makes no sense, he's the replacement for the Architect.

The whole culmination of the film is Neo and Trinity recognizing who they originally were and they get back together and meet in the "real world" and return to the matrix.

This is a 2 1/2 hour film. It's mostly fluff. All this film has done is convince me that transwomen aren't writers or directors.

richwicks says

As bad that #2 and #3 were, I'd say this is significantly worse.

So, it's bad, but it isn't one of those movies that is so bad it's good?

Some of the American Horror Story series manage to step back a little bit and camp quite a bit on all of the diversity, gay and politically correct stuff in self parody. Almost makes it palatable because it doesn't take itself seriously.

Ceffer says

So, it's bad, but it isn't one of those movies that is so bad it's good?

Ever seen a film in which the characters keep taking inexplicable actions which have no motivations? Like in Prometheus, the two guys run away because they are scared of 2000 year old dead body, but then one of them tries to get cuddly with some weird LIVING snake creature and is killed by it?

This film is like that.

There's no explanation as to why Neo and Trinity are 1) resurrected and 2) put into a new matrix and 3) kept apart and 4) had their memories erased and 5) are being forcibly kept in the matrix.

SJW BS wasn't the problem of the film, it's just it made no fucking sense to me at all.

I swear, anybody that has any writing ability or is able to think like a NORMAL human being isn't allowed to write for Hollyweird anymore. The script just makes no fucking sense at all.

I just want to see a coherent plot one more time damnit!

Yup. Hollywood must be torture for talented screenwriters if they are even hired over the spoiled, talentless connected dynastic brats who seem to be in charge these days.

"Hey, you didn't put enough black computer geniuses in that script, go re-do it!"

Ceffer says

Wachowski brothers became Wachowski sisters after the original Matrix movies were made. What could possibly go wrong?

Holy shit, they did. Ugh.

Ceffer says

Yup. Hollywood must be torture for talented screenwriters if they are even hired over the spoiled, talentless connected dynastic brats who seem to be in charge these days.

There's the whole internet saying "you screwed up here, this makes no sense, this character has no motivation" etc - but the response is, get rid of comments on IMDB, turn off comments on Youtube and even remove downvotes, and censor user comments on Rotten Tomatoes. It's clear they don't want input.

Back when Babylon 5 was a thing, many people would propose plot ideas, only to have the writers say "don't send us this stuff, we can't use it because of possible litigation" so people started prefacing their posts by saying whatever idea that they proposed was "public domain / free for use" knowing they didn't want to be a writer anyhow, and any idea they came up with would never make them money regardless.

It wasn't the best series, but I can say with certainty that some of the ideas thrown out there were used.

It's quite clear at this point that nobody in Hollywierd wants to get input, so, I predict film to be a dead artform by 2050. I think it will become more distributed and done by hobbyists in the future.

richwicks says

The whole culmination of the film is Neo and Trinity recognizing who they originally were and they get back together and meet in the "real world" and return to the matrix.

The plot or let's call it, the primary theme (or prime directive in Star Trek terms) is the "Rise of Trinity". In this new Matrix, Keanu is reduced to finally becoming a washed up John Wick (w/ a bank account from designing software) and Trinity needs to shine in his place, much like Rey in Star Wars against both Han and Luke, nevermind the other clowns of Finn & Poe.

Does the rest of the story make any sense? Nope!

Rin says

The plot or let's call it, the primary theme (or prime directive in Star Trek terms) is the "Rise of Trinity". In this new Matrix, Keanu is reduced to finally becoming a washed up John Wick (w/ a bank account from designing software) and Trinity needs to shine in his place, much like Rey in Star Wars against both Han and Luke, nevermind the other clowns of Finn & Poe.

I don't think this was a SJW story.

It was just a crap story.

Trinity didn't turn out to be a Mary Sue, at the WORST, the film suggested that the two were more powerful together than apart, symbiotic. I can appreciate that, even though it's kind of hackneyed.

Still, I would not recommend this film. It's convoluted, and it's nonsensical. Characters do things that make no sense and there's no explanations for what takes place when there needs to be explanation. For some reason, both are resurrected in a new matrix, for some reason both have their memories wiped, for some reason they are being held captive in this new matrix, for some reason the machines that control this new matrix want to keep them apart.

Why?

It's a very contrived film. The Wachowskis were a one hit wonder. Rumors were they STOLE the first script - and now I suspect that is true, because they didn't understand the underlying meaning of the script. Basically, "the Matrix" is nothing more than an allegory for our (at the time) current propaganda - a false reality. The machines represented the government/propagandists and the red pilled people represented those that overcame this false reality which didn't just become machines themselves, but people. The 2nd and 3rd films were just uninspired money makers.

This 4th film, is just a money grab since everything they've made since their original film has been a failure, but one "woman" sat it out. Maybe he/she is the real talent of the duo. We'll see.

richwicks says

Trinity didn't turn out to be a Mary Sue, at the WORST, the film suggested that the two were more powerful together than apart, symbiotic. I can appreciate that, even though it's kind of hackneyed.

Yes, I stopped watching by that point in time. I was already bored out of my mind.

richwicks says

This 4th film, is just a money grab since everything they've made since their original film has been a failure, but one "woman" sat it out. Maybe he/she is the real talent of the duo. We'll see.

Since I'm not watching, I hope to never see.

richwicks says

The Wachowskis were a one hit wonder. Rumors were they STOLE the first script - and now I suspect that is true, because they didn't understand the underlying meaning of the script. Basically, "the Matrix" is nothing more than an allegory for our (at the time) current propaganda - a false reality. The machines represented the government/propagandists and the red pilled people represented those that overcame this false reality

A vast majority of Matrix viewers don't know of the Cyberpunk genre

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk

In terms of the mainstream, movies like Minority Report & the Matrix would be the most successful Cyperpunk films but because the average viewers have little concept of the realm, they think that it's revolutionary and ahead of its time when it isn't.

I always think of William Gibson when I hear the word cyberpunk.

RC2006 says

I always think of William Gibson when I hear the word cyberpunk.

Well, he did write the original "Neuromancer", as well as a the first Keanu Reeves dystopian story, "Johnny Mnemonic".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer?source=patrick.net

So yeah, the mainstream "Matrix" fans are way behind their times, if they think that that movie was revolutionary. The "Matrix" was Gibson's "Neuromancer" but as a fleshed out screenplay than a one off novella.

There's a Cyberpunk 2077 computer game for playstation, maybe I'll get it, but supposed to be buggy. I love the Deus EX series games, played the first one on Mac computer.

https://www.gamestop.com/video-games/playstation-4/products/cyberpunk-2077---playstation-4/202330.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA_JWOBhDRARIsANymNOaLVePJBTWQmnRic5tx0JWI3GHpBkbJUebcJXtmFYhpsum4HA78dH8aAlwQEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&source=patrick.net

Seems like the whole point of this movie is to demonstrate our reality - especially those who might question it - as recursive. Like one of those endless Mandelbrot thingys. The temple creeps in Hyperborea are laughing at us!

Did they replace all the white people in this sequel as well?

Well, a "woke" version of The Matrix was predicted in 1994:
https://youtu.be/XVfCEzdWi-U?source=patrick.net

Sorry for the YouTube link, can't find it elsewhere.

Yeah it really is that guy from The Matrix.

IMHO, the 'Matrix' was done, starting episode 1.

All of its Cyberpunk & cultural contributions were completed by movie's end and yes, Trinity's contribution was a joke, esp given that 'love could heal a bullet wound' was the punchline of that finale.

Afterwards, what was left to do? To have "Section 8" Zion denizens fight some roving sentenials?!

And when Neo & Trinity returned from their journey in the Matrix to Zion capital city & boinked away like any normal couple, that Neo was suppose to 'heal' these poor 3rd worlders, outside of his apartment building? Last I'd checked, he didn't have healing powers, only the ability to manipulate the computerized virtual reality of the Matrix. That entire Mother Theresa/Jesus Christ scene was a joke! The most he could do was give a pep talk and then perhaps, direct 'em towards Rin who could perhaps supply 'em with vitamins and supplements to heal their sore knees, swollen gums, hemorrhoids, etc.

Rin says

hemorrhoids

Dr Evil: "On the (w)hole, I think Preparation H feels good"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi5kXcc-TJ8&source=patrick.net

Tenpoundbass says

Ya'll remember Iwog tried to hijack the red pill, by saying it was when Men go their won way. Men Going Their Own Way.

What ever happened to iwog? Didn't he take off to Central America?

porkchopexpress says

What ever happened to iwog? Didn't he take off to Central America?

I think it was Chile, where 12 year olds can consent.

Onvacation says

porkchopexpress says

What ever happened to iwog? Didn't he take off to Central America?

I think it was Chile, where 12 year olds can consent.

That's right. He was giving off pedo vibes.

Rin says

Neo was suppose to 'heal' these poor 3rd worlders, outside of his apartment building? Last I'd checked, he didn't have healing powers, only the ability to manipulate the computerized virtual reality of the Matrix.

Neo was clearly doing and analyzing Pap smears in the movie. However, the scenes of Neo getting his Red Wings were left on the cutting room floor.