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YUP. The ACLU, 1980-2010, was generally a good thing. Now its reverted to it's pre 1980 Leftwing Activist Roots.

See also:
https://patrick.net/post/1338949/2021-04-26-corrupt-and-cowardly-aclu-refuses-to-sp#comment-1779952

ACLU is an anti US, racist and terror supporting org, it should be banned from US.

“When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.”

steverbeaver says

“When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.”

I don’t think the jab is a Jewish plot. The sheer fact that Israel was first on the jab list and sports one of the highest jab rates in the world speaks to that. In fact, I think whoever is in charge of this plot is trying to finish the job Hitler began. If the jab truly is a jab, Jews are about to be more rare than pandas at a petting zoo. About the only ones who will be left are the ultra orthodox sort.

steverbeaver says

“When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.”

Right, which is why 80%+ of Israelis are double vaxxed, and 24% triple vaxxed. Yet Israel has sky high cases and deaths, higher than the winter peak. It's the #1 COVID country right now.

Jews are killing Jews for the sake of killing the Goyim or some crap.

The Talmud is mostly bullshit, the Jewish Equivalent of Catholic-Orthodox added extrabiblical special sauce based on "Tradition" and "Councils" and "Doctors of the Church" (Temple in this case). But here is the source of your "Quote", it's very dry Leviticus/Deuteronomy Style ritual law stuff:

Idol worshipers, with whom there is no war with us, and Jewish shepherds of thin animals ["behemah dakah" - a category of animals, including sheep and rams, which one is forbidden to raise in the Land of Israel due to the fact that they consume every creature in their way, thus hindering the mitzvah of settling the Land -translator's note] in the Land of Israel, at a time when most of the fields belong to Jews, and [consequent laws that] derive from this [apply], one may not allow the [idol worshipers] to die, but it is forbidden to save them if [the rescuer] is likely to die [trying to save them], such as [a case where one] saw one of them who fell into the sea, one does not pull him out even if he will be paid. Thus, one must not heal them, even for payment, unless there is reason [to save them] on the grounds of [preventing] hatred [of Jews]. Rema: for then [under those circumstances] it is permitted even for free [without payment] to save them, if he will not be able to be dropped even for free. (Beit Yosef in the name of the Ramban). And thus it is (Rema: it would be) permitted to attempt to heal a Cutite [non-Jew] if one is so inclined (Tosfot and the Mordechai Pe"m and in the Sma"g). Which things are being discussed, regarding a Jew with sins and who stands by his wickedness consistently, such as the shepherd of a thin animal [behemah dakah] who unload stolen wares ["parku b'gazel] and they go in their foolish ways. But a Jew who has sins, [but] who does not stand by his wickedness consistently, [and] rather does sins for personal benefit, such as one who eats forbidden foods to satisfy his appetite, it's a mitzvah to save him and it's forbidden to let him die (literally: stand by his blood).

https://www.sefaria.org/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.158.1?ven=Sefaria_Community_Translation&lang=en&with=Translations&lang2=en

To be specific, a Cutite is a non-Jewish Pagan settled by the King of Assyria in Israel following the defeat of the 10 of 12 Tribes (but famously not Judah). Although this was long before Christ, Hostile Talmud Readers dishonestly translate Cutite as all "Goyim" or even "Christian"

No mention of ladders, only no obligation to save drowning Idol Worshipers or Jewish Herders of Sheep and Goats who eat up grass creating erosion problems (!!!) if it puts a practicing Jew's life at risk. But in the latter case only if Jews are running Israel. However, you're allowed to risk your Jewish Ass to save Idol Worshipers if it reduces anti-semitism.

A far cry from going out and pushing a ladder with some Goy on it just to be an asshole.

Notice at the end of Sinan 157, it's forbidden for a Jew to disguise himself as an idol worshiper to avoid taxation if there is no physical danger from being a Jew.

The Talmud is really bizarre.

For example, it makes you a Mamzer ('Excommunicant') if a Jewish Woman commits adultery with a Jewish Man not her husband, and you are the product of that relationship. But if a Jewish Woman screws a Gentile on the side, the child is considered fully Jewish!

Most of the laws are far more concerned with ritual purity/behavior of Jews, than anything about Gentiles who are simply considered "outside" the equation.

Another example, it's a Sin to annoint a Common Jew with Temple Oil, but NOT a Sin to annoint a Gentile with that same Temple Oil. Since the Temple Oil is only a clannish Jew thing and the concern of being a Levite or not is internal to Judaism.

Much the same way Buddhists or Hindus aren't worried about the Caste of Foreigners or bothering to find out if they're Brahmins or Untouchables or whatever.

The Oral Law is self refuted in Kings where the OT talks about how the exiles forgot even Passover, yet claims it was handed down along side the OT Laws to the Levites around the time of Moses coming down from Mount Sinai. If they had the Oral Law, they wouldn't have forgotten Passover.

Jews who don't hold the Talmud are called "Karaites".

ACLU is just another commie org. They fight for freedoms only when it benefits their ulterior agenda.

Read this for some enlightenment: https://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/blog/baldwin.pdf

When talking about the Soviet Union, this director of the ACLU says:

"I saw in the Soviet Union many opponents of the regime. I visited a dozen prisons - the political sections among them. I saw considerable of the the work of the OGPU. I heard a good many stories of severity, even brutality, and many of them from the victims. While I sympathized with personal distress I just could not bring myself to get excited over the suppression of opposition when I stacked it up against what I saw of fresh, vigorous expressions of free living by workers and peasants all over the land. And further, no champion of a socialist society could fail to see that some suppression was necessary to achieve it. It could not all be done by persuasion."

Karloff says

ACLU is just another commie org. They fight for freedoms only when it benefits their ulterior agenda.

Yes, for most of it's history, with a brief gap in the 80s-2000s. Starting with Obama, it began to revert to it's pre 80s Leftist Pimping.

It never gave any kind of shit about the 2nd or 10th Amendments at any time. It's stance has also been Maximum Immigration and fought every attempt of Congress to restrict it, even though the Constitution gives Congress absolute power over it.

Patrick says

Thanks @MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou I find this stuff interesting.

I met a Karaite once, an Egyptian guy, but that was the only one that I know of. They have a small temple in Daly City I think.

Thanks, Pat.

Yeah, it's real interesting. My mind was blown about the philosophy behind the so-called Oral Torah, the earliest parts of which date from 300AD at the very earliest. Long after the NT was written.

Right, strikes me as kind of a bullshit justification for negating the instruction in the Torah where it says nothing may be added or taken away.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-aclu-prior-to-covid-denounced?token=patrick.net

The ACLU, Prior to COVID, Denounced Mandates and Coercive Measures to Fight Pandemics
In a New York Times op-ed this week, the group completely reversed its views, arguing vaccine mandates help civil liberties and bodily autonomy "is not absolute."

Glenn Greenwald

And here's what the ACLU thought only 16 months ago. I wonder what changed?
Coronavirus 'Immunity Passports' are not the Answer
A system of immunity passports in the United States threatens to exacerbate racial disparities and harm the civil liberties of all.

ACLU furthers being faggots

EBGuy says

I wonder what changed?

Probably an extra 7 figures in their bank account is what changed.

Karloff says

Probably an extra 7 figures in their bank account is what changed.

That and the changing of the guard at the White House.
Nice to see the demise of the ACLU covered by Rising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa9tXpZVMY4

"Mighty Ira" - the man who ran the ACLU for two decades, when it defended everybody's speech. He's not pleased with the current incarnation.
https://www.wgbh.org/news/commentary/2020/10/22/mighty-ira-a-documentary-about-the-man-who-defined-american-civil-liberties