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Is there anything a government cannot do to you?

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Aug 2, 4:32pm 273 views   26 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.theblaze.com/blaze-news/horowitz-why-dershowitz-is-wrong-to-apply-jacobson-decision-in-support-of-vaccine-passports

If a government can box out a citizen from accessing all vital goods and services unless he takes an experimental vaccine — now with serious questions about safety and efficacy — is there anything a government cannot do to you? Well, thus far, the courts have relied on a 115-year-old court opinion, which has been implicitly overturned dozens of times, to justify any inhumane and illogical government mandate under the guise of exercising state police powers over public health. Unless we flush this decision — and the even more egregious interpretation of it — out of existence, our government will quite literally be able to take any action against our body.
1   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Aug 2, 5:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

From the article:
The Jacobson opinion mentions the "legislature" over a dozen times. For example, the opinion reads, "the legislature has the right to pass laws which, according to the common belief of the people, are adapted to prevent the spread of contagious diseases." Nearly all of the mandates being imposed now are being done by executive fiat without the input of the people's representatives."

That's the crux. Politicians and unelected bureaucrats are mandating an experimental biologic agent that has proven harmful short term effects and unknown longterm effects for a disease that is benign for the majority and treatable for most of the rest. But this is not about public health and safety but controlling the population in an attempt to dig themselves (the world governments) out of a hole.
2   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Aug 2, 5:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Democrats are ultra nazi. Trump didn't do any of this shit, he just talked shit which was a nice change from faggot ass sensitive bitches and snitches PC culture.
3   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 2, 5:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Democrats are ultra nazi. Trump didn't do any of this shit, he just talked shit which was a nice change from faggot ass sensitive bitches and snitches PC culture.

Trump still stands behind vaccination. I haven't heard him say shit about this tyranny. Maybe I've missed it?
4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 2, 5:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Democrats are ultra nazi. Trump didn't do any of this shit, he just talked shit which was a nice change from faggot ass sensitive bitches and snitches PC culture.


This is absolutely true.

The real fascists are all Democrats.

They are intolerant, authoritarian, violent, and merged with corporate power.
5   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 2, 5:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WineHorror1 says
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Democrats are ultra nazi. Trump didn't do any of this shit, he just talked shit which was a nice change from faggot ass sensitive bitches and snitches PC culture.

Trump still stands behind vaccination. I haven't heard him say shit about this tyranny. Maybe I've missed it?


True, this is a major failure on the part of Trump.
6   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 2, 5:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
From the article:
The Jacobson opinion mentions the "legislature" over a dozen times. For example, the opinion reads, "the legislature has the right to pass laws which, according to the common belief of the people, are adapted to prevent the spread of contagious diseases." Nearly all of the mandates being imposed now are being done by executive fiat without the input of the people's representatives."

That's the crux. Politicians and unelected bureaucrats are mandating an experimental biologic agent that has proven harmful short term effects and unknown longterm effects for a disease that is benign for the majority and treatable for most of the rest. But this is not about public health and safety but controlling the population in an attempt to dig themselves (the world governments) out of a hole.


The Federal Government has no grounds to do any of this to us. The FDA and CDC, NIH, and DPH at the Federal level are all unconstitutional entities. As well as any so called laws that the legislature has “passed” that are not supported by or are in conflict of the constitution of the United States of America. These are all government functions reserved to the States should the people of those individual states choose to create and enforce those functions in their individual state constitutions, should they not violate the Constitution of the U.S. of A. That’s the real meaning of Supremacy, it’s validity hinges on the constitution, otherwise it’s moot.
7   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 2, 5:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Yet they are doing it.

This is why we have the Second Amendment.

When people are being fired or disenrolled from college because they refuse to have their bodily integrity violated, then We The People have the God given right to abolish the current government, exactly as the founders did:

... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


The secret police in the employ of globo-homo to suppress the Constitution (the FBI) should be the first government agency abolished.
8   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Aug 2, 5:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

They cannot misgender you. Everything else is on the table.
9   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 2, 6:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think Trump's position is a cold calculation of war. Remember, he knew it was a fake psyops from the beginning. They were planning on holding the shutdown for years, because 'no vaccine', and the campaign of fear worked on too many of the idiot people.

He forced the vaccination to remove the campaign of fear and their justification for continuing lockdowns and destroying the economy. The vaccine made the 'artificially afraid' reassured again. He also accelerated the plan for rolling out the vaccines way before they wanted, forcing the Gatesian demons to commit to them. If the vaccines generate a body count, it's the cost of war and the blame will eventually fall on the Globalists and the Deep (Shallow) State.

The casualties of this route are probably less than those of allowing the tyranny to continue. However, as we now, see, they don't need any science based reason to continue the tyranny, they just manufacture it out of thin air. It's pretty clear now that the psyops has shifted to calling the vaccine casualties and any standard flu casualties 'new strains' of Covid to continue to lockdowns and the elimination of all rights.
10   Karloff   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 2, 7:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The one thing they cannot do to me is the one thing I would like them to do. That is, leave me the hell alone.
11   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 2, 10:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
He forced the vaccination to remove the campaign of fear


As evidence grows regarding the safety and efficacy of the experimental injections, if he is an honest man then he must change his mind and call it as it is, an unnecessary risk for the majority of Americans and humans for that matter. If he will not admit that the injections are not ending the fake crisis, but they are injuring and killing thousands of people then he is either stubborn, stupid or part of the deception. It is becoming hard to give him a pass on this, he seems to have sold us out the big pharma after all.
12   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 2, 10:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PeopleUnited says
It is becoming hard to give him a pass on this, he seems to have sold us out the big pharma after all.

Remember, he's 'not a doctor', our wonderful CDC and Fauci are. He's also not telling anyone to get it that doesn't want it. If you want your officially certified antidote to fear, go ahead and get the jab.
Of course, everybody who has gotten the jab are now discovering it didn't do a thing to earn them back their 'privileges', much less prevent positive Covid tests. All it did is earn them another jab from the guys who promised them all the shit from the first jabs (and never intended to deliver, because that was never the program).

How many jabs before they 'wake up'? I guess it depends on how tough they are to the agents in their bodies.
13   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 2, 10:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

How long are they going to hide the fact that most of the infected were vaccinated customers paid by tax payers and created money out of thin air to pump inflation an stealth tax. Pharma guys are shameless to extract again and again from the same customers as new customers are scarce to get.
14   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 2, 10:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Blue says
Pharma guys are shameless to extract again and again from the same customers as new customers are scarce to get.





If mass deaths and sterility occur, the pharma guys will all be hanged, along with all the public health officials and politicians and media around the world who encouraged the injection, knowing that it was not at all safe.

Their "immunity from lawsuits" is not going to help them at all when several billion angry relatives come after them.
15   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 2, 11:37pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

Just a reminder to all you right wing nut jobs. The original war for our bodies went into high gear in the 70's under Nixon, and the 80's under Reagan. Before government could force something into our bodies, they had the fight the war to prohibit something from going in. This is just the other shoe dropping, and you all are just as complicit as the left wing nut jobs.

The normal people would like you to all relocate to an island where you will engage in blood sport until all the nutjobs are extinct. It's call Australia, and they've already started without you.
17   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 4, 2:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
Before government could force something into our bodies, they had the fight the war to prohibit something from going in.

Elaborate?
18   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 4, 11:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PeopleUnited says
NuttBoxer says
Before government could force something into our bodies, they had the fight the war to prohibit something from going in.

Elaborate?


A person's body is sovereign. Does not mean everything you do to yourself is good, obviously suicide and drug abuse are bad. But it does mean only you have the right to decide what you do with your body, good or bad. This includes what you put on it, and in it. If you want to wear shorts in the winter, that is your right. If you want to eat McDonalds till you croak, you can. And if you don't want to drink the cool-aide, you don't have to. But with the War on Us(Us because you cannot shoot or arrest drugs), that changed. Suddenly you could take away someone's freedom because of what they chose to put into their bodies. With mandatory injections, we have now reached the logical conclusion of that train of thought. If you can mandate what someone cannot ingest, you can also mandate what they can ingest.

This is why it's SO vitally important that we analyze new ideas critically rather than just piling on because it touches an emotional trigger for us. If you supported the War on Us, I seriously doubt you ever considered the ramifications of that decision.
19   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 4, 12:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
If you supported the War on Us, I seriously doubt you ever considered the ramifications of that decision.

Exactly, the War on Drugs is a war on us, it is also a war against the ability to make your own healthcare choices. Well said! But let’s not be divisive, just as a person fighting for the right to choose killing unborn babies did not realize they were dehumanizing all of us, the people who supported and still support the war on drugs don’t realize they are supporting a bloated and tyrannical police state. We need to educate, not demonize our fellow Americans.
20   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Aug 4, 12:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WineHorror1 says
Trump still stands behind vaccination.


Trump did say that he is against forced vaccination, it's on his website, I read it a week ago or so.

Why would he be against vaccines in general otherwise? It's a choice man, you want them you take them. I'm not anti vaccine, I just don't think it's for me because I already had COVID and I rather wait it out.
21   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 4, 12:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
It's a choice man, you want them you take them.


It's not really a choice if you can be fired or blocked from university for refusing.

It's coercion.

In direct violation of the Nuremberg Code.
22   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 4, 12:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PeopleUnited says
the people who supported and still support the war on drugs don’t realize they are supporting a bloated and tyrannical police state. We need to educate, not demonize our fellow Americans.


That's kind of my point. There is no "side" to blame here, because they're both equally guilty. And I don't mind calling it like it is because I know patnetters can take it.

Now that this has come full circle, I think we should all take a good hard look before blaming the other side, and see if our side didn't contribute to the mess. Only then can we realize that the only side that matters is free humans against slave masters.
23   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 4, 1:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
the only side that matters is free humans against slave masters


I agree 100%

"Republican" politicians are for the most part just another aspect of the Uniparty which is stomping our rights and exporting our jobs for the benefit of the oligarcy, namely Bezos, the Walton Family, Soros, etc.
24   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 4, 1:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
That's kind of my point. There is no "side" to blame here, because they're both equally guilty.


Or equally captured by the Intelligence Agencies. Have you noticed that even MAGA Republicans who’ve been elected in the last few years haven’t always voted with the people and rather voted with the slavers? If we can’t depend on those we preferentially select to be our advocates, how does our representative Democratic Republic work for us at all?
If the Reps elected by us are captured by Intelligence blackmail, or bribed by Chinese or oligarch money, they cease to represent anyone and become tools of the slave masters.
Unfortunately, I don’t see how this changes without a French-style Revolution. The wealthy elite who run this country are too powerful, too rich, and too untouchable. We may as well have a king and nobility who rule over we serfs for all the choice we get in determining how our government will act.
25   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Aug 4, 1:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PeopleUnited says
NuttBoxer says
If you supported the War on Us, I seriously doubt you ever considered the ramifications of that decision.

Exactly, the War on Drugs is a war on us, it is also a war against the ability to make your own healthcare choices. Well said! But let’s not be divisive, just as a person fighting for the right to choose killing unborn babies did not realize they were dehumanizing all of us, the people who supported and still support the war on drugs don’t realize they are supporting a bloated and tyrannical police state. We need to educate, not demonize our fellow Americans.


There is no war on drugs. There's a war to eliminate competition. Our government is the drug dealer. It's been proven over and over again. Gary Webb write a book called Dark Alliance outlining how the CIA brought crack to the inner cities in the 1980s.

Our government is a mafia.

And there are no political sides either. That's a distraction. If we really had two parties, ONE of them would be against war. ONE of them would be against our government running drugs.

We have a senile old man as "president", nobody in the parties object except to give the appearance they object. Our government is a criminal syndicate, their job is to exploit the population, not to protect it. 500 people are in prison today for the "insurrection" of January 6th. They are political prisoners. Julian Assange is a political prisoner. There are no BLM or Antifa assholes in prison right now for the endless riots, arson, and even murders of last year. Kyle Rittenhouse is in prison though, awaiting trial. Derek Chauvin is in prison after being railroaded because a criminal drug addict over dosed.

Chavin wouldn't have had to overdose, if possession of drugs, which our government sells, wasn't illegal. Chauvin didn't kill Floyd, the government did by making possession a serious crime. It's insane.

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