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2021 Jun 14, 8:31pm   1,646 views  53 comments

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Preliminary reports from AZ are that as many as 250,000 votes missing. If AZ decertifies, then Trump can demand forensic audits of all states. If a state refuses to audit on its own, then the military can enforce the audits? Interesting if true.

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1   porkchopXpress   2021 Jun 14, 9:48pm  

Is it gay that I get sexually aroused fantasizing about this?
2   richwicks   2021 Jun 14, 10:16pm  

Ceffer says
If a state refuses to audit on its own, then the military can enforce the audits?


The military won't. Think about it, they are an organization that can prosecute their workers if they refuse to follow an order, no matter how illegal it is, or how immoral it is.

Their oath to the Constitution means nothing.

Ceffer says
Interesting if true.


It's not true.

Biden isn't really the president anyhow. The MIC is. The MILITARY Industrial Complex overthrew the nation through ballot fraud last year.

They aren't going to help, they don't give a fuck about the Constitution, and they will never fight against domestic enemies. The military is RUN by domestic enemies.
3   Ceffer   2021 Jun 14, 10:20pm  

porkchopexpress says
Is it gay that I get sexually aroused fantasizing about this?

Well, it IS about a bunch of assholes going down.
4   HeadSet   2021 Jun 15, 7:17am  

Where are you getting the idea that the military has any authority in this area? Even if they did, they are under direct control of the President and SecDef.
5   Rin   2021 Jun 15, 8:02am  

HeadSet says
Where are you getting the idea that the military has any authority in this area? Even if they did, they are under direct control of the President and SecDef.


Yes, if so, then the US would have actually won the Vietnam War, instead of it turning into a decade long shit show.

McNamara & the politicians ran the war in DC with General Westmoreland being a clown actor, using stupid stats like kill nos to show a win vs actually capturing and stopping the NVA.

Realize, despite the hippies protesting the invasion of Cambodia in '70, the CIA used American mercenaries, rogue troops, along with Air America to support anti-Khmer Rouge and anti-Pathet Lao guerrillas in an illegal war going on behind the lines before the official Nixonian invasion.

The fact that not a single division was allowed to invade the south of North Vietnam to create a buffer zone against troop accumulation, along with the Ho Chi Minh trail, along the Cambodia-Lao border, made the war into an inevitable loss esp when rationing kicked in during Vietnamization and the withdrawal period.
6   Ceffer   2021 Jun 15, 12:22pm  

HeadSet says
Where are you getting the idea that the military has any authority in this area? Even if they did, they are under direct control of the President and SecDef.

Military's oath is to protect the Constitution and the citizenry, not the Federal Government. They are the fall back when the Fed has gone completely corrupt, as it has, the elections are stolen, and foreign powers have taken over the politicians, as they have. DoD in its strictest sense is advisory.

Why do you think Biden has been traveling around in mothballed beaters trussed up to look like AF1 but has never to date had an AF1 call sign on his planes? Why does Trump still have military transport and Trump says the military is preparing a nice jet for him for his future rallies? Trump's executive orders about foreign interference in the elections cannot be cancelled until the military says so, and they haven't said so.
7   HeadSet   2021 Jun 15, 12:57pm  

Ceffer says
Military's oath is to protect the Constitution and the citizenry,

First, you obey the lawful orders of the people appointed over you. No one from the SECDEF down to senior officers is going to order any kind of action on the election.

Why do you think Biden has been traveling around in mothballed beaters trussed up to look like AF1 but has never to date had an AF1 call sign on his planes?

Check your facts. Any plane the President is on, including a Cessna, gets the call sign Air Force One or Marine One. I would bet that whatever plane Biden flew to the G-7 meeting on had the call sign "Air Force One."
8   Reality   2021 Jun 15, 1:11pm  

Rin says
Yes, if so, then the US would have actually won the Vietnam War, instead of it turning into a decade long shit show.


IMHO, the grand strategy there was always drawing the line at the water's edge, i.e.: defending the resource-rich areas of Indonesia, Malaya (and Brunei) that are essentially islands (Malay peninsula has a very narrow strip to the north), but not necessarily any part of Vietnam or Cambodia. It's just like fully "winning" the Korean War (taking all of Korean Peninsula) would result in a front line more than twice as wide along the borders with Soviet Union and Communist China (contrasting with the 38th Parallel), fully "winning" the Vietnam War would push up against the Communist China border, which would require a long-term US troop commitment like in Korea (50-60k each place). That result would not make much sense, when a rear-guard action in Vietnam could allow stiffening anti-communist forces in the resource rich island nations to the south of Vietnam, eventually leaving a war-torn Vietnam with scarcely any resources to the communists. Besides, it didn't take long for Vietnamese Communists (sponsored by the Soviet Union) to become hostile to the Chinese Communists. . . which was a predictable result given the conflict between Soviet Union vs. China in the 1960's.
9   NDrLoR   2021 Jun 15, 1:19pm  

There's a guy who is friends with a mutual car collector friend of mine who seems nice enough, but even for me he seems a bit paranoid and likes to jump at the latest gossip--I'm one of about 10 others in mass emails and several times a day IM's on Facebook. This sounds like what he sent out earlier today:

"There are numerous reports from different sources which say that the military is secretly in control of the country and that the current administration will be taken down by the fall for treason. Seems there's truth to the theory that the election was stolen and the guess is that the military know who's involved and that they'll be arrested in the coming month(s). A lotta D's are going to fall and some R's too, of course. I certainly hope that this is a confirming signal that good things are happening behind the scenes."
10   AmericanKulak   2021 Jun 15, 1:31pm  

Patrick says
The question is how much integrity our military officers have.


Yeah, not much. We got Infantry LTC's whinging about CRT.

Good news is the combat vets are in the civilian world and mostly pro-Trump.
11   Rin   2021 Jun 15, 1:32pm  

Reality says
defending the resource-rich areas of Indonesia, Malaya (and Brunei) that are essentially islands (Malay peninsula has a very narrow strip to the north)


Thailand was already there for that and since the US had a long standing base at the northeast, Ubon, this would never have become a problem. It would suggest that Vietnam was little more than a last stand zoning region, kinda like the Scottish Lowlands, directly north of Hadrian's Wall, for the ancient Romans.

As for the strategy for S. Vietnam, there really wasn't any. The lengthy border region encompassing Cambodia and Laos, was used by all the communists: the Khmer Rouge (Cambodians), the Pathet Lao (Laotians), and the Vietnamese(NVA plus VC). A lot of ppl don't know about these supporting militias all along the Ho Chi Minh trail.

Sending in US platoons, into the fields/jungles of South Vietnam, just to be assaulted and have 'em call in for air strikes, wasn't a plan.

Instead of that ... buttressing the Ho Chi Minh Trail, the border with the north, and then, focusing on a Vietnamization plan, would have worked better. But then '64 and '68, when the public and Congress wasn't completely against the war, the troika of Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, and James Westmoreland blew it.
12   HeadSet   2021 Jun 15, 1:40pm  

the military know who's involved and that they'll be arrested in the coming month(s).

The military has no power to arrest anyone unless you are on a military facility. At best, they can testify with any info they collected. But even then, the DOJ would have to prosecute, and there is always the result of evidence not being admissible because of rules prohibiting use of military to enforce the law.

Suppose the investigations in Arizona uncover overwhelming proof of election rigging. If the Arizona AG decides to use "prosecutorial discretion" and make no arrests or take any other action, nothing happens. FBI is already looking for ways to prosecute the whistleblowers. So is the DOJ.
13   AmericanKulak   2021 Jun 15, 1:56pm  

Rin says

Sending in US platoons, into the fields/jungles of South Vietnam, just to be assaulted and have 'em call in for air strikes, wasn't a plan.


Nor was "Management by Target" focusing on Kills.

The correct strategy was to force Land Redistribution to Villagers, and create rugged individualist farmers, and arm them to the teeth and train them in calling in air and arty support.
14   Ceffer   2021 Jun 15, 1:56pm  

HeadSet says
Check your facts. Any plane the President is on, including a Cessna, gets the call sign Air Force One or Marine One. I would bet that whatever plane Biden flew to the G-7 meeting on had the call sign "Air Force One."


If you want more info on this topic, watch Monkey Werx on You Tube and go back to his previous episodes. He tracks military and political planes a couple of times a week. He has said on several occasions how weird it is that Biden craft don't have AF1 call signs, nor Kamala craft AF2. They have even allowed Biden and Kamala on the same craft, a big no no. If you really want to know, there is information out there about the high weirdness of Biden-staging and Kamala-staging and planes since the 'inauguration' in alternative medias.
15   AmericanKulak   2021 Jun 15, 1:58pm  

Shit is definitely weird, we do live in Interesting Times. I'm just not seeing any action, which I suppose, if it's a real counter-coup, we hopefully wouldn't see any concrete evidence.

I think the plan was to replace Biden in 2022 with Kamala so she could run for two more terms. It's pretty clear that is really pushing it at this point; Bidens will be crapping his drawers and have problems swallowing soon no matter how many pep pills he takes.
16   AmericanKulak   2021 Jun 15, 2:09pm  

The bitter pill is that it'll be a long hard slog. We got off to easy for decades of jerking off if all it took was Trump.

Shit is rotten to the core, and we have to retake Hill 342 from the faggots starting from the base by replacing school boards, taking over REPUBLICAN committeeman (third parties will be auto-fucked, no chance in fuck they will be fucking viable, Dem-Reps will just keep raising the ballot requirements and you have to build complete national infra from scratch), and offering a viable concrete alternative to Globohomo and not operating within their framework unless it's temproarily useful or funny.
17   Rin   2021 Jun 15, 2:37pm  

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

The correct strategy was to force Land Redistribution to Villagers, and create rugged individualist farmers, and arm them to the teeth and train them in calling in air and arty support.


Which sounds like a proper 'Vietnamization' of the war, once the borders of Cambodia, Laos, and North Vietnam were secure.
18   HeadSet   2021 Jun 15, 2:38pm  

Ceffer says
watch Monkey Werx on You Tube and go back to his previous episodes. He tracks military and political planes a couple of times a week.

I will check that out
19   Ceffer   2021 Jun 15, 2:55pm  

I, of course, don't know. Some of it resides in the murkiness of whether Trump signed the Insurrection Act, which could have remained a secret and does not expire until it is declared to expire. We are still in a 'state of emergency' from 9/11, and they have never lifted it. Many commentators have said that the military plays a role when the civilian government is irreversibly corrupted. I believe that that is a credible position. Whether it would ever come to fruition as in Myanmar or with Abraham Lincoln's actions is another speculation.

It's almost like saying that if you get away with election fraud, that once you have gotten away with it, there is no recourse to reverse it, so the criminal ends really do justify the means. Seizing the Presidency through overt fraud and foreign manipulation is not an actionable offense in any meaningful way. It also means that the military merely 'stands down' when a corrupt transfer of power takes place in the Presidency. There is quite a bit to suggest they have not stood down, even if they haven't taken overt action.

The basic legal principle that 'fraud vitiates everything' doesn't come into play with demonstrable election fraud?
20   Ceffer   2021 Jun 15, 3:04pm  

Here's another vid that includes in the latter half a pretty exhaustive analysis all the way from the USA corporation to the military's role, including citations from the DOD Law of War Manual about how and where actions are to be taken. How much of this is fake news for hopium addicts? He seems to be pretty thorough.
21   HeadSet   2021 Jun 15, 3:14pm  

Ceffer says
How much of this is fake news for hopium addicts? He seems to be pretty thorough.

Or plants by lefties to discredit Conservatives, to dilute the credibility for when actual issues are brought up.
22   Reality   2021 Jun 15, 3:16pm  

Rin says
Thailand was already there for that and since the US had a long standing base at the northeast, Ubon, this would never have become a problem.


There were / had been very active communist revolutionary activities in Indonesia and Malaysia, both of which were rich in oil, gas and natural rubber (some 90+% of natural rubber production of the world at the time, amounting to over half of all rubber production). The war in Vietnam not only enabled more draconian anti-communist enforcement in these two countries, but also (the high cost of to North Vietnamese) drastically dampened left-leaning intellectuals' (both inside those countries and those in countries exporting communism) appetite for communist revolution in Indonesia and Malaysia.
23   richwicks   2021 Jun 15, 3:47pm  

Ceffer says
Why do you think Biden has been traveling around in mothballed beaters trussed up to look like AF1 but has never to date had an AF1 call sign on his planes?


What on Earth makes you think this is true?

Look, I hear the same bullshit as you do - but I know the type of person promoting this bullshit. I've listened to them as well - refresh your memory on what they said 2 years ago.

There were going to be perp walks soon, patriots were in control, and other bullshit nonsense. These are people selling hopium, but they are full of shit.

There are no white hats, there are no good people in government, there are no patriots, there is no resistance. Fucking military sold out the country years ago. They wipe that assholes with their oath to the constitution, then spit on it, then piss on it. Don't fool yourself, the US is done.
24   Ceffer   2021 Jun 15, 4:26pm  

HeadSet says
Or plants by lefties to discredit Conservatives, to dilute the credibility for when actual issues are brought up.

This is true. There are all kinds of click baits and fake news for insane conservatives, just like there is propaganda pablum for the Libs. Sorting through credibility in the age of programmed disinformation and propaganda is a challenge. It is said that even intelligence agencies have trouble distinguishing the fogs of disinformation, which led to many of the spy vs. spy dramas of WWII. There is clearly controlled opposition trying to cloud issues for conservatives by infiltration and confused crazy making.

Go to Bitchute and type in 'arrests' and come up with the false history of predicted arrests for the last several years. It's a depressing litany of false expectations and non-events.

It depends on what informations one chooses to credit or discredit. Citations to the DOD Law of War manual seem to have some credibility. I don't have any more credibility than most anyone who can only watch from the bleachers, but I can point to things I believe.

There are a few technicality hinges: Does even determinative election fraud reverse an election? If it doesn't then a basic principle of law is down the tubes. Can a state reverse its certifications based on forensic recounts? It seems so far they can if the state legislatures choose to do so, but we will have to see. If a single state de-certifies, what binding does that cast on the entire election, even if that state's de-certification is not determinative? What demands can or cannot be placed on the rest of the states? Can forensic examinations be imposed on all the states based on one state uncovering definitive proof of fraud? What happens when enough states do forensic audits, de-certify, and the frauds are determinative? A lot of these seem to be unexplored territory that have to be worked out.

Does the military play a role? I seems they do, but the how, when, where or if are the unanswered questions.
25   Rin   2021 Jun 15, 4:26pm  

Reality says

There were / had been very active communist revolutionary activities in Indonesia and Malaysia


Yes, I've heard, however, General Suharto of Indonesia maimed many of the communists in the archipelago back in '67, establishing himself as a pro-western dictator.

And apparently, he reigned from '67 to '97 with an iron fist w/o much opposition.

Now, contrast that with Cambodia and Laos, where the Khmer Rouge and the Pathet Lao exacted a mass genocide on the population during the late 70s. Though everyone knows about the Cambodian 'Killing Fields', a lot of ppl don't know that the Pathet Lao did the same to some 300K Laotians.
26   HeadSet   2021 Jun 15, 5:00pm  

Donald says
Before you talk about Biden's beater planes, you should check out Trump's personal 757. It is currently sitting in some upstate NY airport with a missing jet engine. CNN did a story on it a few months ago complete with pictures. I hope Trump likes flying commercial...

I guess this pushes the idea that Trump is short the funds to fix it. Well, I heard that being President cost Trump about a third of his net worth. Unlike Pelosi et al, Trump did not not make serious bank off his elected position. Trump pushed what he thought best for America, unlike Biden who has used political office for personal enrichment of self and family.
27   porkchopXpress   2021 Jun 15, 5:50pm  

Ceffer says
HeadSet says
Where are you getting the idea that the military has any authority in this area? Even if they did, they are under direct control of the President and SecDef.

Military's oath is to protect the Constitution and the citizenry, not the Federal Government. They are the fall back when the Fed has gone completely corrupt, as it has, the elections are stolen, and foreign powers have taken over the politicians, as they have. DoD in its strictest sense is advisory.

Why do you think Biden has been traveling around in mothballed beaters trussed up to look like AF1 but has never to date had an AF1 call sign on his planes? Why does Trump still have military transport and Trump says the military is preparing a nice jet for him for his future rallies? Trump's executive orders about foreign interference in the elections cannot be cancelled until the military says so, and they haven't said so.
Ceffer, you're giving me an erection. I'm not gay.
28   porkchopXpress   2021 Jun 15, 5:53pm  

Ceffer says
I, of course, don't know. Some of it resides in the murkiness of whether Trump signed the Insurrection Act, which could have remained a secret and does not expire until it is declared to expire. We are still in a 'state of emergency' from 9/11, and they have never lifted it. Many commentators have said that the military plays a role when the civilian government is irreversibly corrupted. I believe that that is a credible position. Whether it would ever come to fruition as in Myanmar or with Abraham Lincoln's actions is another speculation.

It's almost like saying that if you get away with election fraud, that once you have gotten away with it, there is no recourse to reverse it, so the criminal ends really do justify the means. Seizing the Presidency through overt fraud and foreign manipulation is not an actionable offense in any meaningful way. It also means that the military merely 'stands down' when a corrupt transfer of power takes place in the Presidency. There is quite...
As we've said before, it could be that the military is waiting for the audits to play out so that the populace can accept a removal of President or transfer of power. Otherwise, it would only be seen as a military coup.
29   Ceffer   2021 Jun 15, 6:02pm  

Also, some observers state there were mass casualty threats that had to be examined i.e. Biden is President not only through fraud, but through ongoing Globalist extortion. These things need to be sorted before action.
30   Booger   2021 Jun 15, 6:10pm  

porkchopexpress says
Is it gay that I get sexually aroused fantasizing about this?


No!
31   Reality   2021 Jun 15, 7:19pm  

Rin says
Yes, I've heard, however, General Suharto of Indonesia maimed many of the communists in the archipelago back in '67, establishing himself as a pro-western dictator.


That's exactly my point. Battle of Dien Bien Phu took place in the Spring of 1954; that's when French had their asses whipped by the commies porting/man-handling heavy artilleries into the hills surrounding the French fortress sitting in a valley (road nexus) far from coast on the Vietnam-Laos border, and Americans had to step in to stop rapid commie take-over of Vietnam and exportation of communism to Malaysia and Indonesia. By 1967, even Johnson was calling quits (announcing not running in 1968 election), and Nixon was recruited to organize an honorable exit from Vietnam . . . because Indonesia (and Malaysia) had been secured during the 1954-1967 time span.

And apparently, he reigned from '67 to '97 with an iron fist w/o much opposition. Now, contrast that with Cambodia and Laos, where the Khmer Rouge and the Pathet Lao exacted a mass genocide on the population during the late 70s. Though everyone knows about the Cambodian 'Killing Fields', a lot of ppl don't know that the Pathet Lao did the same to some 300K Laotians.


We can't blame those typical communist atrocities on American intervention. The soviets and communist Chinese did the same thing to their own native populations (to the tune of 70+ million deaths!), and hardly any American invaded either Russia or China. The Communist ideology is essentially a mass killing ideology (because its core constituency is the over-"educated" yet un-marketable "intellectuals" (having been churned out by government-sponsored education institutions) that need to get rid others just like themselves in order to regain some pricing power).

Contrasting with the communist mass murders, the much smaller (by 3 orders of magnitude; i.e 1/1000) killings by dictators like Suharto and Pinochet were almost benign! If any killing of human beings can be called benign. If not for the delay-action in Vietnam, it was quite possible that both Malaysia and Indonesia would have been taken over by communists in the late 1950's to early 60's, and their populations at that time were far more numerous than that of Vietnam and Cambodia. Far more people would have been killed. And world rubber production would have been interrupted. Both the war effort and the anti-war effort may have been correct grand-strategies, possibly run by the same deep state, which back then had smarter people than what seem to be running the place now.

BTW, I don't think a policy/strategy aimed at land-reform combined with sealing off Vietnam from external intervention could have won the Vietnam War. The French Dien Bien Phu fortress itself was meant to stop infiltration across Laos-Vietnam border; it's right on that border; the result was the complete annihilation of the 16000 or so French troops deployed to the battle zone due to roads crossing hilly borders were always in the valleys, which were surrounded by wooded hills and high grounds, which could hide enormous amount of artilleries and anti-aircraft guns (controlled by the NV side). Nothing short of nuking China (and possible Russia/Soviet Union too, as East German advisors were fighting on the NV side along with Chinese advisors) could have "won" the war. Vietnam simply had too many young unemployed and unemployable "intellectuals" and even the anti-communist population was too divided between Catholics vs. Bhuddists; stopping the fools from finding out the perils of communism for themselves would simply be too costly. Millions of useless young "intellectuals" (and peasants riled up by them) with too high expectations had to die (because there was no market outlet for them under the "perfect world" system they believed); the only choice was between American bombs vs. communist killing fields (killing themselves through purges); the latter was simply cheaper (the Khmer Rouge used plastic bags for killing in order to save bullets) and wouldn't get American hands dirty.

Edit:

IMHO, the real pitfall from the Vietnam war was the shift from the draft (a citizen military) to a professional military that run the risk of being bought off by the highest bidder in the long run.
32   AmericanKulak   2021 Jun 15, 8:30pm  

Me 5 years ago:

"Ah, X is crazy, Y will never happen, Z is impossible. ABC will never happen. D won't happen here. E? In America? C'mon man!"

Me today: "Who the fuck knows, it's possible"
34   joshuatrio   2021 Jun 16, 9:53am  

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
Me 5 years ago:

"Ah, X is crazy, Y will never happen, Z is impossible. ABC will never happen. D won't happen here. E? In America? C'mon man!"

Me today: "Who the fuck knows, it's possible"


Lol. Same here. Even with my parents. My dad is more like "fuck it."
35   Ceffer   2021 Jun 16, 10:59am  

When they started trying to kill us with lab grown viruses, then toxic vaccines, it kind of got my attention.
36   Rin   2021 Jun 16, 11:08am  

Reality says
We can't blame those typical communist atrocities on American intervention


The Suharto thing was not to compare him with US intervention but to point out that he was no where near as horrible as the Khmer Rouge or Pathet Lao. Many of the Indonesians killed during the 'Year of Living Dangerously' were either insurrectionists or ppl caught in the crossfire which happens during any civil war.
37   Ceffer   2021 Jun 17, 1:37pm  

I think the question remains if Trump signed the Insurrection Act or not, which was not required to be made public. Seems like plenty of room to allow military deployment. The Insurrection Act does not expire until they say it does.
It does not strike me that there is no military option because it is written out that there is. Whether the action is ever taken or not is the other issue. I don't think it is possible to out of hand dismiss the possibility, and I don't think that military would telegraph their true intentions to the press.
38   Onvacation   2021 Jun 17, 3:57pm  

HunterTits says
STATES run the elections, not the Feds. And the military is the Feds.

Yep.
The only way toward real elections again is if America's audit in Arizona leads to decertification of their presidential electors followed by a cascade of state audits leading to the obviousness of fraud.

America's audit in Arizona may be the block removed causing the whole facade to come tumbling down.

Maybe.
39   Onvacation   2021 Jun 17, 4:02pm  

Ceffer says
It does not strike me that there is no military option

I would like to think the CIA DOJ FBI DOD AND most elected officials were not on the same team against us, but I'm a realist, cynical, but a realist.

Keep passing the hopium. I'll hit it.
40   Ceffer   2021 Jun 17, 4:04pm  

HunterTits says
A State can not be held to be in insurrection for exercising power granted to it by the Constution.

Pennsylvania and a couple of others already went against both Federal and State Constitutions by allowing judges and government officials to enact voting strategies without legislative approval, against their own rules. They have already acted outside of powers granted by the Constitution. The DNI report confirmed that there was foreign interference in the election. Courts can be a solution only if they are acting in a manner that is not corrupt, and the courts have already demonstrated they are part of the problem.

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