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@patrick
Looks like you are playing "dividers" game now.
Is It necessary? Bury the past.
There will be enough time to talk about statues when the "republic" is saved.

It's our national history that they are destroying.

Not negotiable.

Indians were more generally concerned about slaughtering their Indian rivals. Europeans brought them horses, woven cloth and guns, and they at first were less concerned about the Euros than in conquering their Indian rivals in the most barbaric manner possible.

It was like one of those 'spam in a can' horror movies where people are trapped by monsters all around, but use their time to turn on each other instead of cooperating.

Patrick says

It's our national history that they are destroying.

Not negotiable.

It will keep the padora box open.
Columbus was no different that George Bush invading Iraq for oil.
Globalism is comparable to "European influence" peddling using colonialism... Just masters are different and more diverse.

Ceffer says

Indians were more generally concerned about slaughtering their Indian rivals. Europeans brought them horses, woven cloth and guns, and they at first were less concerned about the Euros than in conquering their Indian rivals in the most barbaric manner possible.

It was like one of those 'span in a can' horror movies where people are trapped by monsters all around, but use their time to turn on each other instead of cooperating.

May be CCP can bring "high rises", "cheap products" etc. if we give up our sovereignty.
I am sorry but it is really bad example to support colonialism.

Ceffer says

Indians were more generally concerned about slaughtering their Indian rivals. Europeans brought them horses, woven cloth and guns, and they at first were less concerned about the Euros than in conquering their Indian rivals in the most barbaric manner possible.

Squanto's REASON for helping the Pilgrims was to enlist their cannons in his fight against fellow Algonquin tribes who were threatening his own with annihilation; his tribe had been depopulated by several waves of smallpox.

Not excusing colonialism, but American Indians were generally put down by technology, overwhelming populations, and diseases. They have discovered American Indian cultural artifacts from tribes that went completely extinct from diseases brought by Euros.

I think Patrick's point that sanctifying them isn't any more realistic than entirely demonizing the conquistadors, it was a mixed bag.

I'm sorry, where is the relation between Columbus and American Indians? I thought he was in the West Indies mostly. And he's Italian, not really a big part of American history.

Why not pick the Civil War, or even the Founding Fathers? It's not like they haven't had their share of attacks, and the character of those men far surpasses Columbus.

Apache were ruthless, other tribes hated them, but there were many largely peaceful tribes in the US. If there's one group who has a right to complain in the United States, it's the American Indian. The trail of tears, manifest destiny. The genocide by way of exterminating the Buffalo, forcing nomadic tribes to settle.

The author of that article seems to be randomly lashing out, just like a BLM supporter.

Ceffer says

Indians were more generally concerned about slaughtering their Indian rivals. Europeans brought them horses, woven cloth and guns, and they at first were less concerned about the Euros than in conquering their Indian rivals in the most barbaric manner possible.

It was like one of those 'spam in a can' horror movies where people are trapped by monsters all around, but use their time to turn on each other instead of cooperating.

Unfortunately this is true. They had tribalism, as does Somalia. You can’t expect much from a people whose government hasn’t advanced beyond chiefs and warriors. Somalia is a modern day mess, and the only reason someone hasn’t conquered it is because nobody fucking wants it!

NuttBoxer says

I'm sorry, where the relation between Columbus and American Indians? I thought he was in the West Indies mostly. And he's Italian, not really a big part of American history.

Exactly!

In reality, Columbus was the spearhead for the Spanish Empire of Central and South America, since his expedition was entirely financed by the Spanish crown. That's his legacy, basically, a type of Catholic Jihad into the New World.

Since no one's picking on Roanoke NC, Jamestown VA (aside from the "Pocahontas" movie), nor Plymouth MA, then for all intensive purposes, the USA is out of the picture in terms of Christopher Columbus. Up until the King Philippe race war in Massachusetts (1675-1678), much of the animosity between the native Americans and the Anglo-Dutch settlers were incidental and a one-on-one type of strife.

Sure, you can say that after the various New England militia, without the help of the British army, subdued King Phillipe's assaults, that a permanent rift had occurred between the natives and the Anglos. But guess what? That was 1678, not 1492.

So yes, starting from the late 17th century, the native tribes started losing out in North America, which only increased till the time of Kevin Costner's "Dances With Wolves", where in effect, the west was closed out and you had the 'Wounded Knee' massacre to cap it off in 1890.

Ceffer says

Not excusing colonialism, but American Indians were generally put down by technology, overwhelming populations, and diseases. They have discovered American Indian cultural artifacts from tribes that went completely extinct from diseases brought by Euros.

I think Patrick's point that sanctifying them isn't any more realistic than entirely demonizing the conquistadors, it was a mixed bag.

This the the whole purpose of Antifa types to stir the pot and make people hate each other by destroying statues.
Its best to be rational about things and accept history as mixed bag... and fight the "politics of hate" first... especially the elite cults want to enslave us.

I disagree with purging history and historical figures in the name of political correctness.

Columbus was an interesting guy, who was either conning the Spanish crown to get funds for his exploration or a bit of a kook. He claimed to have reached “India”, obviously he never did.
He went a little bit nuts and had a murderous reign.
Spain sent knights to check out the situation and they threw Columbus in chains and took him back to Spain.
Not all indigenous people in North America were bloodthirsty maniacs like the Aztecs; they conquered the Mexica who I believe were less warlike.
In upstate New York and Canada there was the “Iroquois Nation”, “Five Nation” (later “six nation) who called themselves “people of the longhouse.” Parts of our form of government is derived from them.
The Ohlone in California were probably pretty mellow. They did make the sea cow extinct ( like a manatee that ate kelp.)
In Baja there was inter tribal conflict, this evidently led to polygamy from a male shortage, Pericu were a tribe around La Paz.
The Spanish missionaries tried to guilt the Pericu into monogamy and they didn’t like the meddling.

farmer2021 says

@patrick
Looks like you are playing "dividers" game now.

Patrick, don't talk about America and Western cultures with this guy. Here's an immigrant seeking a better life for his family and all he does at every opportunity is try to Twist America's values against the spirit of its intent. To infer that invading opportunists that want to make America a bigger shithole than they fled should trump the Constitution and the intent of the words written therein.

Perhaps Qtip Boy here, has never been White shamed and called a White Supremacist and responsible for every bad historic event and the empire expansion of the Europeans and the tyranny they brought. And he would rather we not bring up the hypocrisy of these Globalist Commies trying to paint Columbus and every Western Historical figure immortalized in a bronze statue, as White Supremacists that must be erased.

America and our founding values don't mean a damn thing to this turkey, this is just a geographic location for him, and it means nothing. He doesn't take kindly of us discussing the problems we're facing with the Communist scumbags. He just calls it Red Vs Blue Politics.

He's as phony as Paper Raincoat.

Columbus didn't murder anybody. Many Indians tried to kill the Spaniards at first sight, as did many Central Africans and SE Asians. No talk, just fire blowguns or arrows.

Columbus' hidalgos he got stuck with by the witch Queen Isabella beat up the Indians in Hispanola (DR/Haiti) while Columbus was off mapping the Caribbean coast of South America. They were looking to shake the Indians down for gold that they could use to buy land in SPAIN, the only way landless knights could pass their noble titles down and marry other nobles. No nobleman would marry his daughter to a landless knight whose children would lose the status unless he got enough acreage.

In Spain and other European countries, New World land was either unqualified for or required a massive amount relative to European acreage, in order to preserve Noble Status. Or they would be enrolled in a lesser status "New World Who's Who" which was much less prestigious at court than a "Real" "European" title of Nobility.

IE 1000 acres in Spain = 10000 acres in the New World.

Hidalgos= "Son of a somebody"

Shaman says

Unfortunately this is true. They had tribalism, as does Somalia. You can’t expect much from a people whose government hasn’t advanced beyond chiefs and warriors. Somalia is a modern day mess, and the only reason someone hasn’t conquered it is because nobody fucking wants it!

I was reading about Columbian peoples before Columbus, just nasty. The Inca too. I forget who lived on the coast of Peru, but they were stone age sons of bitches who murdered teenagers in the most brutal way to make it rain or some shit.

The Aztecs were hated by the neighbors, particularly the Indians who lived around modern day Veracruz and Tlaxcala.

Most history books fail to note Cortez had tens of thousands of Indian Volunteers on his side, two entire Indian Nations including the Tlaxcalans. Certainly modern woke books 'forget' this detail.

Or, that Cortez's second in command back at Vera Cruz was tricked by a Triple Alliance Ambassador into sending some officers to accept an alliance, who of course were ambushed and killed by the Hippy, Kind Indians in a lying trick ambush. THAT is what made Cortez attack Montezuma instead of negotiate.

Until the 20th Century the Human Race was always a conquering subjugating species, mostly against other Cultures than themselves, but also against lower classes of their own Race and culture. From the dawn of hominids we evolved by either fucking or killing everything that didn't look quite like us. It's how we evolved from a long line of hominids. It's how all species evolved and survived. But after the French Revolution, the Holy Alliance started the concept of many Countries working together against the greater threat.
And the Threat even then, was the same threat we're faced with today. Far Left Disrupters, and Anarchists starving for power and mayhem. Europe formed an alliance to prevent, the kind of Revolt agitators from gaining traction in those countries. Just like we see what the BLM and ANTIFA has done, and how they did, with impunity.
From then until after WWII and the formation of NATO the UN and essentially an expansion of what the Holy Alliance started.
Humans were no longer allowed to invade and conquer, not without repercussions from other countries. The last 250 years, has made far Left leaning Politics obsolete.

So today, they try to drag us all the way back to the disruption of the French Revolution, and Bolshevism, it's where they draw their power from when things are too good.
I imagine Leftism brought down the Roman empire as well.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

I forget who lived on the coast of Peru, but they were stone age sons of bitches who murdered teenagers in the most brutal way to make it rain or some shit.

The Quechua.

Tenpoundbass says

From then until after WWII and the formation of NATO the UN and essentially an expansion of what the Holy Alliance started.

I call it the "universal Monarchy", they want a centralized government under one King/one Church (or one bureaucracy) where the peasants and burgers obey their masters.

It used to be the HRE, today it's the EU. And really, as you say, the UN - it's gotten ambitious beyond Europe for sure. They must crush Anglo-American dissenter (Protestant) culture, which has been their greatest foe. Guy Fawkes was probably their most famous agent, but misremembered as a hero when he really wanted to impose Absolute Theocratic rule on England via an Absolute Monarch.

Check out a guy named Walsingham, Elizabeth's Spymaster, for how deep the rabbit hole goes. They no longer teach about the Stuarts, Cromwell, and the Glorious Revolution, which is really the Key to the Whole Thing. The 1776 Revolution was really an aftershock from that, and the French Revolution was just a leftish variant of Universal Monarchy. And Marx was inspired by the French Revolution, his work is derivative of that, it's not unique.

They're also really good at deflection. If you want to know about a group that really IS meddling, and meddling today esp. with mass migration and leftist propaganda in Education, this group "also" starts with a "J" and has been banned in dozens of countries precisely for Meddling.

Tenpoundbass says

farmer2021 says

@patrick
Looks like you are playing "dividers" game now.

Patrick, don't talk about America and Western cultures with this guy. Here's an immigrant seeking a better life for his family and all he does at every opportunity is try to Twist America's values against the spirit of its intent. To infer that invading opportunists that want to make America a bigger shithole than they fled should trump the Constitution and the intent of the words written therein.

Perhaps Qtip Boy here, has never been White shamed and called a White Supremacist and responsible for every bad historic event and the empire expansion of the Europeans and the tyranny they brought. And he would rather we not bring up the hypocrisy of these Globalist Commies trying to paint Columbus and every Western Historical figure immortalized in a bronze statue, as White Supremacists that must be erased.

Am...

Yes why would you talk to someone who questions your anti-American fascist values.
May be you don't know America went to war against fascists and also "freedom of speech" in enshrined is constitution which you don't care.
We should suck up to "Reds" like you whether they sell us to highest bidder and if we question Red-Blue nexus then we are against the constitution and anti-American.
You have very poor understanding of America and your "slave mind" is set in a world ruled by benevolent dictator... and their is nothing American about it.
Trying to disqualify my objection because I am not white flies in face of your allegation " White shamed and called a White Supremacist"... Being not a crybaby, I won't call it "brown shaming".

Benevolent? --- Is he sending more free money????

Dude your schtick is taking what People fed up with Leftist Communist assholes and that are calling them out. Taking it, then twisting it around and injecting.
"Oh you're just being played by the Global Communist, don't fall for it, that's what they want you to do, you're playing Red Vs Blue Politics."

Which totally disqualifies you to even weigh in on this discussion of concerned Americans that has seen way too often how Communist take foot.
We've managed their feelings for going on over 12 years now. If you have something better to offer to the conversation then bring it, but don't pull that coy mealy mouth double tongue crap with me. I can smell it coming a mile away. America has gone this long without being taken over by Communist, because Joseph McCarthy saw fit to root them out in the 50's and 60's.

Misc says

Benevolent? --- Is he sending more free money????

You can ask him what the "Red Dictator" will offer on whose behest he like citizens silenced or thrown out of country if they raise concerns and ask for accountability.
We should just succumb to his "red-beats-blue" silly game if need to be in good books of American constitution.

farmer2021 says

You can ask him what the "Red Dictator" will offer on whose behest he like citizens silenced or thrown out of country if they raise concerns and ask for accountability.

BBBBBUUUZZZZZZZ!

You Lose!

Communist don't throw dissidents out of the country. They first try to reeducate them, if that doesn't work they have their kids take them to a river and tie plastic bags over their heads. Read a fucking History book for Crist Sakes!

Tenpoundbass says

Dude your schtick is taking what People fed up with Leftist Communist assholes and that are calling them out. Taking it, then twisting it around and injecting.
"Oh you're just being played by the Global Communist, don't fall for it, that's what they want you to do, you're playing Red Vs Blue Politics."

Which totally disqualifies you to even weigh in on this discussion of concerned Americans that has seen way too often how Communist take foot.
We've managed their feelings for going on over 12 years now. If you have something better to offer to the conversation then bring it, but don't pull that coy mealy mouth double tongue crap with me. I can smell it coming a mile away. America has gone this long without being taken over by Communist, because Joseph McCarthy saw fit to root them out in the 50's and 60's.

You know how silly this looks...
"Which totally disqualifies you to even weigh in on this discussion of concerned Americans that has seen way too often how Communist take foot."
Its like saying.. You have freedom of speech as long as you say "what I want".
Your thinking can fit in either fascist or communist box and opposite of American constitution. The lovely part about US constitution is you can't "disqualify me"... But You want it done, so your yearning for dictatorship.

By the way America fought both communism and fascism for a reason.

farmer2021 says

You have very poor understanding of America and your "slave mind" is set in a world ruled by benevolent dictator..

This Hindu fleeing refugee really thinks of us as "Slaves". Shut up and sit this fight out!

Tenpoundbass says

farmer2021 says

You have very poor understanding of America and your "slave mind" is set in a world ruled by benevolent dictator..

This Hindu fleeing refugee really thinks of us as "Slaves". Shut up and sit this fight out!

Sure you can't fight against modern state. Hindooo is too many(Billion) and they genocide tiny minority of Sikhs who fought hard and lost 1/2 million lives and eventually lost the battle.
Similar way Election was snatched from Trump with state power and people couldn't do much.
But why should anybody be ashamed of it?... Do You want Sikhs to go and commit suicide by fighting a losing battle?

farmer2021 says

Its like saying.. You have freedom of speech as long as you say "what I want".

So just say "I'm sorry I'm not following the conversation, I don't know all of these words you are using."

You have a warped sense of summarization, when it comes to what I have ever said.

Tenpoundbass says

farmer2021 says

Its like saying.. You have freedom of speech as long as you say "what I want".

So just say "I'm sorry I'm not following the conversation, I don't know all of these words you are using."

You have a warped sense of summarization, when it comes to what I have ever said.

It is your words not mine that having a "opinion" disqualifies me and make me candidate to be sent outside of country.
May be you can explain ...How that is not curb on my freedom of speech?

You have freedom of speech, that has never been my argument. You're more than free to say any rubbish you wish. I will call you out when you're trying to diminish what I say by mitigating it with word salad.
Now if you have a comment on you mincing up the reality of Americans that should be alarmed by a very blatant Global Communist Cabal, and the corruption of our Politicians helping facilitate their take over, and our recognizing it as a Communist threat. You Sir, then said I was playing Red Vs Blue politics. Do you have an honest comment on that, are you going to bring up your freedom of speech again, and call me and Americans slaves encapsulated in quotation marks.

Tenpoundbass says

You have freedom of speech, that has never been my argument. You're more than free to say any rubbish you wish. I will call you out when you're trying to diminish what I say by mitigating it with word salad.
Now if you have a comment on you mincing up the reality of Americans that should be alarmed by a very blatant Global Communist Cabal, and the corruption of our Politicians helping facilitate it, and our recognizing it as a Communist threat. You Sir, then said I was playing Red Vs Blue politics. Do you have an honest comment on that, are you going to bring up your freedom of speech again, and call me and Americans slaves encapsulated in quotation marks.

All I said that we need to fight the "cabal" you are talking about and this "statue" and other things can wait.
They just create unnecessary conflict which is ill served at this time.
.. You can go back and check your response..

You know that the NWO crown prince was Bush Sr, who was "Red".
I have strong objection to "Red" for their participation in it... How is that anti-American sentiment you make it to?

I see it as elite vs common man fight.. Which you see as red Vs blue fight.
.. Now the means to bring victory for common man may be through "red" as a strategy.. But i see reds filled with NWO guys.

Invoking Bush is a Strawman argument. Bush Sr. has about as much in relation to Trump and his supporters, as Julia Childs had anything to do with the Boston Celtic's winning streak.
Perhaps you don't now, but the GOP, NWO, and RINOs are on the outs. The Patriotic voters, that Trump gave a platform to. That platform is the Republican party, the party isn't evil, not intrinsically, it's the people who have been occupying the party for the last 30 years. We're now joining the party locally and voting out the party leadership. Now understand, Mitch McConnel or Mitt Romney or any high profile Republican candidate you hear about on TV, is NOT the Republican party. The Republican party is an organization, that has saw fit to make sure their voters didn't participate in the Party politics. That involves either volunteering to be the person who over sees that Republican votes are counted at your local voting precinct where you cast your votes every two to four years. Or running to be elected to that position, if it's a coveted position in a key town. The Republican party has about 80% of those positions open and vacant, and never bothered to recruit from their voter roles. It's the only Republican party position that is an elected position, every election your precinct committeeperson position is up for reelection. If not then it's non contested, just sign up for it.

Then you get to caucus, once a year, and chose your district leader, congressional committee leadership and your state leadership. Voters have zero say who these people are. But they do matter, Boy oh boy do they matter. They then are the ones that see fit to support the candidacy of all of the RINOs they see fit to get elected. They also have the power to keep people off the ballot as a Republican candidate. These group of Party members are not elected by the voting public but by a caucus of the local precinct committee members, which for the most part hasn't existed in the Republican party until now. The 2020 election steal was an eye opener.

Trump was never meant to run on either party ticket, the establishment would have saw fit to make damn sure he never ran as a Democrat or a Republican. He was always independent, that's why he's never ran for office. He considered running in 2012, more seriously than ever in his life. He was going to run in 1992, but Bill Clinton chummed up to him and talked him out of it. In 2012, there was a real threat, because of the Obama/Trump rift between them, and the vocal ridicule Obama and RINOs gave him over the Birther movement. Mitt Romney offered Trump a spot on the 2016 Republican ticket if he didn't run in 2012.
And THAT is how Trump got on the Republican ticket, and that is how over 10 million life long NPA(No Party Affiliated) registered voters, changed their affiliation to Republican. Because even then early on, there wasn't enough Republicans that would have voted for Trump in the primaries. If all of the NPA voters had not registered as a Republican just for Trump. Trump would have never made it past the primaries. And the RINOs and the Establishment tried like hell to stop him from being nominated regardless how the voters voted. It is why Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and Steve Bannon and other Trump alies were persecuted by the weaponized Commie Deep State. It was their tireless lawfare and legal constitutional wrangling that prevented the RINOS from usurping the Voters will at every Primary State election. All the way to the Convention, Mitt Romney and Bush Sr. were there trying to convince Preibus to reject Trumps nomination and put Mitt Romney or Ted Cruz instead.

Are you following so far? Any of this getting through to you?

This could have just as easily been the Democrat party if there was an opening opportunity that Trump got in 2016. None of us are life long Red Republicans defending G.W. Bush, and defending the RINOs because we have to stick together. Nothign could be further from the truth.

Now what we are doing as Civic minded citizens, is restoring Civics first to the Voter. And educating them that being a mere voter is pointless, if you're not to engage with the party you are registered to. And I would implore any and all Democrats to go pop their heads in on the local DNC committee executive meetings. It would be an eye opener, and would red pill them better than any Meme pulled off Gab could ever do.

Now you many ask, well why not just go start another party. For good or bad, (Mostly good if people participate!) We're a two party system, mostly due to the framework for distributed representation and execution of a parties viability in our election system is already set up for them. You can go start a MAGA party, but without the framework that has leadership and manpower all the way down to every City and community in America. Any third party would be a joke, they would not be viable to win National Elections.
The Republicans and or Democrats in thousand and thousands of polling stations would just rip those ballots up and shit can them. where the MAGA people aren't installed and part of the local politic machinery, So third parties are primarily used in this country to spoil the election for a popular favorite. And are usually an extension of one of the two parties trying to keep a populist that the Establishment doesn't want to win. That's why the Butt hurt RINOs and Liz Cheny now want to go form a 3rd party to compete with the MAGA patriots faction of the Republican party.
But for the first time in modern politics, the Swamp critters are trying to entice people as the "Sensible Third party alternative".
Usually they get people promising a bunch of free shit, to be the spoilers. Not the assholes that has spent 30 plus year careers, making damn sure nobody gets a damn thing but their donors.
That takes hubris and is quite comical if you think about it.

So you See this Red kick you're on, has nothing to do with what's going on today. Today the Red folks is the Communist Red Threat. The people you're wanting to call red, are the RINO Globalists, and they are on the outs.

Thanks for long response.
I get you:
Perhaps you don't now, but the GOP, NWO, and RINOs are on the outs. The Patriotic voters, that Trump gave a platform to. That platform is the Republican party, the party isn't evil, not intrinsically, it's the people who have been occupying the party for the last 30 years


I am a simple voter and have no skill/inclination for canvassing or other active political work(Not proud of it, But reality).. I can only comment on what I see and have no ability to change it.But What I can contribute is write and have written extensively for people to not have blind faith.
Currently I hate both red/blue for selling Americans to CCP, If reds behave better I am in.

Tenpoundbass says

Julia Childs had anything to do with the Boston Celtic's winning streak.

Well that kinda sucks, otherwise, Larry Bird may have put up a few more banners at the Garden.

Tenpoundbass says

The Republicans and or Democrats in thousand and thousands of polling stations would just rip those ballots up and shit can them. where the MAGA people aren't installed and part of the local politic machinery, So third parties are primarily used in this country to spoil the election for a popular favorite. And are usually an extension of one of the two parties trying to keep a populist that the Establishment doesn't want to win. That's why the Butt hurt RINOs and Liz Cheny now want to go form a 3rd party to compete with the MAGA patriots faction of the Republican party.

Exactly, like the PA Secretary of State going hardcore on the Green Party to get them off the ballot, but leaving the Libertarians alone.

A MAGA third party would instantly be met by a massive increase in the number of signatures and filing fees and other requirements just to get on the ballot. Something Dems/Reps get automatically.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Tenpoundbass says

The Republicans and or Democrats in thousand and thousands of polling stations would just rip those ballots up and shit can them. where the MAGA people aren't installed and part of the local politic machinery, So third parties are primarily used in this country to spoil the election for a popular favorite. And are usually an extension of one of the two parties trying to keep a populist that the Establishment doesn't want to win. That's why the Butt hurt RINOs and Liz Cheny now want to go form a 3rd party to compete with the MAGA patriots faction of the Republican party.

Exactly, like the PA Secretary of State going hardcore on the Green Party to get them off the ballot, but leaving the Libertarians alone.

A MAGA third party would instantly be met by a massive increase in the number of signatures and filing fees and other requirements just to get on the ballot. Something...

There is a Punjabi saying
"Walks few steps less , But walk with pride".

I will take fewer members of congress for red team, If they all are pro-people. I may also get off my butt and do some canvassing for them.
Even one honest member will make the life hell for corrupt proxies of elites.

I brought this up to few liberal people. They hear, but they want to block it out and justify it because it doesn’t fit narrative they built themselves on.

farmer2021 says

I am a simple voter and have no skill/inclination for canvassing or other active political work

Nobody really wants to do it, not even those self serving that have been doing it anyway. They have been doing it so they can get favorable legislation and industry related regulations that protects them from competition by creating a cost of doing business barrier that frustrates small players and start up contenders from competing in their field.

We have to start doing it, it's like Trump always said. He didn't want to have to run and get involved but he had to. And to be clear, the involvement I'm talking about here isn't canvasing or stumping for candidates. They shouldn't even be political activists. Out of al of the people in the two major political party hierarchy the positions I'm talking about has no compensation. For 98% of the precincts out there. There wouldn't even be any residual reward through networking. By that I mean, you're not going to parlay the experience by landing a job or a contract at a huge firm in your district. You're just the precinct captain of residential neighborhood, of your peers. Middleclass and lower middle class neighbors wouldn't have any high paying position to offer you after you've left the Committee. Like we see in most other pollical positions. The reward is purely Civic intent.
Yet this is the most important position in our two Political party system.

What would be ideal is for that Committee member to reach out to the constituency and talk to them about candidates and even the current elected officials. You are the main man for you local politics, and for positions beyond the scope of your neighborhood. You want good solid Civic minded people in surrounding precincts in your district, to discuss and nominate Citywide or even county wide candidates. By getting out and having discussions with registered party voters in your District precinct, you may find a retired Educator that knows the problems with the local school board, or a retired Military or someone from a large outfit that has managed large scale operations and logistics. People you could encourage to run for office. Where as now, those are likely people who have the publishers best interest at heart, and will see to it that their books are featured in their K-12 Curriculum.

There's a lot of dirty local politics that can be cleaned up. And local is where all of the Federal corruption begins. Damn sure where the election corruption that enables the Federal corruption originates.

The precinct committeeman is where the Candidates you see crappy candidates on the ballot and you ask yourself. "You mean you bastards, couldn't find anyone better to run?" comes from.

Tenpoundbass says

Until the 20th Century the Human Race was always a conquering subjugating species, mostly against other Cultures than themselves, but also against lower classes of their own Race and culture. From the dawn of hominids we evolved by either fucking or killing everything that didn't look quite like us. It's how we evolved from a long line of hominids. It's how all species evolved and survived. But after the French Revolution, the Holy Alliance started the concept of many Countries working together against the greater threat.
And the Threat even then, was the same threat we're faced with today. Far Left Disrupters, and Anarchists starving for power and mayhem. Europe formed an alliance to prevent, the kind of Revolt agitators from gaining traction in those countries. Just like we see what the BLM and ANTIFA has done, and how they did, with impunity.
From then until after WWII and the formation of NATO the UN and essentially an expansion of what the Holy Alliance started.
Humans...

Agreed. So what if Columbus was part of the conquistadores? The whole world was doing it, including the Indians. They may not have been into conquering other territories or continents, but slaughtering their own, like African warlords and their tribes. Without the technology and science mostly white people/conquistadores brought we would have never had human rights etc. It's all part of history and considering the adversities life had back then Columbus was certainly an adventurer and deserves to be recognized. You don't have to always moralize everything, history is history. To use a bit of hyberbole, many of you wouldn't be here if not for Genghis Khan.

Tenpoundbass says

Invoking Bush is a Strawman argument. Bush Sr. has about as much in relation to Trump and his supporters, as Julia Childs had anything to do with the Boston Celtic's winning streak.

Yep.

mell says

To use a bit of hyberbole, many of you wouldn't be here if not for Genghis Khan.

NONE of use would be here if it wasn't for Genghis Khan. We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Hitler, Mao, Stalin, the American Civil War, the Armenian genocide, Karl Marx, etc. etc.

Well, unless you were born before some of those people. That's how random life is. It's not hyperbole.

I don't think the Bronze age collapse was mysterious. I think the Egyptian, Hittites, Babylonians the Myceneans and Greeks were all huge empires that was built on Slave labor.
Slaves that no doubt were captured through conquest. The Sea peoples were the relatives and Cultural peers exacting revenge. All of these Civilizations were sacked and left in ruin. You would expect liberated Slaves, would not just be rescued and slip away in the night. They would want to make sure the massive structures they were made to create, was razed to the ground.

The Sea People were quite possibly Mankind's first multi national alliance against the Common enemies. Those enemies just happened to be great Bronze age Civilization capitals and Cities.