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WTF is happening in India?


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2021 Apr 29, 10:35am   2,232 views  86 comments

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They were doing pretty good and suddenly all hell breaks loose? It almost feels like CCP has unleashed a new, improved "strain" of CPP virus after observing the original one, designed to kill Europeans, doesn't work on Indian population all that well....

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1   Robert Sproul   2021 Apr 29, 10:39am  

This guy, whoever the hell he is, indicates that it is largely bullshit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg4aUqjH4N4&t=60s
We have to remember that almost 90% of Covid media coverage in this country was discovered to be deliberately skewed negative.
2   Eric Holder   2021 Apr 29, 10:55am  

Dudes at our Indian office are scared shitless.
3   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 11:15am  

India is a failed state with no infrastructure.
We just don't hear it as Elites have appropriated all resources... COVID exposed it for them too as too many elites got sick at same time.

CCP/CIA designer virus can't be negated either to reduce world population by 80% on directions from Bill Gates.
4   Patrick   2021 Apr 29, 11:34am  

Robert Sproul says
This guy, whoever the hell he is, indicates that it is largely bullshit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg4aUqjH4N4&t=60s
We have to remember that almost 90% of Covid media coverage in this country was discovered to be deliberately skewed negative.


Same video, but without spying or censorship:

https://odysee.com/@IvorCummins:f/short-video-on-india-situation-what-does:4

Ivor Cummins has a lot of great points in that video. Nothing unusual is happening in India, they are just finally seeing the wide spread of the virus after a year. The death rate there is no higher than it is in Western countries. Indians are no more likely to die than Westerners are.

The media is hyping this to the moon, and just lying and using old pictures as the media usually does:

5   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 11:52am  

@patrick
This strain is dangerous and very infectious.
10+ people under 50 with no known underlying(India have no healthcare system, so they may still have conditions) died which i know of.

Some close family members taking all precautions and still got infected.
It is deadly and likely similar to what we saw in NY city.
"Let us not deny reality like the lefties to create narratives.
"

Most of deaths are due to poor infrastructure, where they couldn't provide oxygen assistance as virus was owning lungs.
6   Reality   2021 Apr 29, 11:53am  

The US has a population of about 350 million, and before Covid-19 the US had a daily normal death count of about 7000-8000. India has a population of 1.38 billion (close to 1400 million, about 4x US population, and shorter life expectancy than that of the US), so the normal daily death count in India (in the absence of Covid-19) should be well over 30,000 every day! 3000 deaths a day allegedly from Covid-19 (shouldn't it be Covid-20 by now if not Covid-21? as virus evolves constantly) is likely the result of silly reclassification of some normal deaths. It's not clear India is having even a 10% increase in total daily deaths, hardly a "pandemic" worthy of panic. The media scam is likely a Chinese Communist operation trying to neuter Indians through vaccines.
7   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 11:56am  

Reality says
The US has a population of about 350 million, and before Covid-19 the US had a daily normal death count of about 7000-8000. India has a population of 1.38 billion (close to 1400 million, about 4x US population, and shorter life expectancy than that of the US), so the normal daily death count in India (in the absence of Covid-19) should be well over 30,000 every day! 3000 deaths a day allegedly from Covid-19 (shouldn't it be Covid-20 by now if not Covid-21? as virus evolves constantly) is likely the result of silly reclassification of some normal deaths. It's not clear India is having even a 10% increase in total daily deaths, hardly a "pandemic" worthy of panic. The media scam is likely a Chinese Communist operation trying to neuter Indians through vaccines.


You are right. Lot of deaths are pulled ahead.
But This strain is dangerous... May be CCP wanted to inflict maximum damage by this variant.
I am talking based on whats happening on ground.
8   WookieMan   2021 Apr 29, 11:56am  

Patrick says
The media is hyping this to the moon, and just lying and using old pictures as the media usually does

This. I noticed it early on here in Chicago during the start of this. EVERY local affiliate was using the same graphic for a virus. CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX and WGN. All of them. Same graphic. Why? It was a stock graphic. There are 1,000's of stock virus graphics. Why are the big 5 in Chicagoland using the exact same graphic?

My SIL was the weather girl for a small affiliate in the states at one point. Having a double major in meteorology and broadcasting, she said the lead anchors she worked with were dumb or brainwashed. She co-hosted the morning show. I got to meet her co-host when we visited with the kids (fuck 5am on vacation).

Lead anchor could read, that was her skill. She was attractive, but not hot. She got a fucking Emmy for TV broadcasting. Bitch couldn't find her way out of bed. I'm not unconvinced that people reading the news of the day aren't brainwashed or paid more to perpetuate propaganda. News orgs find the dumbest and mostly attractive people. They're simply not looking for intelligence.

Who in their right might would believe Cuomo spent 2 weeks in his basement regardless of it being nice or not? The computer I'm on is in the basement and I can barely do it for 1-2 hours without going upstairs or outside. I have a nice basement and nice setup too. Cuomo was lying out his ass, but CNN still aired what was clearly an obvious lie as we found out after saying he had gotten covid. It's all bullshit. Male/Female, they read a prompter and then try to get laid or money from men.

Anchor Man the movie wasn't a joke. It's reality. Why does anyone think it was made.
9   Patrick   2021 Apr 29, 12:10pm  

farmer2021 says
This strain is dangerous and very infectious.
10+ people under 50 with no known underlying(India have no healthcare system, so they may still have conditions) died which i know of.


10 people or even 20 in India is not even a statistical blip. In fact, if it's that close to zero, it's very good news, an even lower death rate in that age range than in the US.
10   Blue   2021 Apr 29, 12:11pm  

Most of the Indian media is far left and corrupt all the time. Some time I watch national-hub a right angle channel. Yesterday, the host comparing current death rates which are far lower than us, uk France, Russiap and Brazil.
11   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 12:30pm  

Patrick says
farmer2021 says
This strain is dangerous and very infectious.
10+ people under 50 with no known underlying(India have no healthcare system, so they may still have conditions) died which i know of.


10 people or even 20 in India is not even a statistical blip. In fact, if it's that close to zero, it's very good news, an even lower death rate in that age range than in the US.


This is in very small circle.
The strain is very infectious and spreading fast(ground report) and even killing young.
If I extrapolate based on some reports probably 50-100k people are dying every day in India.
The medical infrastructure which only take care of 10% elite has completely collapsed. 90% always have little to no access.

The issue is that this virus attacks fast on lungs and you need oxygen support. As the oxygen is not available, so life can't be saved.
Scenes from hospitals are everywhere as confirmed by many of family/friends of my parents.
https://twitter.com/srivatsayb/status/1387694496561844232
12   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 12:33pm  

Blue says
Most of the Indian media is far left and corrupt all the time. Some time I watch national-hub a right angle channel. Yesterday, the host comparing current death rates which are far lower than us, uk France, Russiap and Brazil.


Most of Bharat media always support people in power.
Left/Right doesn't matter. It is a country which runs on bribes and threats.

The best reporter in Bharat is the unbiased friend/family on ground.
If you know .. check with Him/her.

My report is "grim" and large scale deaths.10+ people in small circle who were under 50.
Some old guys too.
13   joshuatrio   2021 Apr 29, 12:40pm  

Meh, I don't believe this shit.

Media already desensitized me last year with the fake videos of people in China and Italy collapsing and stuff.

Just another avenue to exploit now that the covid narrative is dying, the number of people chooing to get vaxxed has peak and in rapid decline

I think I read only 25% of the US population got the vax, but they were expecting 60-70% of the pop.

No one gives a shit anymore.

I think it's a last ditch effort to try and get people to vax.



What could be happening are vax side effects though - which wouldn't surprise me.

I found the image here: https://patriots.win/p/12iNLTaX7l/india-vax-jab-correlation-is-not/c/
14   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 12:46pm  

@joshuatrio
I can't deny what you wrote, there is just too much evil in world... so what caused this.. designer virus or vaxx.
.. But I do know situation is dire in india and "ground" reports are very reliable.

Evil is not just contained to top elites::
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-28/india-covid-surge-sees-oxygen-medicine-sold-on-black-market/100099904

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/india-covid-black-market-cases-b1838476.html
Profits of doom: How India’s black market has thrived on misery during its second wave of Covid
While some paid exorbitant amounts to arrange oxygen and medicines, others fell victim to scams
15   rocketjoe79   2021 Apr 29, 2:43pm  

I would say look for a financial incentive. Maybe a new law pays free government money when reporting cases and deaths as COVID related.
16   EBGuy   2021 Apr 29, 2:59pm  

My biggest concern is that India, especially in the denser urban areas, appeared to achieve herd immunity (60%+ seroprevalence) a month or two ago via natural infections. If people are getting reinfected, then I'll be really worried. I've also read reports that vaccinated doctors are getting infected as well.
17   RC2006   2021 Apr 29, 3:14pm  

They want to get rid of a bunch of Indians.
18   indc   2021 Apr 29, 3:15pm  

EBGuy says
My biggest concern is that India, especially in the denser urban areas, appeared to achieve herd immunity (60%+ seroprevalence) a month or two ago via natural infections. If people are getting reinfected, then I'll be really worried. I've also read reports that vaccinated doctors are getting infected as well.


Vaccinated people I know are safe even if they got covid. That is the plus with vaccine. I think it matches with what I learnt about these vaccines. This variant is very virulent. If it reaches american shore I will feel sorry for all people who are not vaccinated. it is good thing US is stopping flights to india. This variant is not deadly though. Proper treatment should solve the problem. I dont think we need to go through any lockdown again.

This is a double mutated variant so it is affecting even small kids.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/04/28/hawaii-covid-tourist-death-child/

I would really like to know what variant he had.
19   EBGuy   2021 Apr 29, 3:26pm  

indc says

I would really like to know what variant he had.

This still pisses me off, though, as the article points out: the child, who had underlying health conditions, was taken to a hospital and later died.

@indc Thanks for the India report. I appreciate the on the ground reporting from folks with family and friends who are in the thick of it. Good to hear the vaccines are providing some protection.
20   mell   2021 Apr 29, 3:26pm  

indc says
EBGuy says
My biggest concern is that India, especially in the denser urban areas, appeared to achieve herd immunity (60%+ seroprevalence) a month or two ago via natural infections. If people are getting reinfected, then I'll be really worried. I've also read reports that vaccinated doctors are getting infected as well.


Vaccinated people I know are safe even if they got covid. That is the plus with vaccine. I think it matches with what I learnt about these vaccines. This variant is very virulent. If it reaches american shore I will feel sorry for all people who are not vaccinated. it is good thing US is stopping flights to india. This variant is not deadly though. Proper treatment should solve the problem. I dont think we need to go through any lockdown again.

This is a double mutated variant so it is affecting even small kids.



That boy had underling health conditions, with those underlying conditions unfortunately any infection incl. the common cold can do you in, but the lamestream media only reports on covid to stoke fear. With regards to India either the lamestream media is flat out lying or vaccinations don't work or a combination of both, otherwise the graph above cannot be explained. It's probably a combo of both. When getting exposed naturally the immune system knows how to deal with variants (T/B cell memory plus antibodies), with vaccination (purely antibody mediated) it's a gamble.
21   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 3:38pm  

mell says
indc says
EBGuy says
My biggest concern is that India, especially in the denser urban areas, appeared to achieve herd immunity (60%+ seroprevalence) a month or two ago via natural infections. If people are getting reinfected, then I'll be really worried. I've also read reports that vaccinated doctors are getting infected as well.


Vaccinated people I know are safe even if they got covid. That is the plus with vaccine. I think it matches with what I learnt about these vaccines. This variant is very virulent. If it reaches american shore I will feel sorry for all people who are not vaccinated. it is good thing US is stopping flights to india. This variant is not deadly though. Proper treatment should solve the problem. I dont think we need to go through any lockdown again.

This is a double mutated variant so it is affect...


Propaganda can work both ways.
We all know that medical establishment and media sold out and they will do a propaganda to satisfy their masters.

Do You know any family/friends with Indian contacts?
If yes, Do their survey and make your opionon.

I did for US last year and came to conclusion, Nothing to worry about.
I did for India and would be shit scared if there.
22   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 3:42pm  

Easy questions to ask:
1) How many people you can confirm died of COVID.
2) What were their age and if underlying condition.
3) How many are in hospital.

This will clarify your doubts. My survey has 10+ dead under 50 and many of them with no known condition.
Don't be part of propaganda either way.
23   mell   2021 Apr 29, 3:46pm  

I have a few friends but will check in with one or two to see how their relatives in India are doing. What I'm saying is that the vaccinations are not the holy grail, sure if they can do mass vaccinations at large scale let those who want to get it take it, but it's likely more effective and much cheaper and faster to distribute Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and steroids to each household, which they should have done in the US as well. Doing nothing until somebody needs to go to the ER is close to murder, but that's not just in India, the US and any other countries did the same thing, in fact I believe India started using these treatments sooner than the US. They probably discarded them now in favor of the vaccines which they should not do. First distribute treatments for each household and MD office/hospital, then do the vaccinations when they're deemed safe. But not enough profit there, since the medications could just work "too well". They did the same reporting on Italy, Spain etc. Yes it was initially a bad situation, but nothing like mass graves and cremations and desolate hospitals, they were overcrowded like during a bad flu season, and countries like Germany helped out taking patients in. Nobody is saying it's not a real illness, but I would say cleaning up all the environmental pollution would save many more lives in the long term.
24   EBGuy   2021 Apr 29, 3:51pm  

mell says
When getting exposed naturally the immune system knows how to deal with variants (T/B cell memory plus antibodies), with vaccination (purely antibody mediated) it's a gamble.



I agree there is, likely, some advantage to natural exposure as the whole corona virus is involved. But the vaccinated should have T/B cell memory as well (just for the spike protein, though, not the entire virus). Or am I missing something?
25   mell   2021 Apr 29, 3:54pm  

Cases total | Death per 1MM population
1 USA 33,038,439 1,771
2 India 18,754,925 150

This looks like India is doing better than the US and that site is mostly free from propaganda, it just takes the numbers each country reports. Cases and deaths in India are likely underreported though due to poor infrastructure in certain parts.
26   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 3:59pm  

mell says
I have a few friends but will check in with one or two to see how their relatives in India are doing. What I'm saying is that the vaccinations are not the holy grail, sure if they can do mass vaccinations at large scale let those who want to get it take it, but it's likely more effective and much cheaper and faster to distribute Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and steroids to each household, which they should have done in the US as well. Doing nothing until somebody needs to go to the ER is close to murder, but that's not just in India, the US and any other countries did the same thing, in fact I believe India started using these treatments sooner than the US. They probably discarded them now in favor of the vaccines which they should not do. First distribute treatments for each household and MD office/hospital, then do the vaccinations when they're deemed safe. But not enough profit there, since the medications could just work "too well". They did the same reporting on Italy, Spain etc. Ye...


India has no infrastructure. People can only be saved if something simple can be done.
All I know is that people are dying in large numbers.
27   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 4:04pm  

mell says
Cases total | Death per 1MM population
1 USA 33,038,439 1,771
2 India 18,754,925 150

This looks like India is doing better than the US and that site is mostly free from propaganda, it just takes the numbers each country reports. Cases and deaths in India are likely underreported though due to poor infrastructure in certain parts.


This is propaganda to hide lack of infrastructure in India by under counting deaths.
It is not just this government, India is pathetically corrupt nation with Hindooo elites running the show, who give a damn to regular Bhartis.
28   mell   2021 Apr 29, 4:05pm  

EBGuy says
mell says
When getting exposed naturally the immune system knows how to deal with variants (T/B cell memory plus antibodies), with vaccination (purely antibody mediated) it's a gamble.



I agree there is, likely, some advantage to natural exposure as the whole corona virus is involved. But the vaccinated should have T/B cell memory as well (just for the spike protein, though, not the entire virus). Or am I missing something?


That's true. But non-spike protein specific B and T cells can recognize many more viral proteins etc.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00436-4
29   Patrick   2021 Apr 29, 4:36pm  



I don't see even the slightest change in the death rate per case in that graph lately.

OK, more people got it in India, and that will happen from time to time, but I don't see any evidence that it's more dangerous than it used to be.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/#deaths-cured-outcome
30   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 4:49pm  

Patrick says


I don't see even the slightest change in the death rate per case in that graph lately.

OK, more people got it in India, and that will happen from time to time, but I don't see any evidence that it's more dangerous than it used to be.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/#deaths-cured-outcome


You are looking at wrong statistics due to suppression.
https://scroll.in/article/993324/by-hiding-the-real-number-of-covid-19-cases-and-deaths-some-indian-states-are-disempowering-people
By hiding the real number of Covid-19 cases and deaths, some Indian states are disempowering people

The proof will be in pudding. Just wait few days.. Indian politicians will be dragged dead in streets like Gaddafi... The anger is just starting to boil.
31   EBGuy   2021 Apr 29, 4:53pm  

mell says
This looks like India is doing better than the US and that site is mostly free from propaganda, it just takes the numbers each country reports

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese
And then...

32   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 5:07pm  

@patrick
Here is some proof for you to extrapolate. This is happening everywhere.
People dying in villages will never be counted COVID as no tests available and people afraid to go out..as even if positive no oxygen or medical facility available.. Whats the point?
https://www.news18.com/news/india/five-or-137-crematorium-graveyard-data-reveal-a-different-tale-of-covid-19-deaths-in-bhopal-3667898.html

Now this is typical case and you can extrapolate.. Experts lower multiplication factor is 10x.
Five or 137? Crematorium, Graveyard Data Reveal a Different Tale of Covid-19 Deaths in Bhopal
This report has 28x.
33   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 5:12pm  

The govt may hide but the kin of dead people are preparing the lists of politicians they will drag in streets and were lying to them and stealing money from what is allocated for their health services.
It is great time to clean up dirty Hindoooo politics from Bharat.

https://qz.com/india/2002516/coronavirus-infections-and-deaths-mount-in-rural-india/
Singh looked like a “suspected Covid case”, but the doctor said he had no way to be sure. The centre has inexplicably stopped testing for a month.
....
34   porkchopXpress   2021 Apr 29, 5:42pm  

They had better curry and get vaccinated
35   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 6:25pm  

@patrick
This is informative thread and matches the experience of family friends.
Mind it , This is so called silicon valley or rather IT sweat shop of western elites. Things are dire in other places.
https://twitter.com/athishravikanth/status/1387934663772020738
36   mell   2021 Apr 29, 6:32pm  

farmer2021 says
@patrick
This is informative thread and matches the experience of family friends.
Mind it , This is so called silicon valley or rather IT sweat shop of western elites. Things are dire in other places.
https://twitter.com/athishravikanth/status/1387934663772020738


The reason more people are dying can be directly correlated with the vaccination which by far isn't a panacea.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205
Please take some time to read that, even in the US the death rate for those vaccinated catching covid is higher than for the unvaxxed. Btw. this was a well known problem, but they pushed for mass vaccinations anyways, because profit.
37   mell   2021 Apr 29, 6:37pm  

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Pay attention to this paper folks and note its publication date, January 2021. Nobody has paid any attention to it at all yet it is peer-reviewed in Nature, one of the "better" medical publications. I will start right here with what you do not want to read, but you damn well should before you take the shots.

This T cell-mediated immune response is even more important as studies on humoral immunity to SARS-CoV-1 provided evidence that antibody responses are short-lived and can even cause or aggravate virus-associated lung pathology

Note that when you get the shot the first thing you get is antibodies; you may get a T-cell reaction. This pre-existing knowledge, from SARS (CoV-1) entirely explains why people who just got vaccinated often get hammered by the virus and frequently end up in the hospital or die. It marks the premise of attempting to vaccinate out of a pandemic where transmission is actively occurring as stupid.

You go get the shot. Five days later you get the virus. You have not yet developed immunity and the partial expression makes it worse.

You would have been better off, by far, taking the same infection straight up front. It likely would have harmed you less.

This generally applies, by the way, to all vaccines and all viruses. The government and researchers know this. They've known this for decades. It's fact. It's why you don't wait until the measles is raging around you to get a measles vaccine and the same is true for the flu shot; you get it before the flu season starts for this very reason. Attempting to vaccinate out of a raging infection does not work and in fact kills people.

"
38   Blue   2021 Apr 29, 6:39pm  

Its the vaccine companies final push. Clueless doctors are making the situation worse by prescribing antibiotics etc to weaken immune system further if anyone happens to see them.
39   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 6:39pm  

mell says
farmer2021 says
@patrick
This is informative thread and matches the experience of family friends.
Mind it , This is so called silicon valley or rather IT sweat shop of western elites. Things are dire in other places.
https://twitter.com/athishravikanth/status/1387934663772020738


The reason more people are dying can be directly correlated direct with the vaccination which by far isn't a panacea.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205
Please take some time to read that, even in the US the death rate for those vaccinated catching covid is higher than for the unvaxxed. Btw. this was a well known problem, but they pushed for mass vaccinations anyways, because profit.


I really don't have any trust on anyone or the real cause.
There is not whole lot we can do to resist vaccination unless the medical experts basically speak up and be ready to give life for cause like Galileo.

I have definate proof that significant number of people are dying.
It may reach 100k a day soon..probably already in 30-40k range if not more.
40   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 29, 6:58pm  

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1387277899200356353
Crematoriums expand and operate round the clock as India faces thousands of daily Covid deaths

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