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US in 2020 records highest percent increase in deaths

By ThreeBays follow ThreeBays   2021 Apr 23, 9:02am 567 views   68 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


‘Excess Deaths’ in 2020 Surpassed Those of 1918 Flu Pandemic
source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

COVID-19 was the 3rd leading recorded cause of death after Heart Disease and Cancer. There was no apparent decrease in other leading causes of death, crushing the theory that COVID-19 deaths were exaggerated by being counted in place of other causes.


source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

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29   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 25, 7:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Onvacation says
Brain fog is a common side effect of the jab.


I don't think Mell had the jab.

Because Mell is smart and informed.
30   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 25, 9:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Vaccines and masks increase people's confidence to go back to normal. Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are barking up the wrong tree.

There's ZERO data showing masking has done anything. In fact once mask mandates were a thing, cases started rising. As I notice less people wearing them, cases start dropping. It's not "fact" but anecdotal info matters. Touching your mask 5 times a minute is way more than being maskless. AND the masks 90% of people wear can't stop a virus. A viral load can stick to it and make the situation worse.

What's going to happen is we'll see another massive wave. Because those that got vaccinated are going to be lacking on things like hand washing. You can still spread Covid or even other strains of flu if you're vaccinated. It's a virus. Just because your body is able to handle it naturally or via a vax, doesn't mean you still can't spread it. The cat is out of the god damn bag. This is basic, basic science. ER's were NEVER overrun with covid patients. Every news source replayed the same clip over and over of a busy ICU. Gee golly, never has that happened in the history of mankind. So we'll use the only clip we have.

The manipulation is obvious. Myself and others have been pointing it out for the last year on this site. The raw data is out there. If people were truly concern about keeping people alive, go look at data for heart disease. Many conditions that kill MOST people are controllable. You can't control a virus.
31   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 25, 9:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
In fact once mask mandates were a thing, cases started rising. As I notice less people wearing them, cases start dropping. It's not "fact" but anecdotal info matters.


When the weather gets hot, your A/C goes on, when it gets cold your A/C goes off. Does that mean A/Cs make the weather hot?

Anecdotal info matters, and so does critical thinking. That's been missing often from you. Not trying to personally attack you but what's your education level?
32   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 25, 9:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
When the weather gets hot, your A/C goes on, when it gets cold your A/C goes off. Does that mean A/Cs make the weather hot?

Anecdotal info matters, and so dues critical thinking about cause & effect.

Dude, I'm not sure your point. You don't NEED A/C either way. You're kind of proving my point. My neighbors down the street don't use A/C during hot humid IL summers. They're still alive.

You need to be healthy. Eat well. This virus is a monster nothing burger if you do that. You don't need vaccination. You don't need a mask. This is all fact and science.
33   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 25, 9:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Dude, I'm not sure your point.


Yeah, I get it. Again not trying to personally attack you but what's your education level?
34   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 25, 9:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
WookieMan says
In fact once mask mandates were a thing, cases started rising. As I notice less people wearing them, cases start dropping. It's not "fact" but anecdotal info matters.


When the weather gets hot, your A/C goes on, when it gets cold your A/C goes off. Does that mean A/Cs make the weather hot?

Anecdotal info matters, and so does critical thinking. That's been missing often from you. Not trying to personally attack you but what's your education level?


The burden is on you to prove that masks do anything but the obvious harm and you haven't done so, neither has anyone else. And you can't and since they do nothing for airborne viruses. So why are you still discussing this point. Wear one of it makes you feel better or if you want to avoid droplet based infections (which is NOT covid) just in case someone sneezes on you. But this is just beating not only a dead but an insanely wrong horse at this point.
35   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 25, 9:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
WookieMan says
Dude, I'm not sure your point.


Yeah, I get it. Again not trying to personally attack you but what's your education level?

Why would that matter? FYI you can attack me if you want, I don't care. I have a college degree. For my age, I'm a 1%'r financially. Degrees don't make one smart either. Money doesn't make one smart.

Anecdotal evidence matters if you're out and about enough. Not going to rehash past comments too much, but according to the narrative I should have gotten severely ill or died by now. So should my 3 kids now. 16 one way flights. Airports. Going out to eat 2x weekly. Not wearing masks. When a National Guard soldier at a point of entry in a US territory doesn't ask for your "mandated" covid test and says it's not a big deal, I don't know, that means something.

There are a lot of things I've experienced that this is bull shit. The biggest being that the 30+ people I know that have gotten covid are all alive and didn't even notice it. One guy went to the doctor. Not ER or ICU. He napped for a week, couldn't smell, and had a slightly more difficult time breathing (#HeWasFat)..
36   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 25, 10:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
What's going to happen is we'll see another massive wave. Because those that got vaccinated are going to be lacking on things like hand washing.

Nobody is getting vaccinated. They are taking an experimental biologic agent that does not confer immunity.
37   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 25, 10:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
critical thinking. That's been missing often from you.

Not trying to be personal, but you may be projecting.

I have three degrees and multiple technical certifications. But you don't need an education to smell bullshit.
38   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 25, 10:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Not going to rehash past comments too much, but according to the narrative I should have gotten severely ill or died by now.


Do you know you didn't have it already? Have you considered an antibody test?

Arizona has tracked antibody prevalence for a year. One of the hardest hit states; #6 in terms of deaths per capita. 55% have antibodies now. The data implies about 4 out of 5 people that have covid antibodies never knew / were never tested.

https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php#lab-testing
39   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 25, 10:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
The data implies about 4 out of 5 people that have covid antibodies never knew / were never tested.

Amazing! For such a lethal disease.

So 80% of people who get the Wuhan don't even know?
40   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 25, 11:06am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
ThreeBays says
The data implies about 4 out of 5 people that have covid antibodies never knew / were never tested.

Amazing! For such a lethal disease.

So 80% of people who get the Wuhan don't even know?


80% asymptomatic figure has come up many times before, in Wuhan, cruise-ship outbreaks, UK study, etc. Some estimates have been lower. The Arizona data seems to confirm the figure.
41   Karloff   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 25, 11:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Vaccines and masks increase people's confidence to go back to normal

Placebos have shown to be effective at treatment when the underlying cause was psychological.

Sort of a "perception is reality" situation.
42   stfu   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 25, 3:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The data is troubling. I've long been on the side that there is no pandemic because the total mortality data for 2020 didn't support it. This post had me rechecking the data and sure enough there was a huge spike in mortality (from all causes) in the last 9 weeks of 2020 that continued into the first 3-4 weeks of 2021. The spike in deaths at the end of the year is unusual, as every year from 2013 through 2020 had the spike occurring later in the spring. This is all based on CDC data through week 12 of 2021.

in 2018, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 3.13% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2019, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 5.97% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2020, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 15.07% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks

The total deaths for 2020 should have been slightly below 3 million, not 3.4 million. After the spring spike we were under trend and on track to come in at 3 million but something happened in the last 9 weeks - really accelerating in the last 5 weeks.

I have no faith in the how the CDC classifies the deaths because I believe they are supporting a narrative but I can't deny that there was an spike in overall deaths in late 2020/ early 2021 which is out of the ordinary. I will revisit in the fall to see if this was just an early spike (and if the spike is happening sooner every year) or if it predicted an unusually deadly 2021.
43   RC2006   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 25, 4:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Will there be less deaths in the next few years because deaths were pulled foward in 2020?
44   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 25, 5:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

RC2006 says
Will there be less deaths in the next few years because deaths were pulled foward in 2020?


Yes, I expect exactly that.

A lot of elderly were bumped off the ledge by this, but it doesn't take much to do them in.
45   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 25, 5:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I expect there to be more deaths per year next year and the following ten afterwards. Boomers are aging and dying. It’s inevitable. My boomer parents are getting up there. Have to make the most of the time they have left.
Covid was a bump in the mortality but it was already headed up as @threebays graph clearly shows. Covid probably advanced the deaths of several hundred thousand and another fifty or so who could have lasted another ten to twenty at their current levels of poor health.

The deaths from Covid are, however, insignificant in the long run. What is significant is the horrifyingly inappropriate Covid RESPONSE that many lefty run governments inflicted on the public. That will cause years and maybe even decades of problems, exacerbating poverty, crime, education drop-outs, and worsening the average situation for minorities across the USA significantly.

Just remember: when it came time to protect the rich old white people, they happily tossed PoC communities under the bus, laying off or firing almost all entertainment workers and service workers, a category that is MOSTLY filled by PoC. Then they lied these people into fear of Covid and loathing of their fellow citizens, and urged them to riot and loot to get their aggressions out.

It really was one of the most heinous and cynical policy decisions of all fucking time.
Only a bunch of sociopaths could have come up with it.
47   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 25, 6:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says


https://nitter.dark.fail/ScottAdamsSays/status/1386291162709901315#m


Reversion to the mean would show a mirror drop in year-over-year. This tweet was pretty dumb.
48   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 25, 8:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

stfu says
there was a huge spike in mortality (from all causes) in the last 9 weeks of 2020 that continued into the first 3-4 weeks of 2021.

The hopeless time of year.

To live takes will.

For some, you can crush their body like it went into a press die and they will still live. Others catch a cold and it's the end. I've seen friends and family suffer near the end. It's never over until they give up the ghost.

A year of fascism with no end in site is kind of depressing. I suspect many of the extra deaths were caused by the despair of living in the twilight zone, Alone.


That and the oldest baby boomers are kicking the bucket.
49   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 25, 8:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
So 80% of people who get the Wuhan don't even know?

A gigantic study out of Wuhan indicates that asymptomatic spread is not significant:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
So they don't know it and it doesn't fucking matter.
50   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 25, 8:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Meanwhile, in China:

In China, from 3 January 2020 to 6:00pm CEST, 25 April 2021, there have been 103,464 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 4,856 deaths, reported to WHO. As of 17 April 2021, a total of 188,090,000 vaccine doses have been administered.

Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.

It's !!!!Science!!!! though. The WHO wouldn't just repeat a baldfaced lie.

51   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 25, 8:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.

It's !!!!Science!!!! though. The WHO wouldn't just repeat a baldfaced lie.


True. There's just no possible way that both China and the US is telling the truth.
52   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 25, 9:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This dang China Death Flu has interrupted our steady, century long, decline in death rate per 100k and, very temporarily, knocked us all the way back to 2006 or so.
53   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 25, 9:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Here is deaths per million going back to 1900. In the Terrifying Year of Covid we were much, much, less at risk of death than say, 1968, when we stupidly partied right on though the Hong Kong Flu.

What a nation of dripping sissies. My pal sent me pictures of the hiking trails in West Marin, couples and solo hikers all masked up out on an un-crowded trail, a year into this charade.
54   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 25, 9:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Robert Sproul says
This dang China Death Flu has interrupted our steady, century long, decline in death rate per 100k and, very temporarily, knocked us all the way back to 2006 or so.


These comparisons are great.

And those who pat themselves on the back for being the reality based community are the most Chicken Little of all in regards to the recent comparisons.
55   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 25, 10:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Robert those are fantastic graphs!

Where did you get them?
56   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 26, 4:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Do you know you didn't have it already? Have you considered an antibody test?

I don't care. What difference does it make if I've had or am going to have it? There's almost no chance I'll die from it given my age and health. I'll take a case of covid 10 out of 10 times over fracturing my heel like I did last fall. Being sick for 3-10 days isn't that big of a deal. Not being able to move for 3-4 months and having permeant pain is much worse.

I know I'm comparing apples to oranges as well with my heel. But the data says I'll 99.9999% be fine. My own data says I've been fine. The narrative the media spins says I should be dead. At some point I'm not wrong.

I took it seriously in the beginning. Heck, hit the bottom link from one year ago and you can see my comments. I generally question everything, but for the first month I did listen to "guidelines and recommendations" from our government. At some point though you see the bull shit though. I've got a ton of other anecdotal evidence too that health care workers/docs think it's pure shit and that's coming straight from their mouth, not my interpretation.
57   theoakman   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 26, 5:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

My whole family had it. My father was sick for 3 weeks (70 years old). My wife was asymptomatic. My daughter was asymptomatic. My son was sick for a day. There is clear data of who this is dangerous to. If they want to stay home and lockdown fine. The rest of society needs to move on.
58   theoakman   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 26, 5:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

"What a nation of dripping sissies. My pal sent me pictures of the hiking trails in West Marin, couples and solo hikers all masked up out on an un-crowded trail, a year into this charade."

What's even more ridiculous is that these people that hike solo with a mask have likely already been vaccinated. It's become a religion at this point.
59   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 26, 6:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Robert those are fantastic graphs!

Where did you get them?

I have been interested in deaths-per-million numbers as a way to refute propaganda about lock-down vs non-lock-down states and countries.
For example Sweden, despite massive defaming propaganda, has a significantly better death-per-million number than super locked-down countries like Britain. (Largely avoiding the resultant economic damage, which is why the frantic justification of lock-down regimes will never end.) The first chart is a CDC chart that seemed striking so I saved it, the second has no provenance as I just web searched for “historic death per million”.
60   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 26, 7:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.

My conclusion from this is that in China hospitals do not get extra pay if someone is classified as dying from/with covid...
61   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 26, 7:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
The burden is on you to prove that masks do anything but the obvious harm and you haven't done so, neither has anyone else.

Fauci et al insist that you CAN NOT use manifestly safe medications like Ivermectin (better safety profile than Tylenol) or Hydroxychloroquine without Gold Standard, Double-Blind, Randomized, Placebo-Controlled, Trials (tm) but you CAN institute crippling economic lock-downs and devastating social controls just on the whims and notions of over paid, preening, career bureaucrats and politicians.
62   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 26, 8:03am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
ThreeBays says
Do you know you didn't have it already? Have you considered an antibody test?

I don't care. What difference does it make if I've had or am going to have it? There's almost no chance I'll die from it given my age and health. I'll take a case of covid 10 out of 10 times over fracturing my heel like I did last fall. Being sick for 3-10 days isn't that big of a deal. Not being able to move for 3-4 months and having permeant pain is much worse.

I know I'm comparing apples to oranges as well with my heel. But the data says I'll 99.9999% be fine. My own data says I've been fine. The narrative the media spins says I should be dead. At some point I'm not wrong.

I took it seriously in the beginning. Heck, hit the bottom link from one year ago and you can see my comments. I generally question everything, but for the first month I did listen to "guidelines and recomme...


Very true. Many old people die relatively quickly once they become immobile, e.g. break their hip. Not because it's life threatening but because of the follow up consequences of not moving around anymore becoming life threatening. An infection that goes away quickly is much more preferable.
63   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 26, 8:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Well my asthmatic nephew is now completely wiped out. Might have to get him tested. Found out my dumb ass sister in law was around her ghetto boyfriend that has Covid. If it is covid he should be fine being young and all, but he's also allergic to tree pollen and our cars are currently covered in it. So he might be getting slammed right now. He's a kid that could die from influenza strains anyway.

I don't know why in the flying fuck she'd come around her son. Sorry, patnet is my place to vent sometimes and I'm really pissed right now. Covid is real. It's mostly harmless, but this kid is one that shouldn't be around it. And she fucking walked into my home with it potentially, and knew that she had been around it. First time in a long time I've wanted to throw a right hook at a bitch. Just when he got back to full time school. Ugh... Looks like remote learning for the next week or two. Just when I thought we were turning the corner to normalcy.
64   theoakman   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 26, 8:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Wookie, the good news is, most people taking steroidal inhalants for asthma are less affected because of the amount of steroids they use nearly eliminates all inflammation. Good luck. Same thing happened to us. Just as wife was getting vaxxed, kids come down with it. It's like tripping over the finish line.
65   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 26, 9:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

theoakman says
Wookie, the good news is, most people taking steroidal inhalants for asthma are less affected because of the amount of steroids they use nearly eliminates all inflammation. Good luck. Same thing happened to us. Just as wife was getting vaxxed, kids come down with it. It's like tripping over the finish line.

Didn't know that. Thanks.

He didn't sleep most the night just up coughing constantly. I've been up since 4am because he wouldn't stop coughing. He got 2-3 hours of sleep about 7:30am till now. He's been with us for 3 months now roughly, and he coughs and sneezes a lot anyway, but it started getting rough the last few days. He's a bit of a sissy (no dad), but he was crying this morning about it. For a non-physical injury I start to take it bit more seriously when that happens.

I'm just pissed at his mom that she knew she was around someone with Covid and came into our home. I know I harp on the hype of covid a lot here, but I myself have high hereditary BP and I don't want to be knowingly exposed to it. If I travel or go somewhere that's my choice. If you know someone that has Covid and were around them, don't come near me. I'll likely be fine, but I still try to be as responsible as I can. If I had the flu in the past I just stayed home and isolated myself from my family in the basement. So pissed at the SIL.
66   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 26, 9:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Well my asthmatic nephew is now completely wiped out. Might have to get him tested. Found out my dumb ass sister in law was around her ghetto boyfriend that has Covid. If it is covid he should be fine being young and all, but he's also allergic to tree pollen and our cars are currently covered in it. So he might be getting slammed right now. He's a kid that could die from influenza strains anyway.

I don't know why in the flying fuck she'd come around her son. Sorry, patnet is my place to vent sometimes and I'm really pissed right now. Covid is real. It's mostly harmless, but this kid is one that shouldn't be around it. And she fucking walked into my home with it potentially, and knew that she had been around it. First time in a long time I've wanted to throw a right hook at a bitch. Just when he got back to full time school. Ugh... Looks like remote learning for the next week or two. Just when I thought we were turning the corner to normalcy.


Vitamin D. It's cheap and available everywhere.
67   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 26, 9:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

theoakman says
Wookie, the good news is, most people taking steroidal inhalants for asthma are less affected

Budesonide is commonly prescribed for asthma and is now testing effective for early treatment of Covid.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00160-0/fulltext
I would think it would have some prophylactic benefit to those who use it daily.
68   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 26, 9:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The best protection against Covid is to contract and beat the illness. Give the kid an inhaler, vitamin D, zinc, and Quercetin. He will kick it fast. And you’ve got an opportunity to do the same.

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