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I know what you're thinking, but what about all of the survivors with the tattoos. They were in internment camps, but if there were gas chambers then why are they alive?

Look at all of the Americans that believe the smears about Trump and his supporters. In 40 years, they'll be telling a story that differs vastly from reality as well. If we let THEM!

Wow Patnetters are not afraid of the third rail.

Some crazy bastich might even compare death rates at camp Auschwitz to death rates at camp Sumter

Bad comparison TPB. We didn’t use the Japanese for slave labor and also they were set free by us voluntarily.

This is not to excuse the US rounding up Japanese during WWII but rather to point out I’m how bad a comparison it is.

As far as the propaganda, that’s already taken place, spearheaded by the evil assholes that work in the US msm.

Holocaust deniers claim all the deaths in the camps were due to Covid, Hitler was innocent.

stfu says

Wow Patnetters are not afraid of the third rail.

Dude are YOU hearing what Congress and the Democrats are saying about Conservatives, Trump, Trump's family and his supporters?

They are doing the same Dog whistle shit, that would have made a gas chamber hoax a reality.
If you're not even questioning or pushing back on it, then you're complacent as well.

I can tell you this, if there was "Obama voters must be made to pay for what they did" Movement. I would be the first to speak up and say they have lost their damn minds.

Show me one Democrat, Pundit, or commentary from the Democrat base speaking out against this dangerous precedent?


As long as they can do that with impunity and openly. Then I can refute the Holocaust claims.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

This is not to excuse the US rounding up Japanese during WWII but rather to point out I’m how bad a comparison it is.

Well we'll never know will we, like in all good clean up jobs, they were all rounded up and killed even the lowly nobodies in command.
I never got the Nuremburg trails. Hitler should have been the end of it. You either do what you were told, or you got a bullet in your head, and your family were killed as well.
If you're to believe the whole Holocaust story.
Hitler was this bad evil diabolical fiend, that if you crossed he would shoot you in your head point blank.
Also the story.
Oh if those guards went along with it, then they were guilty too!

Can anyone explain to me, why all of Sadam Hussein's army and guards didn't meet the same trials and punishments? They didn't have to flee to the Brazilian rain forest to escape the gallows.

Now don't nobody go calling me a Nazi sympathizer or a Nazi just for pointing the gross hypocrisy.

The Left has turned into everything they claim the Nazi's were, while also trying to turn Trump's post Presidency into the Nuremburg trials.

ISIS and Alqeda people that are on video chopping peoples heads off, are sent to prison and released after a few years. Those people did what they did, on their own accord, to get praises form their spiritual leaders.

Ceffer says

Holocaust deniers claim all the deaths in the camps were due to Covid, Hitler was innocent.

The reality is that anybody that questions ANYTHING that has been for years reported to have happened in WWII is called a "Holocaust denier".

Isn't it odd, for example, that the Nazi regime used resources during a time of war to cremate all the bodies, BUT they kept all the shoes of their victims? Why did they bother to transport them to concentration camps, just to kill them there? There's lots of logical inconsistencies I could list.

When I was a kid, it was accepted as absolute fact that Jewish victims were being use to make soap, and had their skin used for lampshades. Well, there's genetic testing now so that quietly went away.

In the 1960's it was considered "fact" that 2 million Jewish people died in WWII, sometime in the 1970s that number became 6 million.

The reality is that it's dangerous to question what happened. It's dangerous to investigate it or even ask questions about it. It's a very taboo subject.

richwicks says

The reality is that it's dangerous to question what happened. It's dangerous to investigate it or even ask questions about it. It's a very taboo subject.

It is this exact reason the subject should be talked about.

GlocknLoad says

richwicks says

The reality is that it's dangerous to question what happened. It's dangerous to investigate it or even ask questions about it. It's a very taboo subject.

It is this exact reason the subject should be talked about.

People have tried for 70 years. I fought the good fight for 30 years. I'm sick of arguing about this.

What has to happen is a complete end of trust of "authorities". It's happening now, but it's slow and painful.

It's not just our history is incorrect, our media lies to us, obviously our politicians lie to us, our financial system is BS. People are becoming aware of it, but good lord, they should have known 20 years ago. Seems like people are starting to put the pieces together though recently.

Since the 1970's I have heard about the Holocaust -- seen the documentaries, learned whatever was presented in school, saw the movies, etc. And, I never really thought too much about it. I just sort of accepted whatever came across my attention.

However, a few years ago, somehow I came across Holocaust denial and decided to look into it. I discovered PLENTY of work has been done on the subject. It seems to me all the heavy lifting with respect to debunking the claim of the mass exterminations during the Nazi regime has been done. Decades ago actually.

For anyone interested in Holocaust denial I think the following video is a good place to start. Truly eye opening for me. The video is about 30 minutes long.

“THE JEWISH GAS CHAMBER HOAX” is a Revisionist documentary which provides revelatory evidence debunking the greatest hoax in human history – “The Holocaust” — the fraudulent claim that six million jews were murdered by Germans, mostly in “Gas Chambers disguised as Shower Rooms.”

http://goytalk.com/the-jewish-gas-chamber-hoax/

Next, another well made piece is the following documentary. It goes on for 4 hours and 15 minutes and it is THOROUGH.

"This documentary explains how the German wartime camps at Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec (all in Poland) were not death camps, as is usually claimed. It thereby debunks one third of the Holocaust."

http://goytalk.com/one-third-of-the-holocaust-by-dean-irebodd/


Tenpoundbass says

But what the American commies, RINOs and Democrats are trying to do, is nothing short of what the Holocaust denial folks say happened at the end of WWII.

Yup. If the hoax of the Holocaust can be perpetuated to this day, things equally outrageous can easily be done by those with power and the will to do so.

I knew a British medical student in the day, whom I dated and visited in England. Her father was a very elderly Jewish physician, her mother Polish, and they had her very late in life. We had dinner together over many evenings. He was originally from Warsaw, and saved the mother's life during WWII. He managed to flee with her, and skip around Europe under hair raising circumstances, always avoiding the Nazis to survive. He was the only survivor of a large well to do extended family in Warsaw. He didn't have another single known relative who lived. He re-established himself in England with a medical practice.

Strange thing was, he had phenomenal fortitude and did not seem consumed with bitterness over it. That's enough Holocaust for me.

Ceffer says

He was the only survivor of a large well to do extended family in Warsaw. He didn't have another single known relative who lived. He re-established himself in England with a medical practice.

The Allies bombed their enemies mercilessly. On all fronts and in every theatre.
WWII frontlines were people's neighborhoods.
When we took Normandy beach we killed every Nazi that was left. Burned every Hornets nest bunker with the Nazis still in it, they simply ran out of ammunition. They were most all still alive when the beach was stormed. After WWII there were thousands of mass graves, of enemy and civilians the Allied forces killed, that could have easily been dug up and a staged photo op created for the Nuremburg trials.
I've known Holocaust survivors myself, they were definitely locked up and forced into labor.

The Allies bombed and killed scores of Chinese that were fleeing Nanking, they didn't want the refugee crisis to interfere with the war.
Russia and China were our Allies in WWII.

I remember seeing films at the War Museum in London that were shot soon after the German surrender. One showed British soldiers overseeing German soldiers loading emaciated bodies onto trucks. These bodies were stacked like cord wood throughout that camp and must have numbered well over 1,000. Maybe they were not gassed, but they were certainly starved to death.

Be careful here. The Holocaust may have been exaggerated up to 6 million, and there were certainly other 20th Century genocides that were worse, but this has nothing to do with any false narratives by the Oligarchs today. If you go down this road of downplaying the Holocaust, you will set yourself up as not credible when you speak of the lies being told today. Keep your eye on exposing the present day hoaxes.

America and the Allies played on one rule only.

"War is Hell!"

But the aftermath only the enemy could be labeled inhumane for their wartime actions.

The Allies bombed and killed scores of Chinese that were fleeing Nanking

??? What are you referring to? The "Rape of Nanking?" That occurred in 1937. That was strictly between China and Japan, no US or British allies involved.

HeadSet says

One showed British soldiers overseeing German soldiers loading emaciated bodies onto trucks. These bodies were stacked like cord wood throughout that camp and must have numbered well over 1,000. Maybe they were not gassed, but they were certainly starved to death.

They were starved to death - because the Allies cut off food supply lines. The people in concentration camps were forced slave labor. Plenty of people died in them, the people unable to unwilling to work they were of course killed - like any slave would be.

Awful things were done by the Nazis in WWII, but there are many exaggerated stories about what they did for propaganda purposes. Awful things were done by the Allies too. War is a terrible thing but it is annoying we are not allowed to know the truth and we only hear propaganda.

The ALLIES starved these people to death, intentionally, to prevent them from working. The Germans weren't responsible for all these people starving to death in concentration camps.

We were.

And that's the real reason you can't question what happened in the holocaust.

The ALLIES starved these people to death, intentionally, to prevent them from working.

How was that done? Bomb supply vehicles bringing food to the camps? But somehow leave the food supply for the guards and surrounding town intact.

HeadSet says

The ALLIES starved these people to death, intentionally, to prevent them from working.

How was that done? Bomb supply vehicles bringing food to the camps? But somehow leave the food supply for the guards and surrounding town intact.

Destroying roads, rail-lines, bridges cutting of energy supply lines.

What is the point of starving your slave labor that you only keep alive to make your munitions? What is the use of slowly starving them to death? You could always get some food and supplies in, that goes to the slave masters though before it goes to the slaves. They were just entirely neglected.

In wartime, people horde food as well, do you think forced slave labor had this opportunity?

Lots of people were starving in WWII. It was the end of the war. You know how long it takes you to starve to death - unless you are very overweight? About 2 months. Your body will start to cannibalize organs. People generally die of heart failure.

Remember "work will make you free" - that was on Auschwitz's entrance. It wasn't true, but these were slave labor camps and I'll readily admit if a prisoner couldn't do the labor, what was the point of keeping them alive? I'm certain they were killed.

I'm not defending what happened, I'm not saying the German military wasn't cruel, but I'm not pie in the sky and don't realize MY nation wasn't cruel.

Ever seen Grave of the Fireflies?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies

That is based on the short story by Akiyuki Nosaka. He was an orphan in Japan at the end of WWII. The story is about how two children starved to death near the end of WWII in Japan. The reality is, that Akiyuki Nosaka was Seita - the boy in the film, his sister starved to death as Akiyuki Nosaka ate all the food and he has lifelong regret over what he did as a boy to survive.

War destroys societies and our collective soul. The cruelest survive and they justify it, at least at the time.

There's a few remakes of Grave of the Fireflies, but I recommend the animation. We firebombed cities - we did this by taking cans filled with oil with a rag attached, and lit them on fire and dumped them out of the plane. These would cause an entire city to burn when they landed. Firestorms consumed entire cities, and we did that over and over and over again - over civilian populations.

In WWII, EVERYBODY was a war criminal. My great uncle was in WWII and I once asked him about his experience as a small child. I was told by my parents to shut up, and never ask him about that ever again and I never did and it was only after he was dead, I understood why my parents made that command.

All wars are filled with lies, propaganda, distortions, and horror.

richwicks says

Seems like people are starting to put the pieces together though recently.

I sure hope you're right.

Can anyone provide video of the Nuremburg trials? I have never seen anything but very short clips. In fact only 1 clip have I seen, if I remember correctly.

GlocknLoad says

richwicks says

Seems like people are starting to put the pieces together though recently.

I sure hope you're right.

Well, a bunch of people are figuring out they can bankrupt the entire financial system if they just purchase about 30 billion dollars worth of actual silver. That GUARANTEES bankruptcy - what they will find out though, is they won't be allowed to do it. That would consume the entire world's supply of silver for a year, and most silver isn't recycled.

What will happen is that silver will just be unavailable, it will be rationed, and silver buyers will be called terrorists.

Compared to 10 years ago, a TON of more people are awake. It's a good sign. If people actually start purchasing actual silver and they stick to it, wait for the "delivery delays" in about 3-4 months, the system is finished. Seriously. Because they will never get delivery and then they will realize it's all just a huge scam. That's our financial system.

Americans can take back the country, by just purchasing commodities our government has been pushing down for decades. It will drive the dollar to worthlessness, but it will take out the whole goddamned financial system, banking system, political system, "news" media system - all of it goes.

I do know from Polish Catholic relatives that the Nazis definitely did some nasty things to them. One relative was in Dachau where he was mistreated and finally let go when they knew he was going to die. He died shortly after. The pictures of the concentration camps are real. People were starving in them.

A handicapped relative was shot immediately when the Nazis took possession of their town, Tuliszkow. And the Germans renamed Polish streets and towns with German names, and gave themselves greater privileges than the Poles, by law.

But about gas chambers, I don't know. They didn't tell me anything about that. I find it hard to believe it was all made up.

richwicks says

Lots of people were starving in WWII. It was the end of the war.

One thing I learned from studying in Germany is that people starved to death before the war. It was that bad.

The Great Depression in Germany was far harder than it was here. This is what drove the radicalization into Communist and Nazi, and weakened the Weimar Republic.

Patrick says

But about gas chambers, I don't know. They didn't tell me anything about that. I find it hard to believe it was all made up.

That's the problem. You can't know definitively.

But it doesn't make sense to cart people to another country, setup barracks, food facilities etc - just to kill them in a gas chamber.

What is known for certain is that what we are told happened during the holocaust is certainly exaggerated - we just don't know to what degree.

It's called "Holocaust Denial" not by the people that question it. It's as if you question the safety of vaccines you're called an "anti-vaxxer" - that isn't what they are. That is what they are labelled as.

Zyklon B was invented by a brilliant man, Fritz Haber. It was an insecticide based on cyanide. It works as a delousing agent. That's what it was used for, according to some people - are they correct? It's certainly plausible. In a high enough concentration ANY gas that doesn't contain oxygen will kill you. Any gas. Hydrogen, helium, nitrogen. If you want to just kill people, nitrogen would be a SUPER cheap way to do it. Why would you use a poison, just oxygen depletion works fine. An advantage of using just any gas that doesn't contain oxygen is that it's painless, and very inexpensive.

Fritz Haber was one of the people credited with the Haber process - that makes a great deal of our ammonium nitrate fertilizer, if it wasn't for that, our world population wouldn't even be close to 8 billion people.

There are lies in every war, and our nation and every nation committed horrific atrocities. I think much of the holocaust story is to defend what was done but absolutely many Jewish people were killed but something like 27 million Russians died as well. A little under 1/2 of those were civilians.



That's a Russian who ended up like that during the siege of Leningrad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union

I'm not saying what didn't happen I'm simply saying I don't know if what is claimed to have happened did. I don't trust our historians and I have seen my government lie VICIOUSLY for my entire lifetime. You have as well. We are barred from discussing this - that's a red flag.

HeadSet says

??? What are you referring to? The "Rape of Nanking?" That occurred in 1937. That was strictly between China and Japan, no US or British allies involved.

I meant that China and Russia were our Allies in WWII. Why did we look away from their atrocities but not Hitler's?

Like I said War is hell. Jews are powerful people in the world, not a dig against them but it's the truth and the fact.

Their collective anger was so great that they wanted to expunge German people from the planet, at all cost. They wanted them all dead and punished.

No other Country has been treated like that in a post war since Medieval times. And it's nothing we would do a Islamic regime no matter how many people gathered and cheered at public beheadings and hanging. No matter how many gay people where thrown off tall buildings to an audience of thousands of spectators.

ISIS leaders are able to petition to return to England and other European countries. They don't fear being blamed and held personally responsible for the whole Jihad episodes.

Tenpoundbass says

This is fantastic really.

Climate Denier!

I think one thing we can all agree on is, while blacks and Jews have certainly been mistreated at times in the past, so have many other ethnic groups. But the only ones you constantly hear bitching and moaning about it are black and Jews. At least the racist/bigoted ones.

And it's fine for you to downplay Japanese interment camps, Rwandan genocide, etc. But don't even think of suggesting the Civil War wasn't about slavery, or gas chambers weren't real.

NuttBoxer says

I think one thing we can all agree on is, while blacks and Jews have certainly been mistreated at times in the past, so have many other ethnic groups. But the only ones you constantly hear bitching and moaning about it are black and Jews.

And in this day of what looks like an epic wave of socialism, maybe it's time to dust off the Russian situation in the first 80 years of the 20th century; and Mao's maneuvers. How about the Armenians and their systematic slaughter?

Few people know of Eisenhower's Rhine-Meadows death camps.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/rheinwiesenlager

"It's okay when we do it..."

NuttBoxer says

But don't even think of suggesting the Civil War wasn't about slavery

I think we can agree it was about much more than slavery. No?

It's a disgrace - and not an accident - that Soviet and Maoist concentration camps, or the Cambodian Genocide, aren't routinely taught in High School.

Only the Racial Socialist one, and not even all of those (Serbian Genocide, Russian POW Genocide, Polish Genocide, etc.)

And the Death March of Bataan and a lot of other shit gets omitted.

richwicks says

Americans can take back the country, by just purchasing commodities our government has been pushing down for decades. It will drive the dollar to worthlessness, but it will take out the whole goddamned financial system, banking system, political system, "news" media system - all of it goes.

Be careful what you wish for. The current system sucks and is unfair and illegitimate. The current system is a violation of natural law, the current system however may look like paradise compared to what comes next when this old order is replaced with the new world order.

PeopleUnited says

Be careful what you wish for. The current system sucks and is unfair and illegitimate. The current system is a violation of natural law, the current system however may look like paradise compared to what comes next when this old order is replaced with the new world order.

A commodity monetary system would eliminate 90% of the corruption in our government and financial system.

There won't be any more people that can borrow at a 0% interest rate, and if they can just run whatever resources they buy at a profit, they stay solvent. It will return us to a meritocracy. The "New World Order" is just the very old world order - feudalism.

So I'm actually quite cautious about what I wish for and it's not that our current system "sucks and is unfair" - it's a criminal syndicate.

just_passing_through says

I think we can agree it was about much more than slavery. No?

"I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy. The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy. I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo."

-Lord Acton to Robert E Lee

richwicks says

A commodity monetary system would eliminate 90% of the corruption in our government and financial system.

We already have a commodity financial system indirectly - the requirement that the world get US dollars to buy Saudi oil.

I don't think it helped eliminate corruption. Our government still lies about the fact that Saudi fucks murdered thousands of Americans on 9/11 and we not only did nothing about it, we (meaning GW fucking Bush) went and did them a favor in return for their mass murder. We took out Saddam for them.

Anyway, human labor is the only real source of value imho. Everything else is just in order to control human labor in one way or another, that is, to make people work for you.

Patrick says

Anyway, human labor is the only real source of value imho.

IMO, all value is derived through labor and land (oil, crops, lumber etc etc). Everything else is a skim.