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How much violation of the Constitution will it take for the military to revolt?

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Jan 21, 8:44am 210 views   11 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


@MAGA Since I know you were in the military.

Is there any level of tyranny at which the US military will revolt and refuse to obey the president?

What if Biden directly violates both the First and Second Amendments by making all speech that criticizes Democrats illegal, and confiscates all guns from the public?

Would that do it? Will the military obey their oaths to uphold the Constitution, or never?

Would they obey an order to put all 71 million political dissidents on trains and send them to camps?
1   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Jan 21, 8:50am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

They were totally complicit in removing NatGuard troopers from guarding the regime takeover ceremony, so don't hold your breath.
2   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 21, 8:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think they’ll go further than you can imagine. Don’t want to get in trouble so they go along with orders. Orders to guard against protests, orders to clear a street, orders to round up protestors and detain them, orders to round up “domestic terrorists,” orders to put them on a train...
and that’s enough.
Once dissenters are imprisoned, they can be dispatched or abused by the special psychopaths that every government employs to do its dirty work.

To turn the military against the totalitarians, dissenters will first have to publicly BLEED for their cause. It would take a massacre to turn the tide and make soldiers refuse to comply anymore.

The generals are all part of the Party . They won’t lead any revolts.
3   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Jan 21, 8:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Remember, the Pentagon types all have cushy post-retirement jobs lined up with the Globalists.
4   MAGA   ignore (1)   2021 Jan 21, 11:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This might be before your time:

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/my-lai-massacre-1

We have an obligation to say NO to illegal orders.
5   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Jan 21, 12:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Recall the Obama Purge of senior officers and their replacement with loyalists:
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/
6   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Jan 21, 10:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

MAGA says
We have an obligation to say NO to illegal orders.



@MAGA What if they tell you the orders are legal, but any plain reading of the Constitution shows they are not? For example, making it a crime to criticize the government.

What if the military higher-ups agree with the politicians, because they were appointed by the politicians?

Is it even possible for soldiers to refuse to go along?
7   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Jan 22, 1:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The biggest butt kissing I ever saw was when a politician or the Sec of the AF came to a base. Colonels and up grovel and pander like there is no tomorrow. Such brass will never lead a rebellion against a rogue government.
8   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Jan 22, 1:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
The biggest butt kissing I ever saw was when a politician or the Sec of the AF came to a base. Colonels and up grovel and pander like there is no tomorrow. Such brass will never lead a rebellion against a rogue government.





"B-but Jack Ryan" - some 55+ guy who loves Tom Clancy Novels and thinks the FBI/CIA/Top Brass are mostly patriots rather than buttkissing ticketpunching bureaucrats.

We all know these types. They'll excuse all kinds of GOPe skulldruggery and betrayal and put up with anything from the Establishment with some excuse. But if you mention the Iron Law of Bureaucracy to them, they'll get redfaced in rage and denial.

Even though we saw repeated and crass disparate treatment in pro-Trump (skepticism, extreme vetting, pestering, billboards even) and anti-Trump situations (dismissal, reluctant acceptance of slam dunk evidence then ignored for over a year, etc.). Hell we even have texts and emails from dozens of "Jack Ryans" cursing Americans as "Smelling like Walmart" and finding ways to ignore/downplay/dismiss evidence unfavorable to the Uniparty, while charging somebody with a Cybercrime for checking his wife's email one time.
9   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Jan 22, 2:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

MAGA says
We have an obligation to say NO to illegal orders.


Really? What about Ehren Watada?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada

He actually fulfilled his obligation that you claim all military have. I have a great deal of respect for that man. If I ever go to Las Vegas, I'll go out of my way to make it to his restaurant, meet him, and offer my respect and gratitude.

I don't believe that military will ever, EVER draw a line. A handful might, but that's it. I have lost all respect for all institutions in our government in the last 4 years. This was the last one.

At the end of this, if there is an end to it in my lifetime, we'll be hearing a lot of bullshit like "I was just following orders". Our military is no different than the Nazi military today and it's delusional to deny it. Poor Julian Assange thought that if people knew about corruption, there would be an end to it. He ruined his life over that naive belief.
10   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Jan 22, 6:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Really? What about Ehren Watada?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada


Now that guy is an honest American hero.
11   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Jan 22, 6:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
richwicks says
Really? What about Ehren Watada?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada


Now that guy is an honest American hero.


I deeply respect him. I wouldn't have had similar courage at that age. What a goddamned set of ethics he's got.

I want to expound on this a bit. Morality develops as you age, since as you age, you have less to lose. It's easy for an 80 year old man to speak his mind, and much more dangerous to do so at 25. An 80 year old is nearing death anyhow, usually has assets and is merely waiting to die regardless, but a 25 year old has their entire life ahead of them.

Watada risked his entire future over a set moral system and he was injured from this risk he took.

I am finding it easier as I age to accept risks that could possibly lead to severe consequences. I would take the risk Watada did now, but I couldn't have done it 20 years ago. I'm curious as to what he's like now from a moral frame point.

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