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Elena Got Her First Covid-19 Vaccination Yesterday

By ohomen171 follow ohomen171   2020 Dec 27, 2:26am 481 views   27 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


#pfizercovid-19vaccine Elena got her first Pfizer Covid-19 injection yesterday. There was no injection site pain like with a flu shot. She did suffer a sudden drop in pulse and blood pressure. She had to rest more than 15 minutes. She came home and cooked lunch. She later experienced mild chills and fatigue. The second vaccination comes in three weeks. For now, she will be safe from Covid-19
1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Dec 27, 5:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

How many does one need??

Also why are people who already got it, getting a vaccine, when they said once you have it, you don't get it again?
2   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 27, 7:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

"For now, she will be safe from Covid-19"

Maybe.
And exposed to what completely unknown risks?
Here is some interesting history on another vaccine scam. The 1976 Swine Flu.
3   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2020 Dec 27, 7:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
How many does one need??

Also why are people who already got it, getting a vaccine, when they said once you have it, you don't get it again?


Same question from me too. Please keep us posted.
4   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 Dec 27, 8:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

She later experienced mild chills and fatigue.

That is disturbing. Why any symptoms at all? Isn't the new style vaccine using mRNA to prompt the body to create the needed antibodies to fight Covid? I hope we did not create a new type of artificial virus trying to fight a natural one.
5   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 27, 8:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ohomen171 says
For now, she will be safe from Covid-19


How do you know that? No MRNA shot has ever passed clinicals, and this is no exception as it is still in phase III trials. During Pfizer's testing, only 170 people in their study had both the MRNA shot, and Covid. Out of those 162 were given the placebo. So how many people did they actually study the affects of their shot against Covid on?

There's also an admitted possibility that with this shot she will actually have a more severe reaction to Covid if she ever gets it. So what are you basing safe on?

Background:
Myself and my family have practiced preventive health for the past 10 years. We almost never get sick, almost never have, or need health insurance, and haven't followed ANY of the recommendations surrounding Covid, well other friends who have, have gotten it.
6   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 27, 8:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Robert Sproul says
Here is some interesting history on another vaccine scam. The 1976 Swine Flu.


Well the situation is comparable, the treatment is not. That was an actual vaccine, the MRNA is not a vaccine, because it does not contain a weakened form of the Wuhan Flu, something that has still not been isolated by any lab.

This isn't medicine, it's genetic reprogramming.
7   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 27, 9:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
I'm going to let you guys be guinea pigs for at least 6 months.
Agreed. My family and I got COVID 2 weeks ago, so I'm in no rush to inject some crap into my body.
8   richwicks   ignore (3)   2020 Dec 27, 9:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

From: https://parler.com/post/a92624f34fb74ff0bd46d237a6a0b543

https://video.parler.com/vv/53/vv53IOCEaWZM.mp4

@Patrick - (I believe - didn't test it) you can embed that with:

<video controls>
  <source src="https://video.parler.com/vv/53/vv53IOCEaWZM.mp4">
</video>

I'm going to let you guys be guinea pigs for at least 6 months.
9   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 27, 10:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
This isn't medicine, it's genetic reprogramming.


True! messenger RNA is involved in the transfer of DNA information into proteins. I haven't read about the 'vaccine' but perhaps those proteins are antibodies for the virus? Polypeptides are a fancy name for protein. Hopefully it's not making viral proteins!

10   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 27, 11:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

just_passing_through says
I haven't read about the 'vaccine' but perhaps those proteins are antibodies for the virus?


They actually cause the body to produce the Wuhan Flu, with the stated purpose of building immunity through creation, then defeat. What they will actually do remains to be seen...
11   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 Dec 27, 11:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
just_passing_through says
I haven't read about the 'vaccine' but perhaps those proteins are antibodies for the virus?


They actually cause the body to produce the Wuhan Flu, with the stated purpose of building immunity through creation, then defeat. What they will actually do remains to be seen...


Wow. Causing the body to produce the Wuhan Flu is exactly what the virus would do in the first place. So instead of the traditional method of vaccination using a weakened or inert virus, this new Covid vaccine acts like a fully active virus by invading cells and replicating itself. Sounds like this new vaccine is just a fancier way of implementing the old Chicken Pox parties, where parents would mingle their kids with an infected neighbor kid to get Chicken Pox over and done with.
12   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 27, 11:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
this new Covid vaccine acts like a fully active virus by invading cells and replicating itself.


It probably creates copies of the viral proteins only and probably not all of them. Probably some conserved region that doesn't change much. Not the viral RNA (in entirety) nor the lipid membrane the surrounds this particular virus.

Definitely doesn't create entire copies of virus. That would just be insane Dr. Evil shit.
13   Shaman   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 27, 11:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
just_passing_through says
I haven't read about the 'vaccine' but perhaps those proteins are antibodies for the virus?


They actually cause the body to produce the Wuhan Flu, with the stated purpose of building immunity through creation, then defeat. What they will actually do remains to be seen...


Close, but not quite. My wife has been researching the vaccine extensively and her take is that the mRNA is forcing the body’s cells to create the spike protein of the virus on the outside of the cells. So it somehow repels Covid virus?
Also she says that you’re not “immune” until after three weeks after the second shot.

It’s no wonder that Elena had chills. This is basically infecting people with a different sort of virus that hijacks the machinery of your cells to make a viral protein. This virus is just coated with shark fat instead of a viral coat. Not sure if it self propagates as well?
Maybe @just_passing_through can figure out something more specific since he’s a biochemist.
14   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 27, 11:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
This is basically infecting people with a different sort of virus that hijacks the machinery of your cells to make a viral protein.


Great way to explain it...

Shaman says
This virus is just coated with shark fat instead of a viral coat.


Nutz!
15   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 27, 1:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I have been following Panic Sceptic Dr. Michael Yeadon, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research. He is calling for the stoppage of all vaccination studies. He indicates severe hazard may be involved.

• "The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus."
• "The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women."
https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

He has a talk and a couple of interviews on YouTube where he very soothingly argues that Covid-19 is over. And tests are bullshit.
17   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 27, 10:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

just_passing_through says
It probably creates copies of the viral proteins only and probably not all of them.


@just_passing_through How would the mRNA actually get into cells where the ribosomes are? Just injecting it into the bloodstream does not sound like it would work.
18   Rin   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 28, 11:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
@just_passing_through How would the mRNA actually get into cells where the ribosomes are? Just injecting it into the bloodstream does not sound like it would work.


This is basically the use of applied chemistry where a blend of oil based substances like cholesterol and stabilized phospholipids (Micelles) make it appear to be a food stuff to a cell.

And then, through endocytosis (basically how cells eat food) the stuff is then inside. The trick, however, is to then prevent intracellular enzymes from chopping up the mRNA once it's no longer protected by its couriers. Oakman may have some ideas here.
19   Rin   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 28, 11:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
So instead of the traditional method of vaccination using a weakened or inert virus, this new Covid vaccine acts like a fully active virus by invading cells and replicating itself.


And hence, the valid fear of developing autoimmune disorders by more or less, causing the body to go ape shit when there's nothing really going on. For a weakened flu virus, the body does have a 'localized' attack and thus, can render a response w/o going postal.

This, on the other hand, is in effect, telling the body that the entire tissue section has gone awry. To quote Dr Yeadon ...

"The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination."
20   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 28, 12:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Has Elena gotten Bell's Palsy or died yet? Maybe just a dash of Guillain Barre Syndrome and a few weeks in an iron lung? Every vaccine needs to come with a crate of epinephrine pens for anaphylaxis, either immediate or delayed.
21   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 28, 6:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

@Rin describes that (hacking) well.

I was just going to say picture two oil droplets merging when they touch each other. :)

It happens naturally as well. To bounce off of the potential quantum effects with respect to memory:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6982255/

Those vesicles are basically oil droplets with water inside + whatever they are transporting. A while back I did read some hypothesis relating the above to quantum effects (DNA/RNA messages +quantum) but I don't recall where I found that.
22   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 28, 7:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
Maybe @just_passing_through can figure out something more specific since he’s a biochemist.


No no no... I quit that in the late 90s. I'm a bioinformatics scientist these days. "Computer scientist for genetic data algorithms"...

Former career was harder, longer days and paid shit.
23   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 28, 7:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
My wife has been researching the vaccine extensively and her take is that the mRNA is forcing the body’s cells to create the spike protein of the virus on the outside of the cells. So it somehow repels Covid virus?


Yeah, my other guess. That's the usual route. Endogenous antibodies would be cooler. In that case your body reacts to the foreign protein and makes antibodies for it. Sort of same idea, just less direct.
24   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 29, 2:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

just_passing_through says
In that case your body reacts to the foreign protein and makes antibodies for it.

That is my understanding of how the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work. Cells produce the spike protein and then body reacts with antibody production.
25   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2020 Dec 29, 2:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

EBGuy says
That is my understanding of how the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work. Cells produce the spike protein and then body reacts with antibody production.

So, making sure I understand

The vaccine causes our cells (all of them, some of them,??) to create a rona protein that our bodies then create antibodies to fight against these proteins and then the body is better able to fight the Wuhan?

Is this how the vaccine beats the CCP virus and lets us get back to normal?

Like my wife always tells me, I'm not an epidemiologist.
26   Shaman   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 29, 3:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

If any vaccine, this is the best one. Not yet ready but has the best science behind it.
Novavax
Maryland-based biotechnology company Novavax specializes in "protein subunit" vaccines. They use virus-like nanoparticles as a base and cover them with genetically engineered pieces of the coronavirus spike protein.
This is also a tried and true vaccine approach. A hepatitis B vaccine given to newborns is a protein subunit vaccine, as is the human papillomavirus or HPV vaccine and FluBlok, Sanofi's influenza vaccine.
Novavax uses an insect virus called a baculovirus to get the coronavirus spike protein into moth cells, which then produce the protein. This is harvested and mixed with an adjuvant -- an immune booster --based on saponin, found in soap bark trees.

Unless you’d like to be infected with a monkey virus 🦠 that is! AstraZeneca and Jannsen have chimp adenovirus vectors for their vaccines that actually infect you with their virus. Fun! Maybe you’ll grow a tail and a predilection for bananas?
I won’t be taking those.
I saw that movie.
27   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 29, 5:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
From: https://parler.com/post/a92624f34fb74ff0bd46d237a6a0b543

https://video.parler.com/vv/53/vv53IOCEaWZM.mp4

Patrick - (I believe - didn't test it) you can embed that with:

<video controls>
  <source src="https://video.parler.com/vv/53/vv53IOCEaWZM.mp4">
</video>

I'm going to let you guys be guinea pigs for at least 6 months.


Thanks @richwicks

You can now embed Parler videos just by including the link ending in .mp4

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