Article says the occurence is no greater than in general pop...one out of 5,000 randomly get it.
Says serious side effects are less than .5%....1 out of 200, and I’d wager a decent amount of money it’s actually less than that.
This is certainly a potential outcome, but we should remember the rushed polio vaccine didn't show side-effects until years later. But I think the more important question we should ask, what are the risks if they don't take it?
You could die if you do take it, or seriously compromise your immune system, or god knows what. This is an untested vaccination.
People who complain about animal testing, perhaps justifiably in some cases, don't realize that everything is eventually tested on an animal subject. In this case, the animal subjects are human beings.
Article says the occurence is no greater than in general pop...one out of 5,000 randomly get it.
Says serious side effects are less than .5%....1 out of 200, and I’d wager a decent amount of money it’s actually less than that.
The chances of dying of the disease itself is less than 1 out of 1000. So, I'm supposed to take a vaccination that has a 5 times higher chance of serious side effects?
I swear to god, this whole thing is designed to eliminate and impoverish people that slept through grade school math.
Article says the occurence is no greater than in general pop...one out of 5,000 randomly get it.
Says serious side effects are less than .5%....1 out of 200, and I’d wager a decent amount of money it’s actually less than that.
The chances of dying of the disease itself is less than 1 out of 1000. So, I'm supposed to take a vaccination that has a 5 times higher chance of serious side effects?
I swear to go, this whole thing is designed to eliminate and impoverish people that slept through grade school math.
It's not even 1 in 1000. I'm pretty sure, at my age/health, it's closer to 1 in 1000000.
Technically, that's true of drinking water as well, and I don't mean contamination, just drinking way too much. Can we raise the bar a little and put a percentage behind that? Personally, the two people I know who contracted Wuhan were never even close to being in danger of dying.
that means 1/78.7 = 1.271% of the population dies every year. I don't see how people are getting their panties in a bunch over this especially with the precipitous drops in deaths from OTHER diseases. I think people just don't fucking think. They're not suspicious at all and are incurious. Most people are too cowardly to come to their own conclusion and are only comfortable accepting an "authorities" stated conclusion. Their reasoning is "not everybody can be lying" - well, when you exist in a society that doesn't really have a free press and censors dissenters, the only people you hear from are those that are vetted by unknown groups.
I remember thinking Edward Bernays was full of shit, and was some antiquated idiot pop psychologist that just tapped into the stupidity of people of the 1950's. Nope. He just recognized people are a lot dumber than I did. But I wouldn't say they were stupid (he did!) they are naive and gullible.
The proliferation of masks in public parks astounds me. The mandate says wear a mask when you can't maintain social distance. I went for my morning walk with my wife down to the Marina and back a little late this morning and the Sunday crowd was out. Most were straight up masked. A couple were wearing neck gaiters, scarves or some other, violating mandate, one layer garment. Some had their masks down but put them on when anyone came within 20ft.
I'll give them their distance but I will only wear a mask when I have to buy food.
The proliferation of masks in public parks astounds me.
Me too.
I'm supposedly in the smartest place in the nation, Silly Con Valley. Smart == compliant apparently. I'm shocked that I can't talk to colleagues about math and statistics and am entirely unable to get them to see my point of view. These people have as much education as I do in hard science.
It's not just about sars-cov2-19, but the last "election", economics, the national debt, historical means ratios, blah blah blah. All of society is insane, but it reverts to the mean, and I think we're reverting to the mean and this pandemic is cover for it. I expect most of the nation to be impoverished within 5 years. We are in the biggest bubble in human history, and it's worldwide.
Normally our rulers take us to some catastrophe to explain away their fiscal malfeasance to make a culprit to explain away the disaster. Well, better a fake pandemic instead of a bullshit war.
Yes I’m taking it. I’m fat and have other co morbidities.
I’m not some crazed Covid Karen. I haven’t used a sick day at work since February...I go in every day. I’ve been to Las Vegas 3 times since July. I don’t wear a mask outdoors.
But I’m also not going to invent vaccine side effects in my head just cause I wanna conspiracy theory.
If I get Covid, it’s still only a small chance I croak, but much greater than 1 in a thousand. At this point there’s no reason for me not to take the vaccine. Those advocating not taking it in this thread have thus far only proven themselves to be the opposite but equals of the Covid Karens....that is over panicked about things that aren’t backed by a science and medicine.
Yes I’m taking it. I’m fat and have other co morbidities.
You might not be able to have babies.
Lol I’d be pissed severely if I had a kid at my age. I’m working on retirement in 7-10 years and planning how to arrange for someone to take care of our dogs when we travel. Sterilization as a side effect would be much welcome.
I don't think it's a conspiracy. Don't think most here do. You or I simply don't know if there are long term side effects. There's science behind it, but no long term data on what it does to you potentially. I mean asbestos and lead was used in everything forever with knowledge of the danger.
I'm not anti-vax, but I'm not rushing to get it for a cold and maybe a minor flu bug. Remember almost everyone who has gotten it is just on round one and needs the follow up shot. We really have no clue what it "could" do to people.
Also, almost all deaths are in people that had co morbidities that were close to killing them without getting the virus. Age is also a bigger factor. If you're under 70, I really wouldn't even worry about Covid. The "science" has been miserably wrong with regards to Covid. We didn't need masks, now we do. When we comply cases shoot through the roof.
Richwicks says it best, it's like people don't want to read statistics. If you can do basic math and understand basic demographics, this whole thing is a nothing burger. No saying you don't or not to be concerned, but it really won't do anything to you if you don't get the vax for 99% of people.
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It's probably only temporary.
Says serious side effects are less than .5%....1 out of 200, and I’d wager a decent amount of money it’s actually less than that.
The article also,
Are you going to take the vaccine?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/boston-doctor-serious-reaction-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine
This is certainly a potential outcome, but we should remember the rushed polio vaccine didn't show side-effects until years later. But I think the more important question we should ask, what are the risks if they don't take it?
you could die.
You could die if you do take it, or seriously compromise your immune system, or god knows what. This is an untested vaccination.
People who complain about animal testing, perhaps justifiably in some cases, don't realize that everything is eventually tested on an animal subject. In this case, the animal subjects are human beings.
The chances of dying of the disease itself is less than 1 out of 1000. So, I'm supposed to take a vaccination that has a 5 times higher chance of serious side effects?
I swear to god, this whole thing is designed to eliminate and impoverish people that slept through grade school math.
It's not even 1 in 1000. I'm pretty sure, at my age/health, it's closer to 1 in 1000000.
Technically, that's true of drinking water as well, and I don't mean contamination, just drinking way too much. Can we raise the bar a little and put a percentage behind that? Personally, the two people I know who contracted Wuhan were never even close to being in danger of dying.
1 in 2,000 residents died WITH, not necessarily from, covid since the start of the dempanic.
With enough time, the probability of death rises to 100% for everyone.
Currently the number of deaths attributed to sars-cov2-19 is 340,596 - officially
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
That's 340,596 / 330,000,000 = 0.114%
But given that the average life expectancy in the United States is 78.7 years
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm
that means 1/78.7 = 1.271% of the population dies every year. I don't see how people are getting their panties in a bunch over this especially with the precipitous drops in deaths from OTHER diseases. I think people just don't fucking think. They're not suspicious at all and are incurious. Most people are too cowardly to come to their own conclusion and are only comfortable accepting an "authorities" stated conclusion. Their reasoning is "not everybody can be lying" - well, when you exist in a society that doesn't really have a free press and censors dissenters, the only people you hear from are those that are vetted by unknown groups.
I remember thinking Edward Bernays was full of shit, and was some antiquated idiot pop psychologist that just tapped into the stupidity of people of the 1950's. Nope. He just recognized people are a lot dumber than I did. But I wouldn't say they were stupid (he did!) they are naive and gullible.
I think so too.
The proliferation of masks in public parks astounds me. The mandate says wear a mask when you can't maintain social distance. I went for my morning walk with my wife down to the Marina and back a little late this morning and the Sunday crowd was out. Most were straight up masked. A couple were wearing neck gaiters, scarves or some other, violating mandate, one layer garment. Some had their masks down but put them on when anyone came within 20ft.
I'll give them their distance but I will only wear a mask when I have to buy food.
Me too.
I'm supposedly in the smartest place in the nation, Silly Con Valley. Smart == compliant apparently. I'm shocked that I can't talk to colleagues about math and statistics and am entirely unable to get them to see my point of view. These people have as much education as I do in hard science.
It's not just about sars-cov2-19, but the last "election", economics, the national debt, historical means ratios, blah blah blah. All of society is insane, but it reverts to the mean, and I think we're reverting to the mean and this pandemic is cover for it. I expect most of the nation to be impoverished within 5 years. We are in the biggest bubble in human history, and it's worldwide.
Normally our rulers take us to some catastrophe to explain away their fiscal malfeasance to make a culprit to explain away the disaster. Well, better a fake pandemic instead of a bullshit war.
I’m not some crazed Covid Karen. I haven’t used a sick day at work since February...I go in every day. I’ve been to Las Vegas 3 times since July. I don’t wear a mask outdoors.
But I’m also not going to invent vaccine side effects in my head just cause I wanna conspiracy theory.
If I get Covid, it’s still only a small chance I croak, but much greater than 1 in a thousand. At this point there’s no reason for me not to take the vaccine. Those advocating not taking it in this thread have thus far only proven themselves to be the opposite but equals of the Covid Karens....that is over panicked about things that aren’t backed by a science and medicine.
You might not be able to have babies.
I think the immediate and long term unknown dangers of an untested new vaccine are far greater than the "protection" it offers against a new cold.
If people like Gates and Fauci weren't all for it I might be more interested, but probably not.
You think, conspiracy theory, et al.
If you want to convince me you will need to do much much more.
Lol I’d be pissed severely if I had a kid at my age. I’m working on retirement in 7-10 years and planning how to arrange for someone to take care of our dogs when we travel. Sterilization as a side effect would be much welcome.
Your body your choice.
My body my choice. I'm going sailing.
Good Day.
I don't think it's a conspiracy. Don't think most here do. You or I simply don't know if there are long term side effects. There's science behind it, but no long term data on what it does to you potentially. I mean asbestos and lead was used in everything forever with knowledge of the danger.
I'm not anti-vax, but I'm not rushing to get it for a cold and maybe a minor flu bug. Remember almost everyone who has gotten it is just on round one and needs the follow up shot. We really have no clue what it "could" do to people.
Also, almost all deaths are in people that had co morbidities that were close to killing them without getting the virus. Age is also a bigger factor. If you're under 70, I really wouldn't even worry about Covid. The "science" has been miserably wrong with regards to Covid. We didn't need masks, now we do. When we comply cases shoot through the roof.
Richwicks says it best, it's like people don't want to read statistics. If you can do basic math and understand basic demographics, this whole thing is a nothing burger. No saying you don't or not to be concerned, but it really won't do anything to you if you don't get the vax for 99% of people.