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Most likely you pay taxes.
I am not ready to pick up your tab.. You must stay to share the deadbeat burden.. Don't be chicken.

It’s true I pay California taxes, but Gavin can kiss my ass in 2021.
I’m not paying for health care for the illegals from Mexico and various bums, goldbrick government workers pensions, etc.

clambo says

It’s true I pay California taxes, but Gavin can kiss my ass in 2021.
I’m not paying for health care for the illegals from Mexico and various bums, goldbrick government workers pensions, etc.

Looks like you are not fond of communist camaraderie.
Need to be sent to "reeducation camps" to fix hardware and software of your brain.
You must surrender.

You can run but can't hide. We are going to "dominonate" you everywhere in world. "sickle and hammer"

I'd make a road trip out of it.

I might have to make it a road trip after all.

I have heard about the California exodus since a decade. I wish it were true....traffic can be bad in some areas.

G36 says

I have heard about the California exodus since a decade. I wish it were true....traffic can be bad in some areas.

It is true - the only people replenishing the exodus somewhat are illegals. Traffic is congested because caltrans and esp. the bay area are inept to build tough and spacious roads. and public transportation. Caltrain is a 3rd world shithole train, in fact trains in most 2nd and 3rd world countries are better. CA is still beautiful but dead by a thousand taxes and corruption. On the upside a lot of douches leave as well. But until they run the corrupt leftoids out of town CA won't recover, maybe there will be some red or "pseudo-blue" (such as wine country) enclaves doing fine but that's about it.

G36 says

I have heard about the California exodus since a decade. I wish it were true....traffic can be bad in some areas.

California growth rate has slowed down significantly. I think native born are leaving californium for good.
I hope their are 3-4 competitors of media tech companies based out of cheaper locales.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/12/17/why-los-angeles-is-in-trouble--average-pay-for-20000-highly-compensated-city-employees-nears-150000/?sh=50359a647333

Got to keep overpaying the parasites.

election2020 says

G36 says

I have heard about the California exodus since a decade. I wish it were true....traffic can be bad in some areas.

California growth rate has slowed down significantly.

If we see more large companies leave (Tesla>Texas), then maybe it finally makes more people move out of California as well.
Traffic died down during March....not for long though. Its all back to normal.
Middle income people find ways to make it work for them here.....Walked my dog this morning and met an older lady and her daughter that just moved into a house down the street. The younger couple (+dog&kid) are going to live with the older parents in the same house.

A no-go for me but thats how some adults live nowadays and are able to afford a shared home. Most likely, they could have bought their own nice house in AZ, UT, ID, TX. I know plenty of my cousins (adults) that live in mom & dad's hotel. Funny thing is, most of those are hardcore libtards.

Only people staying in CA are people that have never known anything else, you know the kind we all had that friend that never really left his town or block for that matter. Or just strait up government parasites and welfare parasites.

I think one of the reasons we are seeing so many now is due to the accelerated decline its much more in people faces and gone are the days of slow boiling frogs.

This just arrived to my cell phone.
God, I need to GTFOH

Yup, I got this ^^^ notice too. I keep finding excuses to stay on at work. Last October (2 months ago) I figured I might as well stay until January since we got a whole paid week off for the week of Thanksgiving and another whole week for Christmas. (Ummmm... whatever they call "Christmas" nowadays.)

I don't think the bay area will empty out unless the big companies leave. For every person fleeing the state, there are 2 or 3 H1Bs coming in. If you're from a big city in India or China, silicon valley looks practically empty; we could quadruple the quantity of people.

clambo says

I might have to make it a road trip after all.

Why not? They say life’s a Journey not a destination. With you all retired and shit, you have no deadlines so can drive at whatever pace suits you and stop wherever you want. And you never know who you’ll meet along the way. Pick up a hot hitchhiker and introduce her to 70s rules! I’ve had some of my best times on the road.

SunnyvaleCA says

quadruple the quantity of people.

that is quite possible with reversal of Trump policies.

California is like meteor hitting a huge pile of shit and splattering it all over the rest of the country.

Like I said, you now have to compete to leave the place with the confiscators of the Great Socialist Paradise in your tail wind.

So you’re saying now might be a good time to get into the Hot Shot Trucking Biz??? I’ve got a Duramax that I could use, just need to get my license for it....

What happened to all those driverless trucks. Cant they move cars?

RC2006 says

Only people staying in CA are people that have never known anything else, you know the kind we all had that friend that never really left his town or block for that matter.

Yep. I'm one of those. Most of my homies have left the Bay Area over the decades, replaced/displaced by H-1's from rich Asian families. Most of the migration has been to outlying areas, sort of an arc extending from Santa Rosa to Yuba City to Folsom to Stockton to Fresno. Others to Oregon, Reno area, Phoenix area. One each near to family in Atlanta and Houston. Those latter two, both African Americans. Yeah yeah, I know: eubonics and street violence blah blah. For every one of those you guys complain about, there's scores of everyday workaday blacks who work hard and achieve, adding much to our state. And like with the other races, getting pushed out of coastal California by H1's from rich families and illegals.

SunnyvaleCA says

For every person fleeing the state, there are 2 or 3 H1Bs coming in. If you're from a big city in India or China, silicon valley looks practically empty; we could quadruple the quantity of people.

Both of the comments I quoted have been true at the same time.

Someone remarked on a different thread that it won't make sense for the big companies to put their H-1's here. I agree with that also.

The H-1's covet to live in the ethnic enclaves earlier H-1's created here on the Left Coast, which compared to where they came from are the Wide Open Spaces at Bargain Prices. But they covet the H1 more than the Bay Area (or Vancouver/L.A./Seattle) address. They will follow the H-1 hiring trend for new hires, likely to be increasingly outside of California.

Smaller companies still here in the Bay Area mostly don't have the resources to sponsor H1's.

On a related topic, I've lived in working class blue collar neighborhoods in SJ my whole life. The kinds of neighborhoods that used to be full of kids. Even when my kids were kids, 20-30 years ago. Most of these neighborhoods have emptied out of children.

We're doomed.

I'm still here in NorCal because I can play golf in December (and January, and February) in a sweater. And don't tell me I can do that in Florida, because in the summer the humidity is like 100% and that's a non-starter. If you can give me another location with a similar Mediterranean climate in the Continental USA with lower cost of living, I'm listening.

Shaman, I like your concept.
70s ethic for female hitchhiker: "gas, grass or ass; nobody rides for free."
I'll have to get some warm stuff at Goodwill if I do drive.
Rocket Joe is correct, California has a superior climate.
When it starts to rain heavily (summer), I will go to Baja Sur Mexico for the nicer weather.
I was not going to be in N. California for a few months each winter either way, so it's okay.
I complained to a female in Florida how the rain will drive me nuts; she said she would help me forget the weather.

rocketjoe79 says

I'm still here in NorCal because I can play golf in December (and January, and February) in a sweater.

Yep. You and a couple of my homies in their mid-to-late 50's who haven't left yet.

Who's going to replace you?

RC2006 says

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/12/17/why-los-angeles-is-in-trouble--average-pay-for-20000-highly-compensated-city-employees-nears-150000/?sh=50359a647333

Got to keep overpaying the parasites.

That's ridiculous. "Public servants" shouldn't suffer, but there is no excuse for these leaches making these obscene amounts.

Wait, there's another state in the US with summer weather all year long, access to the ocean, and NO state taxes or plandemic panic!?

I have relatives in Florida. Outside of the cities you get a sense of some really nice southern country charm, even in Florida. Enjoy man!

Road Trip! Road Trip! Road Trip!

CA exodus is always fun to chat about and slap hi fives with friends

But the truth is it’s beyond desirable of a place to live and home prices are and will continue to go up.

BayArea says

CA exodus is always fun to chat about and slap hi fives with friends

But the truth is it’s beyond desirable of a place to live and home prices are and will continue to go up.

exactly

B.A.C.A.H. says

there's scores of everyday workaday blacks who work hard and achieve, adding much to our state

I always think about how embarrassing Black Urban Culture and Black Victimology must be to these folks. To bad there is no avenue for them to speak up without being tarred and silenced with "UNCLE TOM!" and COON!" I think it must be an impossible situation, because you really don't hear a peep out of them.

BayArea says

But the truth is it’s beyond desirable of a place to live a

What might change that is Fire and Smoke Season lasting 6 months or more. Months of smoke is what has me looking at the map.

Bay Area is correct that California is superior.
“Home prices” going up is a bit meaningless because all of my friends in California can’t figure out how to get their hands on the equity in their place.
ONE guy did in San Diego; he rents out his place near la Jolla and lives with his (hagged out) girlfriend in the hills east of San Diego somewhere. It’s hotter than hades there in the warm months.

clambo says

all of my friends in California can’t figure out how to get their hands on the equity in their place

Yep. "House poor".

All that money spent over the years in interest payments and property taxes, to say nothing of the principal amount, are not available for childcare or tuition or retirement savings/investing or hobbies or travel or toys. Because of the horrible traffic and congestion transportation costs are higher here. This is changing with the work from home trend. But for those who must work at a workplace commuting is necessary. The higher transportation cost is actually a part of their housing cost, but they won't see it that way.
It's a Hamster Wheel life.

You used to be able to deduct a lot of your housing expense from your federally taxable income. ®ealtors told me how savvy it is, to have the interest payments and property taxes deducted from income.

BayArea says

CA exodus is always fun to chat about and slap hi fives with friends

But the truth is it’s beyond desirable of a place to live and home prices are and will continue to go up.

What's left is climate and nature in most of CA. There used to be so much more. Prices are distorted due to prop 13 and too many Chinese and Indians and Illegals and yet stalling or falling. It's always a special place but will continue to decline under leftoids. Napa is still nice. Maybe there will be a reset for the better.

Robert Sproul says

What might change that is Fire and Smoke Season lasting 6 months or more. Months of smoke is what has me looking at the map.

Not going to happen. These major fires burn all the fuel. You can't burn an already burned forest. 2 months of smoke max.

mell says

BayArea says

C

But the truth is it’s beyond desirable of a place to live and home prices are and will continue to go up.

What's left is climate and nature in most of CA.

We are going back to AZ soon. It was nice in AZ during our vacation in December (5300 ft elevation, lots of trails, lakes, lots to see). We took the dog out in the morning (below 20degrees) and had a blast.
On our way back we both agreed to be happy to pay the sunshine tax. I ride my MTB wearing short sleeves pretty much all year long here in CA.

G36 says

mell says

BayArea says

C

But the truth is it’s beyond desirable of a place to live and home prices are and will continue to go up.

What's left is climate and nature in most of CA.

We are going back to AZ soon. It was nice in AZ during our vacation in December (5300 ft elevation, lots of trails, lakes, lots to see). We took the dog out in the morning (below 20degrees) and had a blast.
On our way back we both agreed to be happy to pay the sunshine tax. I ride my MTB wearing short sleeves pretty much all year long here in CA.

Climate is hard to beat for sure. AZ has nice areas, Flagstaff is awesome, Scottsdale decent as well. Phoenix area is good for a fall to spring place.

I heard pine, strawberry, Payson are hot markets. Lots of Californians moving there. Never been there but heard its really nice.

I like AZ a lot....met tons of nice people there and almost no Libtards. Thinking of buying an investment property in AZ.

Robert Sproul says

B.A.C.A.H. says

there's scores of everyday workaday blacks who work hard and achieve, adding much to our state

I always think about how embarrassing Black Urban Culture and Black Victimology must be to these folks. To bad there is no avenue for them to speak up without being tarred and silenced with "UNCLE TOM!" and COON!" I think it must be an impossible situation, because you really don't hear a peep out of them.

I think it’s even more complex than that. A black man has a permanent stigma of association over his head with toxic black culture that the whole fucking world knows about thanks to Hollywood. Makes it harder to feel comfortable around people of other races, especially when you’re in the extreme minority. And people who make you feel comfortable are people you’re going to want to stick up for especially when it appears that other people dislike your kind. I think that’s why we have successful black people supporting ridiculously biased and unproductive causes like BLM style socialism and victim studies and defund the police. I suppose a few unwarranted stops with some harassment built in would be enough to sour most people towards the boys in blue.

I feel for the situation that good black people find themselves. Doesn’t make me want to say that all Black Lives Matter tho. I can’t say that about any race.

Onvacation says

These major fires burn all the fuel

Ha! That is hilarious. Get out and look around: not even close.

Shaman says

A black man has a permanent stigma of association over his head with toxic black culture that the whole fucking world knows about thanks to Hollywood. Makes it harder to feel comfortable around people of other races

Are you black?

You sure seem to know a lot about how a black person thinks.

Some black/white talk is overly stupid on this site.
Blacks were unfairly treated and brought to US/other places by whites,arabs,"other blacks" and they have every right to call on this "crimes committed on them".

Anybody white or otherwise who don't recognize the "genocide/slavery" has no right to comment on morality.
Having said that, Things are much better now and targeting "random white guy" for crimes of others also have morality deficit.

The biggest problem is not racism in this country but foreign interference by CCP.
Filthy communists want people to fight each other and adopt some perverse culture which weaken the moral underpinnings of our citizens and create power vaccum, so that we fall to communism.

Blacks/Browns/Sikhs can go to China and taste some "non racist society" if they feel CCP will give them better deal.