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10   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 9, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

SunnyvaleCA says
Then all the ballot box stuffing in one state will affect the other states, as they will be crowded out.


So? That's like saying ANY votes in ANY state affect the other states. Obviously they do when the total outcome is done. But it doesn't effect what happens with voting within states, which is the argument they are pitching.
11   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 9, 11:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
SunnyvaleCA says
Then all the ballot box stuffing in one state will affect the other states, as they will be crowded out.


So? That's like saying ANY votes in ANY state affect the other states. Obviously they do when the total outcome is done. But it doesn't effect what happens with voting within states, which is the argument they are pitching.


The most populous states can simply mandate that it is mandatory to vote. These same states can simply ignore the actual vote and lie about the actual results and pass that on as "legitimate". Then you have a few oligarchs in California, Texas, New York, and Florida determining the election.

I'm certain you're thinking that's impossible. Really? We are undergoing a coup d'état. Who imagined that 20 years ago that there would be a push to accept transgendered children? Constitution has protected us, and our nation for nearly 250 years. We've had our rough times to be certain, but if we just allow blatant criminality, the only way to get out of it, is a bloody civil war.
12   Allin   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 9, 11:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

States are required by the Constitution to appoint electors according to rules that the State Legislatures pass into law. The assertion is that the Defendant States violated the US constitution by changing the voting rules without the approval of the Legislature. It does seem tenuous that a State might have standing but I would think the presidential candidate should most certainly have standing. I would think that it would be the current president’s job to enforce the Constitution in this case.
13   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 10, 12:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This lady demonstrates how Dominion machines can be defrauded at the operator level. Counts ballots twice without the machine stopping anything. In another, she shows how she can change votes right on the touch screen.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1277910/pg1
14   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 10, 6:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

That's not a flaw, it's a feature of Dominion software.
15   ThatGuy   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 10, 10:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Ceffer says
This lady demonstrates how Dominion machines can be defrauded at the operator level. Counts ballots twice without the machine stopping anything. In another, she shows how she can change votes right on the touch screen.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1277910/pg1
16   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 10, 12:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
When it gets up to 45 states, twenty African nations, Australia, India, Pakistan, Russia, Ukraine, the Balkan States, Poland, Mexico, Central America, five South American countries, and at least 500 parliamentary and ruling body political leaders, then SCOTUS might deign to hear it.

45 is not enough, need at least 51 states for looking into election fraud.
17   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 10, 2:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

45 is not enough, need at least 51 states for looking into election fraud.

and that vote itself will be tallied using Dominion machines....
18   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 10, 2:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Dbr6 says
Ceffer says
When it gets up to 45 states, twenty African nations, Australia, India, Pakistan, Russia, Ukraine, the Balkan States, Poland, Mexico, Central America, five South American countries, and at least 500 parliamentary and ruling body political leaders, then SCOTUS might deign to hear it.

45 is not enough, need at least 51 states for looking into election fraud.

Puerto Rico Statehood!
19   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 10, 4:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

LOL! Somebody says Pennsylvania is joining the Texas lawsuit against itself. I wonder if that is true. Probably the cowardly legislature wants to pass the buck?
20   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 10, 5:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
LOL! Somebody says Pennsylvania is joining the Texas lawsuit against itself. I wonder if that is true. Probably the cowardly legislature wants to pass the buck?


Not true. The AG is a Democrat and he is mouthing the usual bullshit yarn about there not being any voting fraud, etc.
21   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 10, 5:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I guess it was Penn Speaker of the House Brian Cutler and House Majority Leader, not the Penn AG. I wonder how that works.
22   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 10, 5:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Is PA in lockdown again?
23   Booger   ignore (7)   2020 Dec 10, 5:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
LOL! Somebody says Pennsylvania is joining the Texas lawsuit against itself. I wonder if that is true. Probably the cowardly legislature wants to pass the buck?


https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/pennsylvania-house-leaders-file-brief-to-support-texas-in-supreme-court-lawsuit-against-pennsylvania.html/
24   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 10, 5:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think Trump even if he prevails to swearing in may have to invoke the Insurrection Act at least in limited form. Too many do nothing or KommieKunt AG's, judges, mayors, Governors, Secretary of States and seditionists to be handled, too much destruction already to fabric of the country.
25   WillPowers   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 10, 5:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Airing now: Timcast IRL - TWENTY States File AGAINST Texas, Matt Braynard Joins Discussing Voter Fraud

26   WillPowers   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 10, 5:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Texas is threatening to succeed from the union.
27   farmer2021   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 10, 6:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
I think Trump even if he prevails to swearing in may have to invoke the Insurrection Act at least in limited form. Too many do nothing or KommieKunt AG's, judges, mayors, Governors, Secretary of States and seditionists to be handled, too much destruction already to fabric of the country.


https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1337208787166380032

https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1337196173581377540

https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1337187113264062470

I am not sure who this guy is and How he know the info. He is alluding that governors of various state may be in "honey or money trap" of China and that is the reason of not joining case for Trump.

If true, Our politicians are selling our future to CCP and china has tentacles everywhere in our Government.
Sorry state.. Banana republic.
28   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 10, 6:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WillPowers says
Texas is threatening to succeed from the union.

I don't think so...may be someone in TX is but likely he is not anyone with any political standing.
29   astronut97   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 10, 6:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThatGuy says
Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Ceffer says
This lady demonstrates how Dominion machines can be defrauded at the operator level. Counts ballots twice without the machine stopping anything. In another, she shows how she can change votes right on the touch screen.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1277910/pg1

Yeah, you forgot to mention the paper ballots that are stored away and can and have been recounted multiple times. Give it up, Trump was beaten fair and square.
30   astronut97   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 10, 6:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WillPowers says
Texas is threatening to succeed from the union.
Yeah, not going to happen as it didn't work the last time it was tried either at least on planet Earth. Not sure what planet you are on?
31   mell   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 10, 6:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

astronut97 says
WillPowers says
Texas is threatening to succeed from the union.
Yeah, not going to happen as it didn't work the last time it was tried either at least on planet Earth. Not sure what planet you are on?


I'm not sure it would pass but if it did who is going to stop them. Basement bi-den? lol
32   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 10, 6:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Dbr6 says
WillPowers says
Texas is threatening to succeed from the union.

I don't think so...may be someone in TX is but likely he is not anyone with any political standing.


GW Bush won again after starting a war to please the Saudis who murdered so many Americans, I complained on patrick.net and got an email from a guy in Texas who suggested that both California and Texas should secede. Each could then live more as they wanted to.

What I'd really like though is a recovery of California by sane people. It could really be a great place except for the people in charge.
33   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 10, 6:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WillPowers says
Texas is threatening to succeed from the union.


What a bunch of crap. Texas never had any right to secede from the Union. They didn't join the Union by treaty despite their claims otherwise. Oh, they stupidly signed one but Congress never ratified it. They joined the regular way. And even if they had joined by treaty...that was for the FIRST time. The second time was when they were re-admitted after the Civil War. And that was by the normal process as well.
34   Rin   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 10, 6:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
What a bunch of crap. Texas never had any right to secede from the Union.


Vermont was the first nation-state, not among the 1st 13 colonies, long before Texas.

35   farmer2021   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 10, 7:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Nobody is seceding , we are succeeding together.
This lefty bull shit is temporary stuff. Everyone normal wants a good life of freedom,opportunity,family and happiness.
As I said before we are not "extreme" country. We are center right country.

In one sense ANTIFA is great thing to have happened to US. It will open the eyes of many drifting towards leftism.. May be like "Summer of Love".
36   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 10, 7:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Rin says
Vermont was the first nation-state, not among the 1st 13 colonies, long before Texas.


What does that have to do with Texas having some sort of right to secede?
38   Reality   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 10, 7:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
So? Other states have no say in how another state follows its own rules. Period. They are not impacted. It's like claiming one has standing to bring suit about what your neighbor's do in their own homes that does not impact whether or not you do the same thing in our own damn home.


Well, if you live in a condominium building, the neighbors do have a right in preventing you from setting your own unit on fire, which could consume the entire building. Likewise for pollution and hazardous material handling that might have severe impact on neighbors even if you own your own piece of land (e.g. river, ground water or wind might bring the pollution/hazard to them).

Regarding national election, the federal government has been intervening in states for federal elections for at least a century and half: let's not forget the voting rights acts, equal protection clause, or the amendaments enabling blacks, women and people under 25 to vote. An argument might be made that a state can select its own governor by lottery instead of election, but it can not do the same for POTUS election.
39   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 10, 7:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Reality says
Well, if you live in a condominium building, the neighbors do have a right in preventing you from setting your own unit on fire, which could consume the entire building.


No fire has been set as per your analogy.

Because nothing going on in PA that affects the selection of Electors in that state impacts the selection of Electors in Texas. Nor could it. Thus Texas has no standing in anything involving what happens in other states.

Reality says
, the federal government has been intervening in states for federal elections for at least a century and half: let's not forget the voting rights acts, equal protection clause, or the amendaments enabling blacks, women and people under 25 to vote


Yes. But States do not. Not in the elections of other states. Nor in how the Electors are chosen in other states. Thus ONLY if PA directly interfered in the selection of Texas Electors would Texas have any standing. That didn't happen as far as I know.

Reality says
An argument might be made that a state can select its own governor by lottery instead of election, but it can not do the same for POTUS electino


No such argument can be made. The state legislature can do exactly that in selecting the Electors voting for POTUS if it wants to. There is ZERO Constitutional requirement for it being done by an election of voters.

You all keep getting confused as to what is constitutional/legal regarding state/local elections, elections for federal Reps and Senators and how the POTUS is elected. That's your problem right there. EACH type of elections are covered under different sections of the Constitution and federal and state law and in different ways.
40   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 10, 8:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://aclj.org/election-law/radio-recap-breaking-scotus-orders-response-to-texas-lawsuit

SCOTUS gives states posting fraudulent results til 3pm tomorrow to respond.
41   Reality   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 11, 6:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
No fire has been set as per your analogy.

Because nothing going on in PA that affects the selection of Electors in that state impacts the selection of Electors in Texas. Nor could it. Thus Texas has no standing in anything involving what happens in other states.


The fire is in the election outcome, which has effect on Texas (and many other states).


No such argument can be made. The state legislature can do exactly that in selecting the Electors voting for POTUS if it wants to. There is ZERO Constitutional requirement for it being done by an election of voters.


Incorrect. Please read 14th Amendament, Section 2. A state adopting lottery instead of letting citizens vote in selecting POTUS would result in the state's electoral college vote being reduced to Zero; the only allowed exception for excluding citizens (of requisite age) from voting is "for participation in rebellion, or other crime"
42   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 11, 8:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Reality says
Incorrect. Please read 14th Amendament, Section 2. A state adopting lottery instead of letting citizens vote in selecting POTUS would result in the state's electoral college vote being reduced to Zero; the only allowed exception for excluding citizens (of requisite age) from voting is "for participation in rebellion, or other crime"


God just post it

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
43   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Dec 11, 10:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I've heard the number of States were up to 22 as of late last night.
44   Rin   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 11, 11:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
Rin says
Vermont was the first nation-state, not among the 1st 13 colonies, long before Texas.


What does that have to do with Texas having some sort of right to secede?


Nothing, it's just that there are Vermonters today who're arguing for a 2nd Vermont Republic.
45   bdrasin   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 11, 4:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Looks like the RINO NeverTrump SCOTUS, including all 3 justices appointed by cheeto jesus himself, just told T & co to go fuck themselves
46   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 11, 4:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Well whaddya know? SCOTUS declares that Texas has no standing in their case.

Gee! Who predicted that?

The court, in a brief unsigned order, said Texas lacked standing to pursue the case, saying it “has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections.”


Yo @Reality! Looks like your condo building didn't burn down after all.
47   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Jan 27, 2:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

bdrasin says
Looks like the RINO NeverTrump SCOTUS, including all 3 justices appointed by cheeto jesus himself, just told T & co to go fuck themselves


Hey - how are you feeling out President Dementia Patient now? Trump wasn't perfect but.. yesssh!

In the next 4 years a bunch of people are going to discover the difference between a president they don't like and a president that doesn't like them.
48   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Jan 27, 2:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

40 EOs? The most of any recent POTUS in history was 4 or 5. They are trying to put the country on rapid flush.
49   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2021 Jan 28, 5:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
bdrasin says
Looks like the RINO NeverTrump SCOTUS, including all 3 justices appointed by cheeto jesus himself, just told T & co to go fuck themselves


Hey - how are you feeling out President Dementia Patient now? Trump wasn't perfect but.. yesssh!

In the next 4 years a bunch of people are going to discover the difference between a president they don't like and a president that doesn't like them.


Good luck getting a response from that account. Dormant since 2016, popped up for a few comments on early December, and then silent since then.

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