2020 Nov 28, 5:21am
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Iran: paving the way for full (albeit short lived) employment for nuclear scientists.
This doesn't allow them to actually USE a bomb of course, because it's mutually assured destruction. However, if they are destroyed, they can retaliate.
I think it’s a spy thing for him. He considers spying immoral
mostly reader saysI never saw you expressing same emotions over, say, Russian agencies as you do here, or as you do towards US agencies. Curious: did I just not see it, or is it primarily a US/Israel thing for you?How long of an explanation do you want?I know the West best, because it directly affects me.When's the last time Russia ACTUALLY had an effect on the United States? The bullshit lie over "Russian Collusion" that never happened?
I never saw you expressing same emotions over, say, Russian agencies as you do here, or as you do towards US agencies. Curious: did I just not see it, or is it primarily a US/Israel thing for you?
However, Russia apparently gets a pass and it now became about what affects you.
I'm not buying it because Israel is not your backyard either, and it doesn't affect you either
Yet you seem to have strong feelings towards Israel, unlike towards Russia.
So strong that you'd rather have Iran move on with their nuclear program. Your comment implies as much.
Yeah, Duh. Obviously. I'm supposed to worry about another country's scumbag intelligence agencies? Why? I can't do anything about it, and it doesn't affect me. That's a problem for Russian citizens.
Oh but it does. Remember the Niger yellowcake documents? That was a forgery was created by Israel. You know PART of the reason the US is bombing Syria? Israel wants the Golan Heights - but also the oil there, the US wants that. AIPAC practically dictates our foreign policy, and has for 3 decades.
Somehow "Russia is a problem" has been planted in your mind.
Golan Heights - but also the oil there, the US wants that.
Huh? US is fucking swimming in our own fucking oil. We don't want any mysterios "Golan Heights oil"
I'd use U238 even though it's less stable but it's easy to refine.
The US isn't mining oil from Syria because WE need the oil, it's because a bunch of bastards wants to sell it to Europe and weaken Russia's economy by restricting their ability to sell energy.
If Obama wanted to "weaken Russia by selling oil to Europe" why the fuck was he blocking pipelines which were being built to bring American and Canadian oil to the Gulf ports which would increase our oil exports?
PS. Obama was the guy who said to Medvedev "tell Vladimir (Putin) that I'm going to be more flexible wrt Russia in my 2nd term".
Obama has fucking invited fucking Putin to fucking Syria.
The guy who approved "Reset" right after Putin invaded Georgia.
richwicks saysI'd use U238 even though it's less stable but it's easy to refine.good luck making nuke with U238
Yet if you absolutely, positively insist on looking backwards, and backwards only, there's news for you there too. Do you really think that North Korea developed nuclear weapons on their own, or do you know the extent to which Russia helped them?
My point was that you give Russia pass but you don't do the same for others. So far your explanations suffers from insufficient information on one hand, and from a poorly thought-out, full of loose ends theory on the other. Building worldview on niche theories in addition to unambiguous facts may be ok if you can make it work, but building worldview on niche theories in lieu of unambiguous facts should be a non-starter.
richwicks saysWho CARES?Apparently Hawaii cares. That missile alert in 2018 scared bejesus out of them.May be it's just Hawaii. May be if the alert was issued to California, those tough Californians would've just shaken it off like it's nothing.
Thing is - that alert was taken seriously. The "who cares" question is invalidated right there. Whereas news about missiles coming from Israel to US would've been met with laughter. That's the difference between the two.
As for the role of Russia, there was no role of Russia in that North Korean situation. It has nothing to do with it and therefore no fear of retaliation in case that alert is not fake. Win-win, only possible in a proxy war!
Proxy wars are Russia's signature move. You mentioned S. Ossetia, but offered an incomplete picture. Ask yourself: why would Saakashvili start a war with such an obvious end result? It was clear that the war would be against Russia, and it was clear that Georgians couldn't match Russian army. He was probably hoping for help from the West (which never arrived), but why start a war with such long odds in the first place? Was he completely out of his mind? Answer: because it wasn't a start of the war. For a while, S. Ossetia was under Russian zone of influence. For a while, there were attacks and provocation from S. Ossetia towards Georgia. For a while, there were local conflicts that were just a bit shy of being classified as "war". Now, here's a kicker: every Georgian with whom I spoke about it, told me the same thing: that it was common knowledge that in those local conflicts they weren't fighting Ossetians, they were fighting Russian army. Plenty of ways to tell, from equipment to the way it's organized and then to language. All that was going on for years prior to the attack on Ckhinval, and got to the point that Georgia had to take chances to put a stop to this.
To be clear: I'm not judging who's in the right and who's in the wrong there. I'm pointing out that the situation in S. Ossetia was very far from the trivialized version that you offer (Saakhashvili was bad, Ossetia asked for help, Russia was good and helped and won the war in 1 day) and that there was a Russia-led hybrid war going on for years prior to that.
Before S. Ossetia there was Transnistria War (between Moldova and Russian proxy, the self-proclaimed Dnestr Republic).
Then there was Ukraine, still is.
At least US has the decency to mark it's bases as such.
richwicks saysOh but it does. Remember the Niger yellowcake documents? That was a forgery was created by Israel. You know PART of the reason the US is bombing Syria? Israel wants the Golan Heights - but also the oil there, the US wants that. AIPAC practically dictates our foreign policy, and has for 3 decades.This. This, right here. Whoever told you that, find them, and beat them with a stick until they cry.Every single source that I saw making this claim boils down to the same pattern: "It was in Israel's interest to drag US into the war which is why it was Israel". But whatever they lack in quality of the argument they make up in passion.
I'm hearing rumors that Moshen Fakhrizadeh was not actually assassinated, but defected from Iran to the US. This is why Brennan is freaking out about it. This guy can rat out both him and Obama.The Iranian news is a cover-up.
Have you ever seen the bases the US has across the planet?
Because Saakashvili was a US asset, and we ordered him to. We did this during the Athens Olympics to embarrass Putin. The US did everything they could to humiliate Russia during the Sochi games as well and the world world cup.
Look, it's the US that specializes in proxy wars. The US went to Vietnam because France refused to join NATO if the US kept up their agreement with Ho Chi Minh and supported independence for Vietnam
> richwicksIt's not always obvious how your response relates to the question. Example: richwicks sayshttps://www.voltairenet.org/article164432.htmlPerhaps not.My point was that N.K. and Israel are completely different in terms of threat recognition from within US. To which you respond with an opinion of this Israeli professor and how he thinks that for it's own survival, Israel has no choice other than to transfer Arabs to outside the border.
In his view, the continued struggle of the Palestinians will inexhorably lead to the collapse of the State of Israel. Which is why Tel-Aviv has no choice but to "transfer" the Israeli Arabs and the stateless Palestinians beyond safe borders (that is, not only outside the 1948 borders but also from the 1976 occupied territories and, ideally, from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip). In the event the Europeans opposed such a transfer, in order to survive Tel Aviv will be forced to destroy the European capitals with nuclear weapons, it being understood that the Europeans will be unable to retaliate without annihilating their Palestinian friends.
As for "Russian Collusion", Russia was, and still is, actively involved in social online experiments in US, just in a different capacity. Their goal is to sow discord, and there's little doubt that they were/are quite active at it.
On your questions about Mossad: I'm not having a conversation which is built on conspiracy theories if it ignores the obvious and provable.
Why do you bring up USS Liberty? It's a known fact, classified as a mistake (friendly fire), Israel was apologetic ever since, and paid around $70mil in today dollars in retributions. What now? Shit happens. This shit happened over 50 years ago.
Why do you bring up 9/11? Entire world knows how Israel reacted to it, and how Arab world reacted to it.
DA JOOS!!! They can't settle on a government these past 3 years with vicious infighting between Gantz and Bibi and the third parties, but they are lockstep, secretive, and absolutely implacable on Der Zionische Plotten to Taken Overzee Vorld.
Also the Liberty was 100s of miles off course, did not receive messages (the 6th Fleet completely revamped their comms in the following months), and was a "Liberty Ship", a mass produced WW2 Cargo Vessel produced in the hundreds
That's not what I was referring to
Why would Russia do this? They're ridiculously ineffective at it.
Meanwhile you have a bunch of illegal immigrant Israelis who have come to NYC of all places. to work as "movers".
It wasn't a mistake. It was a false flag to provide an excuse that Lyndon B. Johnson needed to go to war with Egypt. The plan was to sink the ship, kill everybody on board, and then say Egypt did it.
You do understand that such a plan would hinge on leaving no survivors, right? Do you know the likelihood of leaving no survivors in such an attack with the number of people onboard in those conditions? Not sure how close to 0 it is, but certainly too low to be a part of an operation. All the while the failure would mean a disaster which would be remembered in ages, which was in fact the aftermath of the incident.
I'm not a mind reader to answer the "why" question, but Troll Factory is a fact. Titled "Internet Research Agency", located in a suburb of St. Petersburg (Olgino) in the past, not sure of it's whereabouts and status today. I'd say that they were quite effective.
So what? What's wrong with NYC and why is "movers" quoted?
I kinda expected the 9/11 conspiracy theory, and expected it to be good in a bizarre kind of way (it is). I didn't see it coming that USS Liberty would be such a close competitor.
Only a complete imbecile would sign up for such a plan. That's how your theory paints both LBJ and Israelis.
Your really need to develop some healthy criticism for conspiracy theories, no matter how well they fit your worldview.
Oh give me an example?
Are you kidding? The most blatant obvious false flags take place, and it's IMPOSSIBLE to convince people.
richwicks saysOh give me an example?Give you an example of what? I gave you the name (Internet Research Agency), city (Olgino), and agenda (to sow discord) Have your search produced nothing, or have you not done any?
richwicks saysAre you kidding? The most blatant obvious false flags take place, and it's IMPOSSIBLE to convince people.That's because your explanation is anything but convincing. There's faith but there's no evidence.
What's usually cited as evidence - accounts of survivors - is meaningless because those on the receiving end of the attack are in no better position to know it's true motives than a casual observer.
Also, you refuse to see gaps in that reasoning. If USS Liberty were a false flag operation (it wasn't), it would've been a very poorly thought out one.
The pilots and PT boats had no idea who the boat belonged to, other than it was so close to the warzone is was mere miles off the Sinai Penninsula. The instructions to the Patrol Boats was to immediately ascertain the nationality of the crew. So much for (((THEY KNEW!!!)))
Give me an example of how the "Internet Research Agency" has "sowed discord" in American society? What did they do? Did they encourage Burn Loot and Murder to burn down cities and call the people that protested this "white supremacists"? Did they inject unrelenting propaganda in our our "news"?
Give me an example of how the "Internet Research Agency" has "sowed discord" in American society? What did they do? Did they encourage Burn Loot and Murder to burn down cities and call the people that protested this "white supremacists"? Did they inject unrelenting propaganda in our our "news"?Their typical "casual" strategy was to take radical points of view, often opposing, and stir shit in online space. Sometimes there would be a specific task at hand and it would shift away from that "casual" MO. For example, the MH-17 incident required immediate online domination in order to stir away public opinion, which was attempted by throwing a lot of shitty versions on the fan and an army of trolls demanding that each one is considered. "Air controller Carlos", "They targeted Putin", "There was a bomb aboard", "It was shot down by Ukrainian fighter", "The pilot confessed", "They filled the plane with dead bodies", etc, etc, etc. Human attention span is not that g...
If you think that "false flag" is the only reason to not have Congressional hearing, your imagination is quite unbalanced. It's wild on one end, and poor on the other.
You didn't answer my one key question about USS Liberty: If it were false flag, why did it not work out as such?
But you can't show me any concrete examples of this.
Same reason the Lavon affair didn't work - they got caught. Duh.
mostly reader saysSame reason the Lavon affair didn't work - they got caught. Duh. Ok, now it looks like you are trolling. Note that you are doing it to a person who patiently works with you through your conspiracy theory,
The people who were there, bombed, and survived, THEY believe it was a false flag attack. Who am I to disagree? You can argue it with them.
Say I'm wrong on this - so what?
You are hung up on this very specific, who gives a shit
It doesn't mean I disagree with everything that you post, but I would suggest that you are more critical of your data.
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