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"Libertarian" voters are clowns.


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2020 Nov 11, 8:39am   865 views  34 comments

by RWSGFY   ➕follow (4)   💰tip   ignore  

Change my mind.

Wisconsin:
Joe Biden(D) 1,630,570 49.57%
Donald Trump*(R) 1,610,030 48.94%
Jo Jorgensen(LIB) 38,415 1.17%

Arizona:
Joe Biden 49.4% 1,655,192
Donald Trump 49.1% 1,642,379
Jo Jorgensen Libertarian Party 1.5% 50,636


Georgia:
Joe Biden 49.5% 2,469,842
Donald Trump 49.3% 2,457,191
Jo Jorgensen Libertarian Party 1.2% 62,013

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1   RC2006   2020 Nov 11, 8:43am  

Maybe his votes are cover.
2   Tenpoundbass   2020 Nov 11, 8:44am  

How did he get on the ballots but Kanye West did not?
3   Automan Empire   2020 Nov 11, 8:57am  

As former Libertarian candidate Harry Browne was fond of saying, "The best way to throw away your vote is to give it to a candidate you don't believe in." I voted, but don't believe in Trump OR Biden/Harris.
4   theoakman   2020 Nov 11, 9:11am  

I think the Libertarian vote is important because it can force Republican candidates to adopt more libertarian views. That being said, I think Libertarians are hopelessly lost when it comes to international trade, where most seem to think as a market purist that there should be no government interference at all. That would be true, if we didn't insist on trading with nations that engage in slave labor or nations that suppress wages.
5   RWSGFY   2020 Nov 11, 9:15am  

Automan Empire says
Harry Browne was fond of saying, "The best way to throw away your vote is to give it to a candidate you don't believe in."


Jeezus H Christ! This is exactly what I'm talking about.

When the choice is between a burger and an enema, believing in fucking unicorns still gives you either a burger or an enema. You just have less say in which one you'll get.
6   joshuatrio   2020 Nov 11, 9:28am  

Nothing wrong with libertarian votes.

When Ron Paul ran, he was the only small gov, hard money candidate on the ticket. He made a helluva lot more sense than Obama, McCain or Romney.

It would be nice to break away from a two party system. Trump may be the trigger for this.
7   RWSGFY   2020 Nov 11, 9:51am  

It's posturing. Which nobody even sees. Like having a protest in your own basement.
8   HeadSet   2020 Nov 11, 10:25am  

Funny how Libertarians got on the ballot (which take from Repubs) but Greens did not (which would take from Dems).
9   mell   2020 Nov 11, 10:43am  

Nothing wrong at all with voting libertarian. Also Jo is a womynx. In fact the US would benefit from a true 3rd party culture, or an independent as strong as Ross Perot used to be. Republicans are part of the problem although Trump has changed the party enough to be somewhat viable again. The problem are establishment politicians not Libertarians. Also I doubt the Jorgensen vote took away from Republicans much and Dominion, hammer and scorecard would have done their job regardless of who was on the ballot. DT won decisively until 10pm election night when the steal was initiated.
10   mell   2020 Nov 11, 10:45am  

Even Nader was a half-way decent politician with good ideas but the establishment cancels any non-establishment candidate swiftly, that's why DT ran as a Republican not independent.
11   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 11, 10:55am  

mell says
In fact the US would benefit from a true 3rd party culture,


It won't happen. With the structure of US government as it is the field always naturally settles into 2 party system.


12   NuttBoxer   2020 Nov 11, 11:07am  

OP, you are only one person, your vote will never sway a single national election, so why are you voting, or caring who votes for whom?

Don't like that assessment? Then don't preach it by telling people their votes don't count. Either your vote counts no matter who you vote for, or it's meaningless.

The intolerance of independent thought and actions by the Left/Right is disgusting. It's topped only by their complete lack of personal morals or integrity, as they sell their souls to their Lib/Con gods, praying that in their infinite divine wisdom, these politicians will dole out to them the life they've always dreamed of. Did someone say something about unicorns..?
13   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 11, 11:11am  

NuttBoxer says
OP, you are only one person, your vote will never sway a single national election, so why are you voting, or caring who votes for whom?

Don't like that assessment? Then don't preach it by telling people their votes don't count. Either your vote counts no matter who you vote for, or it's meaningless.

The intolerance of independent thought and actions by the Left/Right is disgusting. It's topped only by their complete lack of personal morals or integrity, as they sell their souls to their Lib/Con gods, praying that in their infinite divine wisdom, these politicians will dole out to them the life they've always dreamed of. Did someone say something about unicorns..?


Yeah-yeah-yeah, single vote does't count, bla-bla-bla... but 38,415 + 50,636 + 62,013 votes of "independent thinkers" probably gave us (and them) the fucking Biden/Harris regime. Enjoy your enema.

Libertarian voters looks more like "independent non-thinkers" at this moment.
14   NuttBoxer   2020 Nov 11, 11:19am  

Eric Holder says
Yeah-yeah-yeah, single vote does't count, bla-bla-bla... but 38,415 + 50,636 + 62,013 votes of "independent thinkers" probably gave us (and them) the fucking Biden/Harris regime. Enjoy your enema.


EXCLUDING election fraud, only one of the states listed has been called. Are you in the business of allowing the media to determine your elections?

And I can tell you unequivocally that eliminating the Libertarian candidate will simply eliminate the majority of those votes. Most of us don't vote to start with. The ones who still voted, would not all vote for Trump. So you and OP have both made two false assumptions, just on this point.
15   HeadSet   2020 Nov 11, 11:22am  

Libertarians need to start winning elections at the state and local level first. Once they do that, then run for President. If a Libertarian did become President without Congressional Libertarian support, the only aspect of the Libertarian platform that would be implemented is open borders and no trade restrictions on China. The Libertarian policies on Welfare and business deregulation would be ignored. This is the worst outcome for anyone but the elite.
16   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 11, 11:24am  

Back 20 years ago when I was a die hard Libertarian, I said the same.

Establish a rep as a good caretaker of public funds and interests and freedom as a county/city councilman, then in the State House, then worry about Federal.

Also the LP had limited funds, so it was better spent concentrated on smaller, less high ticket races they could win, rather than on long shots at POTUS.
17   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 11, 11:35am  

NuttBoxer says
EXCLUDING election fraud, only one of the states listed has been called. Are you in the business of allowing the media to determine your elections?


When libertarians went to vote for their unicorn they didn't know whether there would be fraud. They had no way to predict how big or small the margin would be. All they knew is that their unicorn had no chance in hell to be elected. So fraud changes nothing. Media calls change nothing. Even if there were no fraud or media calls the point stands: having a clear choice between two very real things choosing the impossible unicorn instead just to "show them" is highly idiotic. Putting up a Jo Jorgensen (or whatsxerface) lawn sign would probably more effective in telegraphing one's libertarian leanings for the world to see then actually voting for xem. (Shit, I don't even know whether it's he or she).

18   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 11, 11:46am  

Hey, we'll get a neofeudal corporate-socialist leftist state, but at least we didn't compromise on our principles!

WHAT?! The Treasury just seized all the Buttcoin and Gold IRA accounts I had... this is tyranny! I'll go to von Mises and talk about Initiation of Forc---- what? It's seized by the FBI for hate speech. Just wait till I get home and to my gun collec- what? Why is there a white van at my house and my front door broken? They're putting all my carbines in the back of the van!
19   steverbeaver   2020 Nov 11, 11:57am  

Of the candidates I think Biden certainly is for more government intrusion into our lives. Which one would think would force them to vote Trump. However, I suspect that a lot of them were pissed off at Trump for all the crony capitalism bailouts and other fuckery (like bump stock ban), enough to protest vote. See Republicans!? The party needs to be more Goldwater, less Reagan... certainly less Bush.
This reminds me of when it was Romney vs Obama. I felt the same way- wrote in Ron Paul as an "FU" to the stupid fucking Mormon machine (Mormon republicans suck!). I was in CA at the time so it ultimately didn't matter, but it felt good to protest. Same in this case.
And yes, there was much voter fraud.
20   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 11, 11:59am  

HeadSet says
Libertarians need to start winning elections at the state and local level first.


That would require doing real work. Having a real grassroots organization. Spending real money. Apparently there is no will for that. Never was, really.
21   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 11, 12:07pm  

steverbeaver says
I was in CA at the time so it ultimately didn't matter


This is the only excuse to do it.
22   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 11, 12:08pm  

Eric Holder says
That would require doing real work. Having a real grassroots organization. Spending real money. Apparently there is no will for that. Never was, really.




The LP is functionally no different today than it was around 2000. It's the no money, no will, petty arguments on the periphery, shop for Nolan Charts to hand out, same bullshit.
23   Ceffer   2020 Nov 11, 12:11pm  

Libertarian votes in smaller voting pools that machine shifted to Biden could be useful in illustrating the fraud. Smaller pools are easier to wade in.
24   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Nov 11, 12:44pm  

In addition to voter turnout suppression, I'm guessing the fake-polls touted by the fake-news are convincing some to vote libertarian in protest of the duopoly choices. If 50% of those libertarian voters had voted Trump and 20% voted for the lying, dog-faced pony solder, Trump would have won Georgia and be extremely close in Arizona.
25   mell   2020 Nov 11, 1:16pm  

Eric Holder says
It won't happen. With the structure of US government as it is the field always naturally settles into 2 party system.


Until it happens. Well Ross Perot almost won. In any case the solution can't be forcing independents to either vote for D or R, but what you could do is change the law so there are runoffs between the 2 main contenders only if it's within the margin of independent votes.
26   RWSGFY   2020 Nov 11, 1:27pm  

mell says
Until it happens.


It won't. There might be a new party replacing one of two currently on top (like it happened in the past) but three party system - fuggedaboutit. It's structurally impossible w/o rewriting the Constitution. Good luck with that.
27   mell   2020 Nov 11, 1:37pm  

FuckCCP89 says
mell says
Until it happens.


It won't. There might be a new party replacing one of two currently on top (like it happened in the past) but three party system - fuggedaboutit. It's structurally impossible w/o rewriting the Constitution. Good luck with that.


This has been the case for other countries as well, it may not happen in the next decades but it can. Germany was always dominated by CDU and SPD (similar to Rs and Ds) with 2 smaller parties, now the SPD has declined to a level below newly emerged parties. Or maybe implementing runoffs where the 3rd partiers could decide between the 2 (or not vote at all) could improve it, that probably wouldn't requite a constitutional change as it doesn't modify the electoral system. I mean the states are already putting al kinds of stuff on the ballots, e.g. https://ballotpedia.org/Mississippi_Ballot_Measure_2,_Remove_Electoral_Vote_Requirement_and_Establish_Runoffs_for_Gubernatorial_and_State_Office_Elections_Amendment_(2020)
28   EBGuy   2020 Nov 11, 1:37pm  

For context, the Libertarians lost over 50% of their votes compared to 2016. A lot of GOP malcontents voted Libertarian in 2016 but likely came around to Trump after four years.
29   mell   2020 Nov 11, 1:38pm  

EBGuy says
For context, the Libertarians lost over 50% of their votes compared to 2016. A lot of GOP malcontents voted Libertarian in 2016 but likely came around to Trump after four years.


Right, the Libertarian vote didn't do anything this time, it was the "glitches". Some may argue that few/many independents switched to bi-den as well. Surely the percentage this time for true independent votes was too low to make any difference.
30   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 11, 2:32pm  

EBGuy says
For context, the Libertarians lost over 50% of their votes compared to 2016. A lot of GOP malcontents voted Libertarian in 2016 but likely came around to Trump after four years.



I gotta find the screenshot, it's on here somewhere - I have a screeny of Jorgenson losing almost half her vote and it going to Biden in 10 minutes. The exact time was between 12:03 and 12:13AM on Election Night (or Wednesday morning, I can already hear the pedantic wiseasses)
31   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 11, 2:36pm  

NoCoupForYou says
I gotta find the screenshot, it's on here somewhere - I have a screeny of Jorgenson losing almost half her vote and it going to Biden in 10 minutes. The exact time was between 12:03 and 12:13AM on Election Night (or Wednesday morning, I can already hear the pedantic wiseasses)


Perfect mark if you think about it. Nobody would notice, and even if they do, there is nobody to fight for it and no resources to speak of. And most of the people DGAF about somebody called Jo Jorgensen anyway (still don't know if it's he or she).
32   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 11, 2:39pm  

Gonna take 15 from my sandbagged position, have a coffee, and try to dig it out.

It'll really slap the Ja--- Drill the Shills.
33   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 11, 2:54pm  



Lefties are claiming it's DEBOONKED because Biden and Trump vote counts went up when Jorgensen's mysteriously disappeared, but of course that's because the count was still ongoing. Furthermore, it doesn't explain where Jorgensen's vote went to, or why it was cut. Again, Libertarians are scattered around a state, so it's not like some block of votes were fed into the machine wrong, there is no block of 43k votes in PA for Libertarians in any one election station.

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