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Nearly 400 restaurants close for good in San Francisco metro area: report


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2020 Jul 25, 3:54pm   2,412 views  48 comments

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A new report from Yelp reveals that in the San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward metro area, more than 5,000 business have closed either temporarily or permanently between March 1 and July 10. That’s the second highest closure rate relative to total businesses in the U.S.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/nearly-400-restaurants-close-for-good-in-san-francisco-metro-area-report/?fbclid=IwAR2LewY60P5YIB679fg4xVPb-hcCCUrG2J_JHnM4tCMngWsRZQILdTr846M

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1   Onvacation   2020 Jul 25, 3:54pm  

Meanwhile, McDonald's is doing fine.
2   mell   2020 Jul 25, 4:07pm  

Onvacation says
Meanwhile, McDonald's is doing fine.


Yeah, the Demonrat leftoids got what they wanted. Standing up for big corporation food and restaurant chains while bankrupting mom and pop restaurants. There used to be a time where they would have never let this happen. Long ago.
3   clambo   2020 Jul 25, 4:09pm  

Good, they hire illegals anyway mostly.

Make them all In-n-Out Burgers.
4   mell   2020 Jul 25, 4:16pm  

clambo says
Good, they hire illegals anyway mostly.

Make them all In-n-Out Burgers.


Haha but the rest of the fast food is usually shit quality. In N' Out is among the best. Actually the vast majority of people employed as bartenders and servers are American citizens, you can prob find Illegals in the kitchens.
5   Automan Empire   2020 Jul 25, 4:46pm  

mell says
Yeah, the Demonrat leftoids got what they wanted. Standing up for big corporation food and restaurant chains while bankrupting mom and pop restaurants.


Why do people like you retain any credibility in anyone's eyes after repeatedly spouting such nonsense? Do show proof of your claim that Democrats and Leftists "wanted" mom and pop businesses to shut down in favor of corporations.

IDK about San Francisco proper, but my parents used to live North of the bay area so I'm familiar with local issues and sentiments. Communities like Fort Bragg vehemently prohibited fast food chains for a long time to preserve their core of locally owned restaurant businesses. The individuals and business interests pushing for fast food chains, EVERY ONE OF THEM REPUBLICANS, called them anti-business hippies and all manner of slander for their efforts. The bland corporate sameness pushing out local unique businesses has ALWAYS been a major societal critique from the left and pushed by the right.

What accountability exists for people making blatantly false claims such as yours?
6   mell   2020 Jul 25, 4:55pm  

Automan Empire says
mell says
Yeah, the Demonrat leftoids got what they wanted. Standing up for big corporation food and restaurant chains while bankrupting mom and pop restaurants.


Why do people like you retain any credibility in anyone's eyes after repeatedly spouting such nonsense? Do show proof of your claim that Democrats and Leftists "wanted" mom and pop businesses to shut down in favor of corporations.

IDK about San Francisco proper, but my parents used to live North of the bay area so I'm familiar with local issues and sentiments. Communities like Fort Bragg vehemently prohibited fast food chains for a long time to preserve their core of locally owned restaurant businesses. The individuals and business interests pushing for fast food chains, EVERY ONE OF THEM REPUBLICANS, called them anti-business hippies and all manner of slander for their efforts. The bland corporate sameness pushing out loc...


I agree with you on the history of Republicans more willing to let chains move into areas where they were "prohibited" or "unwanted" - however that is free enterprise and you can be for it or against it. Many places such as SF have both, chains and small restaurants/coffee shops and they all made plenty of money and coexisted nicely next to each other. If a local community wants to prevent chains moving in I have no problems with that, and if done in a lawful manner, most Republicans probably wouldn't object either. What has happened now with the Covid ban though pushed through entirely by Democrat mayors and governors is that many mom an pop stores and smaller restaurants/cafes were forced to close while the chains (mostly fast food) who don't rely much on indoor dining came out on top. How can you deny this? This is a DIRECT consequence of Democrat politics and those drastic lockdowns would never have flown with the hippie/small government left of the 1960s to 1990s. Woodstock would not take place today due to the hong kong flu being a pandemic similar to Covid back then. This is all clear. I have nothing against the original liberal ideas and like many of them, but today's politics of the left harm the average Joe far more than any big business porky Republican. Lastly whether they "wanted" is irrelevant - it was meant half-way sarcastic - effectively they did just that. Why?!
7   REpro   2020 Jul 25, 5:09pm  

Now SF will have long time to recover. Thanks to Newsom lockdown. Only 56 people died in SF on Virus, sick anyway.
8   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jul 25, 5:17pm  

REpro says
Now SF will have long time to recover. Thanks to Newsom lockdown. Only 56 people died in SF on Virus, sick anyway.


This actually may destroy San Francisco. The city is fairly reliant on tourism. No tourism, business destroyed, disgusting homeless out of control. Now criminals being released from prison?
9   Onvacation   2020 Jul 25, 6:01pm  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
tourism, business destroyed, disgusting homeless out of control. Now criminals being released from prison?

Welcome to dystopia 2020.
10   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Jul 25, 6:43pm  

People been spending too much money eating out anyways.

I've read that some crazy proportion, like about half, of the spending for food in SF Bay Area, was restaurant tabs.

It's tragic for the employees though.
11   REpro   2020 Jul 25, 6:59pm  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
REpro says
Now SF will have long time to recover. Thanks to Newsom lockdown. Only 56 people died in SF on Virus, sick anyway.


This actually may destroy San Francisco. The city is fairly reliant on tourism. No tourism, business destroyed, disgusting homeless out of control. Now criminals being released from prison?




Newsom: Great Destroyer
12   Automan Empire   2020 Jul 25, 10:04pm  

mell says
I agree with you on the history of Republicans more willing to let chains move in


Just admit, reflexively blaming mom and pop restaurant closures on the left like that was factually wrong and irrelevant to the problem and potential solutions.

mell says
If a local community wants to prevent chains moving in I have no problems with that, and if done in a lawful manner, most Republicans probably wouldn't object either.


My point is, Republicans ARE the pro-chains-moving-in side of this argument, again admit blaming the left was wrong and follow that idea upstream from where you heard it. You'll find a right wing propaganda engine that works against your own personal interests, guaran-damn-tee you.

The fatal flaw here is, rank and file Republicans think the Republican position is pro-business in a way that supports their business owning Republican leaning buddies, when in fact it works against them in one-way favor of the Yum! brands, PepsiCos, and Walton Families of the world. At their scale, and level of vertical integration, the market and economy really DOES become a zero sum game with them the only winners.
13   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 25, 10:51pm  

mell says
In N' Out is among the best.


Accurate in all of your points. I just wish they made better fries. They were sort of a flash in the pan when they went into San Antonio. Long lines down the street. That ended and now Chick-fil-A has the lines all the way across the shopping center. They've been in SA since the 80s at least and when I was a kid they weren't that popular. Popular but not that popular. They had a dirty store in Ingram Park Mall. Another non-spectacular store on the UTSA campus.

I never would have guessed. Maybe their menu has changed? I got over them in the early 90s.

On the other hand, I still crave In-n-out burgers sometimes.
14   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 25, 10:55pm  

Automan Empire says
Why do people like you retain any credibility in anyone's eyes after repeatedly spouting such nonsense?


Car sales guy meet mirror.

Automan Empire says
Do show proof of your claim that Democrats and Leftists "wanted" mom and pop businesses to shut down in favor of corporations.


They want to destroy the fucking country because Killary lost the election a few years back ya ding dong! At! Any! Cost!

Some people I wonder if they are willfully ignorant of the shit in front of their faces or just "slow" as they say in the South.
15   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 25, 11:00pm  

Automan Empire says
EVERY ONE OF THEM REPUBLICANS, called them anti-business hippies and all manner of slander for their efforts.


And they were right! But probably lying by omission because they left out how much those proto-commie's un-wiped hippy asses smelled.
16   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 25, 11:04pm  

mell says
however that is free enterprise and you can be for it or against it.


I'm dealing with this in Maui right now. The fucking commies want me out of business even though I'm legal. They are using the rona to shut down short term vacation rentals yet allowing hotels / rich mega resorts owned by mainland corps to operate. <- So long as you submit to their gestapo tactics on the way to, in and on the way back to the airport from your hotel. 100% cooked up by crooked as fuck demonrats.

Fuck those assholes, I'm not leveraged I will out last them just fine. I have people still trying to book constantly.

However. I'm starting to think that we may reach a point where we'll need 'camps' to put the god damn leftists in soon.
17   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 25, 11:07pm  

Automan Empire says
The fatal flaw here is, rank and file Republicans think the Republican position is pro-business in a way that supports their business owning


Fucking incredible.
18   clambo   2020 Jul 26, 12:04am  

Restaurants have been a marginal business for a long time, 50% fail anyway.

I do feel sorry for the family joints, they may have few employment options.

I’m a little bit frugal, I was around fishermen and saw their boom and bust lives, and it made me a saver for a rainy day. I never forgot how much financial stress they had, although fishing has a more romantic reputation in movies, etc.

The government has fucked over a lot of people, and I hope we can get out of the grasp of idiots like Newsom.

Almost all of my friends think I am a little crazy for my ways, but I don’t hardly go to restaurants since Florida, it’s rarely worth it to me here.

My favorite restaurant was Puccini Cafe in North Beach, but it had a fire and closed a few years ago.
19   mell   2020 Jul 26, 7:33am  

Automan Empire says
mell says
I agree with you on the history of Republicans more willing to let chains move in


Just admit, reflexively blaming mom and pop restaurant closures on the left like that was factually wrong and irrelevant to the problem and potential solutions.

mell says
If a local community wants to prevent chains moving in I have no problems with that, and if done in a lawful manner, most Republicans probably wouldn't object either.


My point is, Republicans ARE the pro-chains-moving-in side of this argument, again admit blaming the left was wrong and follow that idea upstream from where you heard it. You'll find a right wing propaganda engine that works against your own personal interests, guaran-damn-tee you.

The fatal flaw here is, rank and file Republicans think the Republican position is pro-b...


This has nothing with some big business conspiracy, fact is, the Democrat leaders destroyed the small shops and restaurants in one quick swoop with their ridiculous covid shutdowns. No evil big business lobbyist could have done even a small fraction of that destruction in a decade.
20   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 26, 12:00pm  

mell says
No evil big business lobbyist could have done even a small fraction of that destruction in a decade.


However, in some places (Hawaii) they are conspiring together and taking advantage of the situation.
21   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Jul 26, 12:15pm  

just_adhom_preaching says

I'm dealing with this in Maui right now. The fucking commies want me out of business even though I'm legal.


It doesn't matter.

We are headed straight into a Depression, so there will be very little air travel to places like Hawaii. Back to the days of camping trips. Nothing wrong with that. Some say the quality of life was higher in the days when camping trips was the more normal leisure travel mode than air travel trips.

And no, the lockdowns, shutdowns, quarantines are not the cause of the Depression. They are just the trigger. The cause is that we are up to our eyeballs in debt: Mortgage Debt, Student Loan Debt, Car Loan Debt, Credit Card Debt, Medical Bill Debt, Corporate Debt, Local Government ("tax exempt bonds") Debt, U.S. Treasury Debt.
22   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 26, 12:16pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
We are headed straight into a Depression, so there will be very little air travel to places like Hawaii.


I still get daily booking requests. There are plenty of haves out there with lots of $. That's the same crap the local government keeps trying to sell there. They are so afraid of tourism coming back they are trying to force the rental car companies to ditch half of their cars and to force tourists to use a shuttle to go to 'resorts' then 'stay at the resorts' <- Even after the virus thing is over.

B.A.C.A.H. says
And no, the lockdowns, shutdowns, quarantines are not the cause of the Depression. They are just the trigger. The cause is that we are up to our eyeballs in debt: Mortgage Debt, Student Loan Debt, Car Loan Debt, Credit Card Debt, Medical Bill Debt, Corporate Debt, Local Government ("tax exempt bonds") Debt, U.S. Treasury Debt.


Can't argue with that too much. Way fucking more than a trigger when you shut an economy down like this. You don't 'stop' a 20 Trillion dollar economy. You might crash it into a wall but that's not stopping that's crashing. If this were the 70s before we had all this debt the effect would have been similar I think.
23   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Jul 26, 12:18pm  

just_adhom_preaching says
There are plenty of haves out there

Said the leisure travel industry about four months after the 1929 Stock Market crash, in early 1930.
24   mell   2020 Jul 26, 12:20pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
just_adhom_preaching says

I'm dealing with this in Maui right now. The fucking commies want me out of business even though I'm legal.


It doesn't matter.

We are headed straight into a Depression, so there will be very little air travel to places like Hawaii. Back to the days of camping trips. Nothing wrong with that. Some say the quality of life was higher in the days when camping trips was the more normal leisure travel mode than air travel trips.

And no, the lockdowns, shutdowns, quarantines are not the cause of the Depression. They are just the trigger. The cause is that we are up to our eyeballs in debt: Mortgage Debt, Student Loan Debt, Car Loan Debt, Credit Card Debt, Medical Bill Debt, Corporate Debt, Local Government ("tax exempt bonds") Debt, U.S. Treasury Debt.


That's not entirely true. The looming debt has always been a problem and possible trigger for a recession but so far every country incl. the US has painted over the debt by printing money and the US always came out on top, so debt becomes relative in a global connected world. Sure camping trips and back to 60s nostalgia has a great ring to it but the world will never go back to where it once was. The lockdowns are the major reason for the economic jitters, not the debt. Debt is a consequence of the lockdowns. Sure there was plenty of debt before, but the lockdowns added much more and - worse - put people out of work - which is a much bigger risk for the economy than debt. Treasury auctions never have had a problem so far and there's no problem in the bond market on the horizon, now that may change but currently there isn't.
25   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 26, 12:21pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
Said the leisure travel industry about four months after the 1929 Stock Market crash, in early 1930.


Well, we'll see... Like I said, not much demand reduction that I've noticed so far. Although I had to lower prices so there is that.
26   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Jul 26, 12:23pm  

mell says
That's not entirely true


Yeah I know, "It's Different Here. It's Different This Time".

If you say so, Bro.
27   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 26, 12:27pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
We are headed straight into a Depression


Actually, I think this is worse than the GD given what I've been reading / viewing. It's just (perhaps temporarily) being papered over right now. Apparently during GD ~81% of economies were in a depression where now it's ~91% (internationally)
28   mell   2020 Jul 26, 12:27pm  

just_adhom_preaching says
B.A.C.A.H. says
Said the leisure travel industry about four months after the 1929 Stock Market crash, in early 1930.


Well, we'll see... Like I said, not much demand reduction that I've noticed so far. Although I had to lower prices so there is that.


People travel differently these days, While our parents were fine with a local camping trip - and I think we should do more local vacations as well - good luck trying to convince the wives, GFs, sons and daughters to go to Big Sur instead of Hawaii.

B.A.C.A.H. says
mell says
That's not entirely true


Yeah I know, "It's Different Here. It's Different This Time".

If you say so, Bro.


Ok, so you're preparing for a global depression, have cashed out of most if not all or what? The issue is that most assets have been rising with inflation/money printing far more than cash or savings. Also before Covid the Trump economy was on fire, albeit a lot of debt. The Fed was actually winding down their assets bought during the 2008 recession. I'm no fan of the Fed and think the bailouts were unfair as they picked winners and losers but the money printing, low interest and tax break definitely contribute to the best one of the best job markets ever pre-Covid. Let's see where this goes, if we can avoid another round of lockdowns we may get away with a black eye. "We" are the states that don't lock down like Commiefornia.
29   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Jul 26, 12:31pm  

Automan Empire says
Republicans ARE the pro-chains-moving-in side of this argument
Republicans are more likely to support "law and order" so that the low-quality stores aren't quite as run down, etc.

Anyway, we all know the sure way of destroying the quality of life of a town or city is to enact rent control and/or demand "low cost housing" in places where the existing residents want neither.
30   mell   2020 Jul 26, 12:31pm  

just_adhom_preaching says
B.A.C.A.H. says
We are headed straight into a Depression


Actually, I think this is worse than the GD given what I've been reading / viewing. It's just (perhaps temporarily) being papered over right now. Apparently during GD ~81% of economies were in a depression where now it's ~91% (internationally)


The Dax in Germany has recovered almost to all time highs and most companies in the US and international are still reporting hefty profits. UK is doing relatively splendid since brexit. The biggest risk is turning productive workers into unemployed via lockdowns. If the US bends over to the asinine lockdown TDSers I expect European and Asian growth to outpace the US going forward. We still have a lead, albeit a small one.
31   Reality   2020 Jul 26, 12:32pm  

All of those restaurant owners should join a few class-action law suits against California and San Franncisco for the taking of their businesses without just compensation. If the governments want to shut down businesses wholesale (not for specific violation against existing health codes by specific business) based on the faith in some quackery, there should be eminent domain payment equal to the lost revenue. Newson and Breed can be personally sued for robbery and vandalism / destruction of property via abuse of power.
32   mell   2020 Jul 26, 12:35pm  

Reality says
All of those restaurant owners should join a few class-action law suits against California and San Franncisco for the taking of their businesses without just compensation. There should be eminent domain payment. Newson and Breed can be personally sued for robbery via abuse of power.


Fully agreed. I try to support the local wine bar/restaurant and the Karen's are now snitching on them in local neighborhoods so that - while you're already outdoors - you are being asked to put your mask back on every time after you take a bite or sip. I said fuck off if you take my money the mask stays off - they took my money ;) Newsom and Breed should be sued to the hilt. Such hypocrisy, 20 years ago Newsom would have never supported this shit. He's now just doing the bidding for his masters.
33   mell   2020 Jul 26, 12:41pm  

By the way, the Marina as the sole outlier is still buzzing and most restaurants are doing ok since they just put plenty of tables and chairs and heating systems outside and they are packed to the brim every night, no masks or social distancing. I assume since the Marina is mostly full of young adults and wealthier students/trust fund babies, they don't care about the cold going around and have enough pull to discourage snitching on their local restaurants and bars. And you know in which hood Newson operates his SF restaurants ;)
34   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Jul 26, 12:44pm  

mell says
you're preparing for a global depression

I didn't say that, Bro. You did.

Party On.
35   mell   2020 Jul 26, 12:47pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
mell says
you're preparing for a global depression

I didn't say that, Bro. You did.

Party On.


Alright, so a depression in the US only. We'll see, definitely volatile times ahead in this election year.
36   Onvacation   2020 Jul 26, 12:47pm  

Automan Empire says
Republicans

Republicans suck. But they suck way less than Democrats; winess Kamala
https://madworldnews.com/kamala-harris-sex-jeff-sessions/
Madonna
www.youtube.com/embed/Oh1RMUyCkLQ
Hillary

And of course, Monica
37   Onvacation   2020 Jul 26, 12:49pm  

Automan Empire says
The fatal flaw here is, rank and file Republicans think the Republican position is pro-business

You do know Newsom shut down the state, don'tcha?
38   mell   2020 Jul 26, 12:52pm  

Onvacation says
Automan Empire says
Republicans

Republicans suck. But they suck way less than Democrats; winess Kamala
https://madworldnews.com/kamala-harris-sex-jeff-sessions/
Madonna


Monica still has the best mouth. I have no illusions that the Rino Republicans are great for the country, but this process already took place among most conservatives, hence the tea party and the election of Trump. The left still defaults to "but the Republicans are the bad ones!" instead of saying I'm not supporting these nutcases temporarily and go independent or forfeit my vote or even vote against my usual party line. I have no problem doing that, always vote for solutions and the rule of law, no matter which party the best candidate belongs to.
39   Onvacation   2020 Jul 26, 12:52pm  

just_adhom_preaching says

Some people I wonder if they are willfully ignorant of the shit in front of their faces or just "slow" as they say in the South.

Willfully ignorant. The painful epiphany is coming.
40   Onvacation   2020 Jul 26, 12:57pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says

And no, the lockdowns, shutdowns, quarantines are not the cause of the Depression. They are just the trigger. The cause is that we are up to our eyeballs in debt: Mortgage Debt, Student Loan Debt, Car Loan Debt, Credit Card Debt, Medical Bill Debt, Corporate Debt, Local Government ("tax exempt bonds") Debt, U.S. Treasury Debt.

Not to mention our "money" is backed by the Federal Reserve, which is not Federal and has no reserves.

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