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Send them back from whence they came.

Who cares what is convenient for them?

I have a friend who calls herself a “tutor” for rich Chinese, they are not able to compose essays without her.
She helps them cheat and apply to graduate school.

I knew a Chinese girl whose boyfriend helped her cheat through college. In her culture, this wasn’t really wrong since she “paid” for his assistance with her pussy.

Of course universities don’t want to reopen, it’s a pain to have actual classes and labs and exams, how exhausting.

Of course the eggheads all hate Trump in addition to being lazy and afraid.

I have to say that the Chinese engineering undergrads I studied with at Michigan would continuously and flagrantly cheat at every opportunity, as long as they were pretty sure they wouldn't get caught.

I think it is a cultural difference to some degree. They literally see nothing wrong with it at all.

I was a teaching assistant at Cal for a summer, setting up labs when I first graduated. Yeah, I was shocked at how obviously some Asian kids cheated. I told the Professor, who was visiting only for the term. He was a tremendous asshole and acted like he didn't even know why I reported it, he didn't want to rock the boat.

On the other hand, the teaching assistants in some science courses had a profitable sideline selling summary notes of the course lectures. You couldn't get a decent grade if you didn't buy the notes to find out more specifically what would wind up on the tests.

Patrick says

Is there more to this that I am not getting?

Nope.

First off, I'm Chinese and my father was born in China. When I was in graduate school for Chemistry, half of our department were foreign Chinese students. A lot of them would send in eloquent essays proclaiming to want to work with a specific professor and once they arrived, would have no interest. Some of them would do a phone interview and be incredibly eloquent, and they come here and the person showing up would struggle to get out a sentence. There were 4 professors in the department who spoke Chinese so we didn't need to kick them out of school.

In class, they would write answers on the desks in Chinese characters. Why you would bother cheating in a graduate school course is beyond me. Every single course was like a participation trophy grade. I stopped caring about grades altogether by the 2nd year. There was clearly a different attitude with respect to cheating from some of them. The worst thing I ever saw was in our Intro to Research seminar. This was a class that basically taught you "plagiarism is bad". The Chinese dude friggin plagiarized his power point presentation from the materials that the teacher handed out and presented it in class!

There were others that actually forced themselves to speak nothing but English and became very comfortable conversing with the other non-chinese graduate students and actually integrated themselves within to society here. The ones that never bothered to learn the language and questionably operated, went straight back to Communist China after graduating.

Universities will quickly change instruction to in-person classes, as tuition for foreigners is 2-3 times that of American students, and school would lose REVENUE. Also, screwing rich foreigners out of a lot of money while providing them with crappy education is an underappreciated American export.

My experience with flagrant cheaters is that the correlation wasn't tied to any nationality or ethnicity; it was tied to wealth. The super-rich knew they were untouchable and many of them acted with that in mind. Since admission costs for foreigners, as noted above, are often 2-3 times the cost to locals, that alone explains the rich part, which leads to the cheating part.

Further, rich US citizens don't tend to go into STEM fields. But if you struggle with english, want to get a degree from a western university, and are also so rich that you won't actually have to use that knowledge to get a job, you have pretty much lined up all the pieces for cheating

Is there more to this that I am not getting?

Yes: Orange man bad!

Oh, and that if these students aren't living in the school dormitories or other university housing, where are they going to stay?

I think this play could work out well for Trump's reelection. When Trump pushes for schools and the rest of the economy to open up, of course the opposition will have to demand the opposite. Parents are probably tired of their kids by now, especially since neither the parents nor the kids can go do things apart from each other. Plus, parents know they will be stuck if they can finally resume their job but have now taxpayer-funded daycare (school).

Patrick says

Chinese engineering undergrads I studied with

I don't know about mainland but the Chinese Singaporeans and Hong Kongers I knew, worked very hard and were not a part of the slacking fortunate sons.

Patrick says

I have to say that the Chinese engineering undergrads I studied with at Michigan would continuously and flagrantly cheat at every opportunity, as long as they were pretty sure they wouldn't get caught.

I think it is a cultural difference to some degree. They literally see nothing wrong with it at all.

I had the same experience with Indian CS students. Some of my courses were legit 95% Indians, and during exams, some teachers would get bored and walk out of the room, closing the door behind them. Within seconds, it was an utter free for all cheating frenzy. It quickly got loud with 50-80 students suddenly sharing answers with nearby friends. 1 or 2 students seemed to volunteer as lookout, watching the door, and would quickly turn around when the door opened, signaling to the rest of the class to stfu, which again, amazingly, they all got quiet within 1 second.

It was some seriously pro shit.

Cases like this were the rare occasions where I cheated. Normally I abstained, but when you know you're graded on a curve, and the entire class is cheating, I would argue the only way to ensure your grade reflects your true relative score, is to cheat as well (unless you know you can get 100% without doing so). Otherwise, the curve goes up without you, depreciating your score.

A friend who immigrated from India told me cheating is common there, and socially acceptable. Same with lying, to a lesser extent, if its for self beneficial / competitive reasons. "everyone does it" seems to be what fuels it.

Ceffer says

I remember that moment when I looked at them, and they looked at me, and they knew that I knew.

www.youtube.com/embed/rbzJTTDO9f4

NDrLoR says

Ceffer says

I remember that moment when I looked at them, and they looked at me, and they knew that I knew.

I remember that moment when I looked at them, and they looked at me, and they knew that I knew.

www.youtube.com/embed/rbzJTTDO9f4

The guy is too soft on the fuckers. Offered them an easy out.