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Still have tons of Covid-phobes, like deer frozen in the headlights, who have to be deployed for social punishment before they wake up.

Patrick says

Now at lowest points since March 23.



"Cases" mean nothing at all now that we know they were adding in antibody tests, meaning people who may have been exposed months ago, and not even gotten sick.

Where do you get this graph from?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Yes, this is certainly counter to the implications of 3 weeks or more now of spiking new cases.

But there is a lot of anecdotal stories about hospital cases being way up, ICUs being at or close to capacity and so on. But evidently either they have learned how to treat them (not HCQ), or the virus is getting less lethal which wouldn't be surprising. I think it's probably mostly the latter.

marcus says

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Correct, that's where it's from.

marcus says

But there is a lot of anecdotal stories about hospital cases being way up, ICUs being at or close to capacity and so on. But evidently either they have learned how to treat them (not HCQ), or the virus is getting less lethal which wouldn't be surprising. I think it's probably mostly the latter.

This is where the breakdown occurs. I know some here have pumped up certain drugs. Why can't we all just align for once and agree that deaths are down. Who gives a fuck about the treatment? Who cares about the cases? Less people are dying. This is good. We're that much closer to not being retarded and being locked down. I know the left and right hates being locked down. Right?

I sure hate being locked down.

I'm confident that the new "cases" hysteria is being whipped up purely for political reasons. They are attempting to harm the economy, thinking it will harm Trump.

The millions who have lost their jobs in this attempt don't even figure into the calculation.

Patrick says

I sure hate being locked down.

Then move - not every state is like CA.

WookieMan says

marcus says

But there is a lot of anecdotal stories about hospital cases being way up, ICUs being at or close to capacity and so on. But evidently either they have learned how to treat them (not HCQ), or the virus is getting less lethal which wouldn't be surprising. I think it's probably mostly the latter.

This is where the breakdown occurs. I know some here have pumped up certain drugs. Why can't we all just align for once and agree that deaths are down. Who gives a fuck about the treatment? Who cares about the cases? Less people are dying. This is good. We're that much closer to not being retarded and being locked down. I know the left and right hates being locked down. Right?

Based on what I see on my FB feed, the left loves being locked down. They get to collect unemployment or work from home without the commute and thumb their noses at everyone else.

joshuatrio says

Patrick says

I sure hate being locked down.

Then move - not every state is like CA.

@Patrick you can get great weekday rates in Sonoma/Napa, usually around $120 in hotels with pool. I go up there as much as I can with the convertible. Also people are more relaxed up there, hardly any mask nazi lockdown leftoids.

The crazy thing is if you believe the super spreader stories be it in the Chinese restaurant, the choir or the apartment complex in Korea, then you have to assume the Chinese virus is airborne and if so regular masks are 99% ineffective and N95 masks only somewhat effective. And the lockdowns are 100% ineffective anyways as they only delay the spread as this will become a seasonal or year round cold/flu.

joshuatrio says

Patrick says

I sure hate being locked down.

Then move - not every state is like CA.

Even within the same state it's different. There's no enforcement mechanism, because they know they can't. Flying to Utah in a couple weeks. Chicago has implemented a 14 day "mandatory" quarantine once you return, with fines up to $7k/pp. No joke. And they then admit they have no one to enforce it. Our government is playing completely fucked up mind games. It's sick. I don't live in Chicago, how the fuck are you going to enforce that?

A family of 4 and we're bringing a nephew, so 5 total could be fined fucking $35k for doing a southwest National Park trip? Mainly outdoors doing things that young boys need to do. WTF is wrong with this world? Right or left, how can someone not see the pure stupidity of it all? It's probably the goal, but I'm close to getting violently mad at the next person that shames me. Not kill, just maybe a quick sucker punch.

WookieMan says

Even within the same state it's different. There's no enforcement mechanism, because they know they can't. Flying to Utah in a couple weeks. Chicago has implemented a 14 day "mandatory" quarantine once you return, with fines up to $7k/pp. No joke. And they then admit they have no one to enforce it. Our government is playing completely fucked up mind games. It's sick. I don't live in Chicago, how the fuck are you going to enforce that?

A family of 4 and we're bringing a nephew, so 5 total could be fined fucking $35k for doing a southwest National Park trip? Mainly outdoors doing things that young boys need to do. WTF is wrong with this world? Right or left, how can someone not see the pure stupidity of it all? It's probably the goal, but I'm close to getting violently mad at the next person that shames me. Not kill, just maybe a quick sucker punch.

Agreed it's messing with our vacation plans as well - you have to provide a test not older than 72 hours to avoid quarantine. This is another money-making and government controlling scheme, get your crappy unreliable test done and hope it's not a false positive, pay and enrich the medical companies, get treated like a beggar "oh we're so busy you need to make appointments in advance you peasant!" - fuck this shit and fuck the leftoid (and the few right) states imposing this unconstitutional bullshit. who has time for this crap.

mell says

Agreed it's messing with our vacation plans as well

I'm at 4 trips cancelled at this point. 2 in the past and 2 in the future. I fly Southwest with points so it's free and we can do it frequently as a family with 2 companion passes. It's mentally a mind fuck. I've got this currency to travel and can't even fucking use it and there's nothing else to do. Can work remotely. It's nuts.

WookieMan says

mell says

Agreed it's messing with our vacation plans as well

I'm at 4 trips cancelled at this point. 2 in the past and 2 in the future. I fly Southwest with points so it's free and we can do it frequently as a family with 2 companion passes. It's mentally a mind fuck. I've got this currency to travel and can't even fucking use it and there's nothing else to do. Can work remotely. It's nuts.

I'll say this over and over again - the "modern" regressive left likes to denigrate and totally control its populace - similar to the old religious right and communist-marxist left. The amount of hassle and hoops they make you go through is utterly insane, with no constitutional right to do so. They should all be arrested. If you don't want to take a risk stay at home but don't impose on others.

Update to the charts. Given the time from infection to potential death, there's zero indication these new cases are even a problem. Media and fuck faces should be held accountable. This is absolute bull shit at this point. This is 100% intentional and there's not a person breathing (lol) that can prove otherwise. And yes, there is a virus that can kill people before someone gets dumb.


And yes, the death reporting will bump back up during the week. 7 day moving average is still going down. There's no excuse anymore.

WookieMan says

And yes, the death reporting will bump back up during the week. 7 day moving average is still going down. There's no excuse anymore.

most of the older and nursing home patients (thanks cuomo) unfortunately already expired. The new infections are mostly younger adults and they add on to the ultimate goal of herd immunity. I expect death rates to stay fairly low with occasional swings until deaths almost vanish completely.

mell says

most of the older and nursing home patients (thanks cuomo) unfortunately already expired. The new infections are mostly younger adults and they add on to the ultimate goal of herd immunity. I expect death rates to stay fairly low with occasional swings until deaths almost vanish completely.

I know. I just like to keep posting this stuff. The dates and trends don't correlate to even a 7 year old unless they're blind. Anyone at this point stating otherwise should likely just get a lobotomy. We're re shutting down over cases not killing people because they're not new.

mell says

Patrick you can get great weekday rates in Sonoma/Napa, usually around $120 in hotels with pool. I go up there as much as I can with the convertible. Also people are more relaxed up there, hardly any mask nazi lockdown leftoids.

This sounds nice! I will suggest it to the wife.

marcus says

I think it's probably mostly the latter.

Maybe, but its spreading amongst healthier people...rather than the targeted nursing home attacks from the northeastern death-dealing governors.

CBOEtrader says

marcus says

I think it's probably mostly the latter.

Maybe, but its spreading amongst healthier people...rather than the targeted nursing home attacks from the northeastern death-dealing governors.

A common cold virus can have a death rate as high as 8% inside a nursing home. Could even be higher that the Chinese virus once it adapted. They killed toe old folks and imprisoned and economically crippled the young - thanks Dems!

mell says

A common cold virus can have a death rate as high as 8% inside a nursing home

Yeah, a strong wind has a deathrate amongst nursing home patients.

The death dealer governors who sent covid patients into nursing homes should be investigated. Almost like they wanted a pandemic, and acted in a way to inflate deaths. Monstrous behavior!

marcus says

We're back at 80 people per day allegedly dying from Covid in a state of 30M+ people, same as it was in April (when everybody was sitting home shitting their pants):



It's not good, but it's hardly a horrible catastrophe either. We lose on average 10 people per day to car accidents alone.

marcus says

Wouldn't it be accurate to say if the numbers (deaths alone) are correct, that it's now the worst it has been ?

LOL! On an average day, California should have 800-900 deaths. Why should it be surprising that some of the lying bureaucrats in the cities would chalk 1/5 of that to Covid-19? Even if someone is killed in car accident, the dead body can be chalked up as dying with Covid-19. The statistic is utterly useless. Despite the book cooking, the "with" count only accounts for less than 1/4 of normal death count in normal times.

The "epidemic" is a joke at this point. BTW, what is the flu and pneumonia death count at this point? Did people that would die of flu and pneumonia in years past suddenly change their causes of death to 'Rona? as the hospitals are paid to lie. Instead of $3000-5000 for treating a flu case, Medicare/Medicaid pay $13000 for treating a 'Rona case, and ramps up to $39000 if the hospital intubates the patient to death! It's actually a miracle that doctors in California are not intubating everyone coming through the door and killing almost every single one of them like some hospital in Queens NYC did!

marcus says

Wouldn't it be accurate to say if the numbers (deaths alone) are correct, that it's now the worst it has been ?

This is California’s second wave, and it’s about four times as large. I’m hearing about many people I know who have it. Better treatments have led to better outcomes with the infected. Also this wave wasn’t deliberately seeded into the nursing homes where the absolute most vulnerable reside. Maybe they’ve all been moved by now?
In the first wave you didn’t know anyone with Covid, but oldsters were dying.
Now everyone else is getting it. It’s nothing to fear. Get you some HCQ and a steroid asthma inhaler and get some rest and you’ve got a 99.9% chance of not being hospitalized.

Shaman says

you’ve got a 99.9% chance of not being hospitalized.

Much less dying.

Shaman says

Also this wave wasn’t deliberately seeded into the nursing homes where the absolute most vulnerable reside. Maybe they’ve all been moved by now?

I have no close relatives in nursing homes, but if I had I would absolutely move them into my home and hired a private nurse to look after them. I suspect many people did just that.

Shaman says

marcus says

Wouldn't it be accurate to say if the numbers (deaths alone) are correct, that it's now the worst it has been ?

This is California’s second wave, and it’s about four times as large. I’m hearing about many people I know who have it. Better treatments have led to better outcomes with the infected. Also this wave wasn’t deliberately seeded into the nursing homes where the absolute most vulnerable reside. Maybe they’ve all been moved by now?
In the first wave you didn’t know anyone with Covid, but oldsters were dying.
Now everyone else is getting it. It’s nothing to fear. Get you some HCQ and a steroid asthma inhaler and get some rest and you’ve got a 99.9% chance of not being hospitalized.

I still don't know anybody who had it - as in symptoms - except for my buddies' construction worker, and the dude is totally asymptomatic. I suspect fraud by testing for antibodies or any CV viral fragments. Probably most of us have already come in contact with it. What I'm dreading is a big pissing contest when traveling and somehow surprisingly testing positive and having to deal with the leftoid enablers of government imprisonment.

I know 4 people who now lost parents. Here's the problem. Our asshole governor in NJ sent infected patients straight into the nursing homes they were in. All of these people are in their late 40s to early 50s with parents 80+ years old. Presumably, on a percentage basis, my guess is 15% of my coworkers contracted it. Nobody died. It's very clear who is at risk here and we should do all we can to protect them outside of fucking shutting down society...which is the only things governments seem to want to do.

Eric Holder says

Shaman says

Also this wave wasn’t deliberately seeded into the nursing homes where the absolute most vulnerable reside. Maybe they’ve all been moved by now?

I have no close relatives in nursing homes, but if I had I would absolutely move them into my home and hired a private nurse to look after them. I suspect many people did just that.

You'd be surprised. There were many people here in NJ calling up the radio or going to the news saying how scared they were for their mother in the nursing home. Meanwhile, they have 5 siblings that all live local and they are too lazy to figure out how to take care of them.

theoakman says

I know 4 people who now lost parents. Here's the problem. Our asshole governor in NJ sent infected patients straight into the nursing homes they were in. All of these people are in their late 40s to early 50s with parents 80+ years old. Presumably, on a percentage basis, my guess is 15% of my coworkers contracted it. Nobody died. It's very clear who is at risk here and we should do all we can to protect them outside of fucking shutting down society...which is the only things governments seem to want to do.

This was totally mishandled. And those governors have the gall to attack the federal response.

mell says

This was totally mishandled. And those governors have the gall to attack the federal response

Check out this map and do math.... https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

Every county you go to, it's something like 0.5-2% of positive tested cases die. Now factor in how they're labeling Covid deaths. Now factor in the entire population of each county and this is killing under 0.01% in most counties. If people are still blind to the lunacy of all this we're all fucked. If you can do 5th grade math you can see how stupid this is. You have a 0.01% chance of death from this. We've already hit peak where docs didn't know what the fuck to do or how to protect people. We know more now and are testing more now. But 0.01%... soak that in...

To blame anyone for something so minuscule is alarming given what we know. Our media is downright awful and dangerous. This has to stop. The data is there for anyone with a functioning brain.

theoakman says

You'd be surprised. There were many people here in NJ calling up the radio or going to the news saying how scared they were for their mother in the nursing home. Meanwhile, they have 5 siblings that all live local and they are too lazy to figure out how to take care of them.

The Democrats deliberately killed the people who wouldn’t be missed by them or anyone else. And they did it to spike death numbers to generate fear among the general population, and to give grist for their media fear mill.

This is a Democrat driven plague, and it’s fucking obvious to anyone who is paying attention.

thomasdong1776 says

Cognitive Dissonance:

Now that the deaths are going sub epidemic you must wear a mask.

thomasdong1776 says

Cognitive Dissonance: The motivational mechanism that underlies the reluctance to admit mistakes or accept scientific findings

Yes, in your admirable quest to understand complex terms, you might also look up strawman, slippery slope, false cause, appeal to authority, and appeal to emotion which are far more apropos.

thomasdong1776 says

Cognitive Dissonance: The motivational mechanism that underlies the reluctance to admit mistakes or accept scientific findings—even when those findings can save our lives. This dynamic is playing out during the pandemic among the many people who refuse to wear masks or practice social distancing. Human beings are deeply unwilling to change their minds. And when the facts clash with their preexisting convictions, some people would sooner jeopardize their health and everyone else’s than accept new information or admit to being wrong.

It's a flu get over it

Looks like death rate will be staying below 500 today. 137 people die of pneumonia every day on average. 100-300 of the flu, add in other respiratory diseases / common colds and you're already topping the daily death rate of people (suspected and confirmed) dying with Covid-19. The pandemic is over, the leftoid government overreach won't for a long time.

Eric Holder says

It's not good, but it's hardly a horrible catastrophe either

Okay, you can spin it, share your conspiracy based "reasoning" saying they must be lying. I'm just looking at the data which says that the average of the past week (new deaths) in California appears to be about 40% higher than any week since this started.

I get from you mell and others that you want to just dismiss this.

TD is right.

thomasdong1776 says

Human beings are deeply unwilling to change their minds. And when the facts clash with their preexisting convictions, some people would sooner jeopardize their health and everyone else’s than accept new information or admit to being wrong.

OR maybe you are right. But wanting to be right doesn't tell anyone much about whether you are. Let's see what the next week looks like.

marcus says

Eric Holder says

It's not good, but it's hardly a horrible catastrophe either

Okay, you can spin it, share your conspiracy based "reasoning" saying they must be lying. I'm just looking at the data which says that the average of the past week (new deaths) in California appears to be about 40% higher than any week since this started.

I get from you mell and others that you want to just dismiss this.

TD is right.

thomasdong1776 says

Human beings are deeply unwilling to change their minds. And when the facts clash with their preexisting convictions, some people would sooner jeopardize their health and everyone else’s than accept new information or admit to being wrong.

OR maybe you are. But wanting to be right doesn't tell anyone much about whether you are.

You're the one with the blinders on. Sweden never closed, Germany briefly, schools are open everywhere, masks only in crowded spaces. everywhere the same picture in Asia and everywhere in Europe. You want to tell us the virus is different here in the US? lol seriously I did the math above, CV - if you believe the inflated numbers - is now killing as many as flu and pneumonia together roughly, and the trend is falling. How do you square with the fact that nothing, zero, zilch is done for the other infectious respiratory diseases (with similar R0s) but for Covid-19 the world has to stand still?! Please..

marcus says

I'm just looking at the data which says that the average of the past week (new deaths) in California appears to be about 40% higher than any week since this started.

And? A jump from, say, 2 deaths to 3 would be 50%. Are we supposed to run in circles screaming in fear in this case too?

marcus says

OR maybe you are right. But wanting to be right doesn't tell anyone much about whether you are. Let's see what the next week looks like.

Marcus, if private employees get laid off without pay and only unemployment, shouldn't the same happen to teachers if schools stay closed?

Or are teachers more equal than others?

Note: Two days of virtual classes and three days of self-directed homework at home != 5 days of instruction.

NoCoupForYou says

marcus says

OR maybe you are right. But wanting to be right doesn't tell anyone much about whether you are. Let's see what the next week looks like.

Marcus, if private employees get laid off without pay and only unemployment, shouldn't the same happen to teachers if schools stay closed?

Or are teachers more equal than others?

Note: Two days of virtual classes and three days of self-directed homework at home != 5 days of instruction.

I'm so fucking pissed it's an additional $800 per month for an assistant teacher for 4 days a week if a couple families particpate. It's worth it but this is a giant fucking fuck you from the leftoid teachers unions and districts. Everyone should stop paying their state taxes. WTF is wrong with leftoids? Kids have always been a cesspool of germs now you want to get paid for sitting at home becuase you're fat and have a 0.06% chance of dying? This shit pisses me off and is only accelerating CAExit. If you don't want to teach fine but then don't take any pay, we don't pay that portion of our state taxes and find a private school or home school. But then again all they "learn" these days is systemic racism. Who needs math.