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2020 Jun 13, 2:35pm   5,024 views  65 comments

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My wife and I have about the cushiest situation possible in coastal California, financially independent, debt free etc. She has shocked the pants off of me after Covid 19 nonsense and riots to say she does not feel safe in this State any more and can't see anything improving.

She's sick of the stifling crowds, sanctuary crap, fires, the plain, daily crazy, ever encroaching crime and the endless blaring psychosis of one progressive shitburger after another. She wants to spend a year or two seriously looking to leave and move elsewhere. Covid and permissive riots with no interventions have driven people she knows over the edge in Santa Cruz who are all very seriously on the emigration bandwagon. Some have already moved in the last couple of months with their children, mostly to Oregon. She wants a place that is more immune from these self inflicted political disasters and has enough self governance to maintain civic order.

In the coming months, as the Kommie Python digests and exacerbates the economic disaster for working people and businesses, things will just get worse. I heard about one church (probably the first of many) that has has gone bankrupt from this. The Globalists have literally fucked everybody and everything with these disasters and madness for their narrow political purposes, and the fallout has fallen on America's most productive segments while elevating the scum. Leave it to the vandals and the swedo progressive crime families at the top?

We used to laugh just a few years ago, because you could drive into Santa Cruz and see something goofy every time. Now, when we take walks, even in neighborhoods, the people seem creepy and weird, and everybody is on edge, the druggies are everywhere.

Don't know how this will pan out, but we will be shopping for locales. I will miss surfing and the ocean, but they even shut that down for a while.

Used to be you came to California to pan for gold. Now, you come to California to pan for dregs.

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1   Ceffer   2020 Jun 13, 3:04pm  

And, of of course, this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/06/13/california-assembly-passes-reparations-bill/#164332a23aa6

Drive your State over an economic cliff into enormous deficits and then promise illegals cash and now this? This is going to be some fun crash 'n burn. They have won the lottery and whose asses are they coming after to pay for it?

Nothing makes people fight more than a windfall. Once the floodgates are opened, the greedy free shitters of all stripes aren't going to regard blacks as sancrosanct, and they will all be clamoring at the till climbing over each other.
2   Bd6r   2020 Jun 13, 3:08pm  

If you work remotely and want ocean, and are fine with a smaller town, look at Corpus Christi, TX. Buy an oceanfront house for less than $1M, population votes R and does not riot. Town is kinda boring, but I'd rather be bored than looted.
3   mell   2020 Jun 13, 3:12pm  

Oregon is nice around lake Oswego area, Portland going to shit long time ago already like SF. Texas good, Florida good. Can't blame her.
4   Ceffer   2020 Jun 13, 3:27pm  

Ten years ago, it was, "It can't get crazier then this, It is at crazy equilibrium." This is when the libs and conservatives were still civil. Walks were safe, things were still pleasant.

Then, It got crazier and we said: "It can't get crazier then this, It is at crazy equilibrium." Then, it got crazier. They air dropped the ghetto across from our nice neighborhood, and the neighborhood itself started losing all resemblance to a Western paradigm.

Then we said: "It can't get crazier then this, It is at crazy equilibrium." Then, it got crazier. More crowds, more traffic stalls and jams, more drugs, more illegals everywhere, more schools being built FOR the illegals.

Then, we said: "It can't get crazier then this, It is at crazy equilibrium." Then, raging fires everywhere, whole communities burning down, acrid smoke in the air for months of the year for years on end. PG&E punishing consumers with weeks and months of blackouts for suing them.

Then, we said: "It can't get crazier then this, It is at crazy equilibrium."
Covid 19 shutdowns, closed the beaches, mask hysteria, Karen hysteria.

You know, maybe crazy doesn't have an end or a bottom. Then, BLM, riots, total abdication of public protection, etc. etc. Now, with the State going into deficit by a billion dollars a day, they pass a reparations bill.

No, crazy has no bottom and no equilibrium. Where is civilization, and what have they done with it? This is just the short list.

The indicated peoples have no trouble destroying the infrastructures, while thinking the infrastructures can be extorted for ever more plunder.
5   komputodo   2020 Jun 13, 3:40pm  

Ceffer says
No, crazy has no bottom. Where is civilization, and what have they done with it? This is just the short list.

You should stay until it really gets crazy....
7   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jun 13, 3:55pm  

Wife is along the same lines. Including dating we’ve been together 8 years. She was a slightly left of moderate leaning Democrat her whole life as was the rest of her immediate family.

I never tried to persuade her too much. Just pointed out outrages where they exist. She spoke to friends wives who had left the Dem plantation a long time ago. She voted for John Cox for Governor. She saw how much we pay in state and Federal income tax. 10 Louis Vuitton’s a year sort of narrowed down which strategy she was in favor of regarding state and Federal income tax.

The stuff today has her baffled. She’s agreed to go to Firing Line with me and have guns in the house. She doesn’t understand why the police didn’t stop the looting and rioting and why the national guard wasn’t summoned immediately. She’s doesn’t like the actions of any of the leftist mayors and can’t believe what is happening in Seattle nor what is happening with the cancel and censorship. And she cant believe people wholesale turning on police.

But what turned her most are Covid imposed restrictions on some of the luxuries of western life that she enjoys most. Knowing that relatives in other states don’t have the same restrictions and have minimal Covid infections makes her wonder about our restrictions.

I’m proud she sees this. It’s without much prodding from me. She sees it on her own. It doesn’t hurt that her entire extended family(all Latino) are all Republican, nor that many have moved to Texas, Alaska, Idaho, and elsewhere.

I can’t deal with the cold and Hurricanes bother me. Nevada is my first choice and Texas would be a nice back up. I’ve been to Texas a few times but she has not. While watching her favorite show, Live PD(believe me she is PISSED they cancelled that show) in Montana she could not get over how nice people were. Texas is the same and I hope a visit in early spring will win her over with the nice people, fantastic big cities, and a high living standard. Other places I’d look at are Tennessee and South Carolina, but jobs are a consideration in both places as are winters in Tennessee. Really I just want a place that still feels like America.
8   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Jun 13, 3:56pm  

Ceffer says
Now, when we take walks, even in neighborhoods, the people seem creepy and weird, and everybody is on edge


I cannot remember the last time I've been to downtown Santa Cruz when it wasn't disgusting. Longer ago than 2009 which was the last time I walked around there.

My partner and I had breakfast in the coffee house that collapsed in the Loma Prieta quake, the Sunday before. That was 1989. Maybe Santa Cruz wasn't disgusting yet by then.
9   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jun 13, 3:56pm  

Ceffer says
No, crazy has no bottom and no equilibrium. Where is civilization, and what have they done with it? This is just the short list.


20 years from now, as people like you flee the state, you will be blamed for "Not contributing according to your means, horrible White Flight" as California collapses.

Once a single major Big Tech firm relocates it's HQ or a big chunk of it's day-to-day operations to Texas or Georgia, it'll become a flood. The only thing holding them back is peer pressure; it's not a sustainable environment.

Northeastern Florida is where it's at, perfect mix of affordability, safety, and attractions (as long as you aren't into Salt Bed Racing in the Desert) but please be cognizant that anywhere east of the Rockies is Humid.
10   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Jun 13, 3:57pm  

NoCoupForYou says
a big chunk of it's day-to-day operations to Texas or Georgia,
India or Malaysia.
11   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Jun 13, 4:01pm  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Nevada is my first choice

Yeah, with no state income tax and a relatively short distance from Reno, I thought it'd be a good destination. Maybe that will change though with the drop in tax revenue from tourism. We shall see.
12   theoakman   2020 Jun 13, 4:39pm  

HEYYOU says
One can run from many things but not a pandemic that has no vaccine.One could describe it as : Goes around,comes around,goes around,comes around,goes arou...... No one should consider the effects of climate change on the habitat in a new area as compared with one's present possible future habitat.


You don't need to run from the pandemic. Most people might get a cough. Most don't get anything at all. The only thing you need to run from is draconian lockdowns.
13   mell   2020 Jun 13, 4:48pm  

Right it's imbecilic to fear this - you have to extremely unlucky like with any other catastrophe that could happen. My ~50 yr old cousin overseas had it and didn't have any symptoms except for loss of smell/taste. Not even cold symptoms, he kept working every day and because almost the whole family caught it he was tested and had high levels of antibodies rendering him immune.
14   RC2006   2020 Jun 13, 4:51pm  

My wife is saying the same. We've looked at Oregon and TX. Now we are looking at Boise Idaho, taking a trip there next month to check it out.
Family been here for a hundred years it's almost unimaginable how bad liberals have destroyed it over the last 30-40 years.
15   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jun 13, 4:57pm  

RC2006 says
My wife is saying the same. We've looked at Oregon and TX. No we are looking at Boise Idaho, taking a trip there next month to check it out.
Family been here for a hundred years it's almost unimaginable how bad liberals have destroyed it over the last 30-40 years.


The govt entity I work for...Idaho and Texas seem to be the most popular destinations. It’s actually like a flood leaving California.
16   Booger   2020 Jun 13, 5:08pm  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Other places I’d look at are Tennessee and South Carolina, but jobs are a consideration in both places as are winters in Tennessee.


You are concerned about winter in Tennessee????? WTF???
17   Onvacation   2020 Jun 13, 5:09pm  

If you move, go somewhere and rent for at least a year.

I fell in love with Portland Oregon back in the mid 90s while on business in the spring and fall. Job ended in California so I started looking in Portland.

New job within a week.

I discovered ice storms and months on end with NO sun. Still like Portland but wouldn't want to live there.

Back in Cali within 20 miles of where I was born.

We consider leaving when we retire, but not sure where to go. I like Port Townsend WA area but not sure I could handle the weather. Want to be close to the water.
18   Dholliday126   2020 Jun 13, 5:12pm  

The problem is where are you going to go, once TX or FL go blue it's over.

They will dismantle our history, install the new history; dismantle religion and install their own religion. If you're white you're a racist, Christian a bigot. Its coming, there won't be too many place to hide. Just start to unplug from the system; live cheap, have assets so as they destroy the dollar you wont go broke, live out of the city where its white, have lots of kids and get to church. Just try to ride out the 4th turning while all these cultural marxists, moral relativists eat one another alive.
19   PeopleUnited   2020 Jun 13, 5:24pm  

I think you are right Dholliday126. In 10 years there will be a new world dictator and only state sanctioned religion and politically correct speech and thought will be tolerated. The offenders who violate the new world government will be separated from their heads.
20   Kepi   2020 Jun 13, 5:46pm  

Ceffer says
Then, it got crazier. They air dropped the ghetto across from our nice neighborhood, and the neighborhood itself started losing all resemblance to a Western paradigm.


You are being quite generous with information. I wonder if you would expand on "air dropped the ghetto." Quite an image.
21   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jun 13, 5:51pm  

Booger says
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Other places I’d look at are Tennessee and South Carolina, but jobs are a consideration in both places as are winters in Tennessee.


You are concerned about winter in Tennessee????? WTF???


I’m born and raised Los Angeles.

That’s Big Bear winter weather which means cold and snow.

Its cold to me...
22   clambo   2020 Jun 13, 6:06pm  

By coincidence I am in Santa Cruz after a 5 year hiatus in the best area of Florida.

Florida was okay but I remember disliking the rainy summers and heat, it can be tiring.
Boating was great as was scuba diving if you do that. Surf was almost nonexistent.

Downtown Santa Cruz is a shock and crowds, traffic, politics all suck.

The crazies have taken over, and many foolish people feel sorry for them.

I feel the slight sensation of a target on my back as a white male.

I once lived in Oregon from summer until late October, the rain up there would kill me during the winter.

I liked Baja California Sur Mexico but I am bilingual and know the area well. I’m only worried about any medical problem not being treated in time, I have geezer thoughts after my time in Florida. In Mexico you aren’t minutes away from medical treatment.

Avoiding the Santa Cruz downtown area and going to beaches or even west cliff leaves bums and craziness behind.

I may return to Florida as a tax strategy someday.

What I miss when not in California is the weather and the views.

My neighbor is from Idaho and she thinks she will go back someday. I don’t know how high taxes are up there. It might be attractive if you could escape the winter for a warmer place.
23   Patrick   2020 Jun 13, 6:17pm  

mell says
Portland going to shit long time ago already like SF.


Sadly, this is true. I use to think Portland was the place I wanted to be, but I visited and was disgusted and a bit worried for my physical safety.

Then I visited again, and it was even worse.
24   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jun 13, 6:19pm  

Dholliday126 says
They will dismantle our history, install the new history; dismantle religion and install their own religion. If you're white you're a racist, Christian a bigot. Its coming, there won't be too many place to hide. Just start to unplug from the system; live cheap, have assets so as they destroy the dollar you wont go broke, live out of the city where its white, have lots of kids and get to church. Just try to ride out the 4th turning while all these cultural marxists, moral relativists eat one another alive.
PeopleUnited says
I think you are right Dholliday126. In 10 years there will be a new world dictator and only state sanctioned religion and politically correct speech and thought will be tolerated. The offenders who violate the new world government will be separated from their heads.


Be of good hope: Demographics says the Mormons, Amish, Evangelicals, and Calvinists will very soon dwarf the secular Liberals. And they start from a base much larger than Islamic Immigrants.

Leftist Harridans don't replace themselves: Birthrates below 1.5, 2.1 is replacement. Mormons, Hassidics, and "Quiverful" Protestants have 3 or more on average

You'd also be shocked at how rapidly fundamentalist Protestantism is sweeping Latin America and accounts for a huge percentage of Latin American immigrants, sometimes before they cross.

The Methodist Church was already rescued from Amherst Lesbians by African and Korean traditionalists. Nobody saw that coming; the Methodists were expected to be the first church that fully embraced LGBTQABC123, now they're the first mainline church to reject it. The Book of Discipline remains.

Mormons are more likely than Muslims to marry within the Faith, they are net neutral for conversions/abandonment, and have an average of 3.4 children. Mormons in GenX still had 2.54, way above replacement rate, and Mormonism is one of the few Faiths in the US where women want more kids than the men do (3.2 vs. 2.6)
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/22/mormons-more-likely-to-marry-have-more-children-than-other-u-s-religious-groups/

In 10-15 years the country is going to be a very, very different place.

One of the reasons the tide may be rushing in with maximum assistance from the Ultra Wealthy for Borderless Bureaucratic Corporate Socialism, is their cognizance of the situation.
25   Patrick   2020 Jun 13, 6:26pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Leftist Harridans don't replace themselves


This is true and is cause for hope, but feminism/leftism is like an endemic disease which infects the brains of the mentally healthy young and renders them insane and sterile. It's usually transmitted at universities, and the real irony is that parents pay to have their children infected this way.

The feminist/leftist mental infection can go on forever, potentially, as long as it doesn't completely overtake the healthy population which has families and children and cut off its own source of victims. There's a reason that gays call people with normal sexuality "breeders".
26   Onvacation   2020 Jun 13, 6:28pm  

I enjoyed my year in Portland 25 years ago. Fun blues scene, lots of nature nearby, and decent transportation. I loved Powell's bookstore and Rocco's pizza. Good microbrews. There was a weird tatted and pierced subculture but they seemed harmless. Anyone with any skills and experience could get a good paying IT job.

But the weather. If it didn't rain for a week in summer it started to smell. I went 70 days straight without sun. I got a better offer in San Diego before my year lease was up and moved on.
27   Onvacation   2020 Jun 13, 6:30pm  

Patrick says
Then I visited again, and it was even worse.

Portland was pretty squalid when I last visited in 2010. I imagine antifa has not helped.
28   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jun 13, 6:31pm  

Patrick says


This is true and is cause for hope, but feminism/leftism is like an endemic disease which infects the brains of the mentally healthy young and renders them insane and sterile. It's usually transmitted at universities, and the real irony is that parents pay to have their children infected this way.

The feminist/leftist mental infection can go on forever, potentially, as long as it doesn't completely overtake the healthy population which has families and children and cut off its own source of victims. There's a reason that gays call people with normal sexuality "breeders".


Right, this is a huge problem. However, an advantage is, parents that are traditional, having large families and often a stay-at-home or parttime mother, are going to be far, far more active in K-12 affairs.

I believe working mothers allowed Leftist Radicals to infiltrate the curriculum and schools simply by default in the 80s and 90s; there was nobody there to stop them. In the future, it won't be the case.

Another great advantage Fundamentalists have is that they often disavow wayward kids (that means leaving the Faith comes with costs, loss of friends/family & inheritance, unlike in mainline/secular society) AND, they build Parallel Institutions.

The best thing to push right now is for School Vouchers. Leftists hate it, and it's not just because of the Teacher's Union, but because if you could take your $10k/kid/year to the Catholic Church, the Jesus is Lord School, or the Classical Academy High School, there goes the propaganda imprisonment from Public School.

Somewhat off topic: Anybody else notice that general "religion news" websites are often the most Pozzed?
29   BayArea   2020 Jun 13, 6:34pm  

Patrick says
mell says
Portland going to shit long time ago already like SF.


Sadly, this is true. I use to think Portland was the place I wanted to be, but I visited and was disgusted and a bit worried for my physical safety.

Then I visited again, and it was even worse.


Everywhere I went was purple hair and Emo.
30   GNL   2020 Jun 13, 6:35pm  

clambo says
I feel the slight sensation of a target on my back as a white male.

Trust your gut.
31   Bd6r   2020 Jun 13, 6:40pm  

Dholliday126 says
The problem is where are you going to go, once TX or FL go blue it's over.

They will dismantle our history, install the new history; dismantle religion and install their own religion. If you're white you're a racist, Christian a bigot. Its coming, there won't be too many place to hide. Just start to unplug from the system; live cheap, have assets so as they destroy the dollar you wont go broke, live out of the city where its white, have lots of kids and get to church. Just try to ride out the 4th turning while all these cultural marxists, moral relativists eat one another alive.

Talk to TX Hispanics outside big cities, you will regain hope. Corpus I mentioned above is ca. 50% Hispanic, and to be honest, I's rather live among TX Hispanics than among CA whites (bless heart of CA inhabitants here). Exception: new generation of yuppie Hispanics in large cities, they are just as insane as white yuppies.
32   theoakman   2020 Jun 13, 6:59pm  

I'm getting jealous of my cousins that moved from Boston to Florida. They have been eating out in Florida for a month. Posting pictures on facebook. Now, they are on vacation. I saw them eating out at a picnic table in New Hampshire and now Maine. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, Murphy is marching with BLM and still has us banned from getting a haircut, sitting at a picnic table, or allowing our kids on a public playground.
33   Shaman   2020 Jun 13, 7:22pm  

Santa Cruz might be your problem. Plenty of normal communities out there, but that one is not. Not even a little.
My suggestion: don’t be scared to live in a mixed neighborhood with blue collar people and a fairly good mix of Latinos. People are more real and more fun.
34   AD   2020 Jun 13, 7:23pm  

Ceffer says
Don't know how this will pan out, but we will be shopping for locales. I will miss surfing and the ocean, but they even shut that down for a while.


Florida panhandle from Pensacola to Panama City Beach.......

or Alabama Gulf Shores or Orange Beach or Florabama .....
35   RC2006   2020 Jun 13, 7:45pm  

Taxes in Boise 40+% less, very mild winters, 350k buys nice house, very white, can own whatever gun I want, and lots of outdoor stuff.

I would consider Oregon but not in or near Portland.

TX seems ok but not my cup oh tea I had to work in Dallas for a month and didn't like the heat.
36   Ceffer   2020 Jun 13, 8:21pm  

The areas from Bend Oregon on the eastern side of the Cascades up through Hood River and the Columbia River Gorge are reputedly conservative without the winter rain and overcast blues. However, I know one guy who spends eight months in Hood River and four months in Maui because he still doesn't like the winters in Hood River. Lots of wind surfing and paddle surfing in the Columbia River Gorge. Problem would be selling the wife on it.

I wouldn't mind Idaho. The further north you go, one would have to consider wintering in another area. Of course, other considerations are quality of health care, entertainments etc. I used to think I would like to be in some kind of college town, but with the progressives putting virtually every institution and its environs in the crapper, I'm not so sure now.

General problem is populations of dirtbags have increased all over the USA, and many areas that used to be OK to nice aren't any more, and they are all crowded, too.

I know one guy who retired in the Sierra Vista area of Arizona (high desert 4-5000 ft for milder climate) and liked it very much. He speaks Spanish, but the communities are very nice and mixed without gang bangers.

My wife is from New Orleans, and the areas from Bay St. Louis through to Pascagoula used to be very nice, but they get bowled by hurricanes quite often.

I would actually be OK with select areas of Utah, but my wife is nyet.
37   clambo   2020 Jun 14, 9:12am  

I have met people from New Mexico who liked it there.
38   Patrick   2020 Jun 14, 10:13am  

I want to live near family. One regret about California is that we don't have many relatives here. I hunted down a few in the Bay Area and that was fun, but I miss the experience I had as a kid in southwest suburban Chicago. It was objectively shit, as in train tracks and trucking, pollution and crime, but I could walk to relatives, and had tons more in easy driving distance. There was none of this alienation which is so common now.

So we think of places we have relatives nearby, but tbh none of them are very appealing. So that leads to inertia and we just stay here, where we have at least accumulated a lot of acquaintances and some friends.

Sometimes I dream about moving to Ireland. I've loved it every time I went, 6x now, but we know very few people there. One cousin married an Irish guy and moved there and is churning out kids. Then again, Dublin has gotten worse each time I've been there. The north side of the Liffey is not Irish at all anymore, and more than a little dangerous looking. And the poz is visible.
39   socal2   2020 Jun 14, 10:31am  

There are still many pockets of sanity in Coastal California that haven't been totally ruined and worth sticking it out. I am so fortunate to live in Carlsbad and have access to world class surf all year round with sane communities, strong economic base and good local government. I can't imagine moving back to Chicago or Indianapolis where I grew up. Especially Chicago - no fucking way.

Don't abandon paradise to the Commies, race hustlers and weirdos, get involved and fight. This is a great cycle for local Conservative politicians to make the contrast to the train-wrecks of Seattle, LA, New York, Minneapolis and other cities dominated by Progressives.

Go after their main source of funding/corruption (Public Sector Unions) and hang it around their necks if they want to talk shit about defunding the police or some "re-imagining" of the police force. Same deal with Teachers Unions. The Pension crisis is blowing up in real time. Lots of people being red-pilled over the lockdowns and riots.

Perfect storm for Republicans (or at least some Moderate Dems) to sweep alot locals seats in California if we take advantage of this moment.
40   just_passing_through   2020 Jun 14, 12:36pm  

rd6B says
Corpus


No joke about it being boring I have family from there and visited a lot as a kid. Not only that people are very poor there. The cars are all rusted out, not just peeling paint like SD. The water is pretty nasty as well. Lots of clay in the sand and tar. When you leave the beach you will have tar stuck to your lower extremities. I think it gets worse as you head East towards Galveston? It gets pretty darn nice the closer you get to Mexico though. S. Padre has (had?) nice clean white sand beaches.

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