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Time says?

This Time magazine?



Who cares what THEY say? They aren't trustworthy.

And they haven't been for a long, long time.

So, let's recoup: a police office uses department-approved restraint on a subject who clearly exhibited active resistance to render him unconscious.

Where is the violation?

richwicks says

Time says?

This Time magazine?
Who cares what THEY say? They aren't trustworthy.

Fact-check them and report back.

If used to render unconsciousness, I am surprised that in 44 incidents there was only a single death. As stated, it is 'only' Time magazine poop chute news stating that unconsciousness was actually the goal of the maneuver.

NBC:

"The version of the Minneapolis Police Department's policy manual that is available on-line, however, does permit the use of neck restraints that can render suspects unconscious, and the protocol for their use has not been updated for more than eight years."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-police-rendered-44-people-unconscious-neck-restraints-five-years-n1220416

FuckCCP89 says

richwicks says

Time says?

This Time magazine?
Who cares what THEY say? They aren't trustworthy.

Fact-check them and report back.

No, corporate media is absolutely notorious for flinging shit at the wall to see what sticks.

Nothing corporate bullshit says should be taken any more seriously than you'd take a statement from a compulsive liar. I never waste my time to see if something corporate propaganda is "true" or not - it's not worth the effort. They lie more often than they tell the truth, and even when they tell the truth, they give you incomplete information about it, so you're getting at best a skewed viewpoint.

They really have no credibility at all.

NY Post:

"The use of neck restraints by Minneapolis cops is permitted on a person who is “exhibiting active aggression,” for life-saving purposes and on those who show “active resistance” in order to gain control of the person, according to an online version of the department’s policy manual."

https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/minneapolis-cops-left-44-people-unconscious-with-neck-restraints/

richwicks says

Fact-check them and report back.

No, corporate media is absolutely notorious for flinging shit at the wall to see what sticks.

Ok, you lazy bum, I'll do it for you:

"5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

DEFINITIONS I.

Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.

The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)
The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)
On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
For life saving purposes, or;
On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.
Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)
After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)
After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject."


http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

you boys think you saw riots? Just wait till officers are acquitted, that'll light the place on fire. Of course my bet is that the government will convict the officers, just because they are afraid of riots.

George Floyd was high as shit causing him to have a heart attack from the neck restraint.

He was also a lifelong violent criminal.

The cops are at fault here BUT, the left glorfying him like MLK is just fucking insane.

FortWayneIndiana says

you boys think you saw riots? Just wait till officers are acquitted, that'll light the place on fire.

One can never be certain, but I would speculate probably not, except for token stuff. Rodney King wound up being paid off, and the police never touched him for anything after that, even though he was documented regularly drunk driving, soliciting, getting into trouble with hookers, assault, impaired in public, wrecking cars etc. etc. They basically gave that one person what that community seems to crave: free license to engage in any antisocial behavior without consequences.

They kind of already shot their riot wad on this one, and riots weren't about an asphalt lynching of a junkie crook, they were a tinder point for a prepared and organized series of events. Sanctifying a druggie, counterfeiter, and general all around petty criminal does have its limits. The great flip of portraying him as a Harvard bound innocent saint, devoted family person, and community asset is already tarnishing a bit. It's the rinse repeat cycle of secondary gain.

joshuatrio says

The cops are at fault here

I'm not sure of that anymore. At fault of what? Using non-deadly force option from the department-approved manual? What if they used Taser instead? There is a high probability a man with such a pharmacy in his bloodstream as that Floyd dude had would have suffered heart attrack from the electric shock.

Could have been sheer coincidence that perhaps Floyd was in process of dying anyway on the spot, and the police were just fucked by the fickle finger of fate.

How come Minneapolis doesn't have a LibbyFuck Coroner who could have hidden or gaslighted these facts? i think somebody is going to be looking for a job and a job opportunity for pliable political shill will be opening up shortly in the Coroner's office.

come on guys, lets be honest, he probably died from COVID-19 anyway. They seem to label every death with that now a days.

Man wasn't socially distancing, no mask... clearly asking for COVID.

I'd say it's 70/30 the cops mostly don't get convicted on serious charges.

He had enough fentanyl that would be deadly in most people in his bloodstream. Only reason it didn't kill him right off the bat was probably tolerance due to frequent use.

The Medical Experts will have a field day talking about how his metamphetamine-fenatyl speedball was almost certainly the main factor in his heart attack.

NoCoupForYou says

He had enough fentanyl that would be deadly in most people in his bloodstream. Only reason it didn't kill him right off the bat was probably tolerance due to frequent use.

What if he took some drugs while sitting in his car right before the police has arrived? To not be found in possession if no other reason.

FortWayneIndiana says

you boys think you saw riots? Just wait till officers are acquitted, that'll light the place on fire. Of course my bet is that the government will convict the officers, just because they are afraid of riots.

Yeah, they'll convict the officers because they are afraid of riots and ONLY because they are afraid of riots.

But make no mistake about it - those officers should be convicted anyhow.

Here's my bet, they'll get some seemingly harsh sentence, and be out in under 2 years.

Remember the shooting of Walter Scott: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott

Slager was sentenced to 20 years. See? Sometimes justice DOES work..

Fentanyl can engender 'wooden chest' syndrome, where the diaphragm fails to work properly as well as cardiopulmonary arrest.

"“We must also be mindful of the milligram amount of fentanyl bolus doses, which if sufficiently high, may trigger this chest wall rigidity phenomenon,” she continued. “Particularly frightening is the fact that naloxone does not seem to reverse this toxicity.""

Addiction pundits are prone to claim this is not significant in street deaths, but lots of dead fentanyl junkies beg to differ.

I'm not sure if what they did was considered an "Unconscious Neck Restraint", but if it was:

Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints.

That suggests there's more details in the training regarding appropriate usage details.

After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)
After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.

That part did say they're supposed to keep the suspect under close observation, after using the maneuver on him.

I have a hard time believing that they would train cops to use a choke hold that drives someone to unconsciousness, and not also include anything about stopping before you eventually kill him. The cop seems like he should have been aware Floyd had stopped moving, at which point he should have switched to observing him. Or maybe they're trained to keep applying the choke for 30 seconds or whatever past stillness for good measure, but going for minutes just seems careless.

richwicks says

This Time magazine?

This Time magazine

But wait, there is more: apparently holy California allows the same method of neck restraint.

BBC: "On Friday, Minneapolis banned the police neck restraint allegedly used on Mr Floyd, and California pledged to follow suit."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52941258