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This is how the left creates the right.

Patrick says

This is how the left creates the right.

I don't see any right on that video: neither before, nor after. Now, if they have thrown some chairs back at these fucks...

FuckCCP89 says

I don't see any right on that video: neither before, nor after.

Trust me, this guy is rethinking his position.

He was like "WTF? I'm on YOUR side!!!"

Now he's like "What side are THEY on?"

It may not be immediate, or even ever, but if he's like a standard human being he's in the process of realizing that these people are using the guise of protest just to be criminal thugs.

Like they say, nobody killed more Communists than Stalin. The rise to power demands the liquidation not only of opposition, but of any threatening consolidations amongst your avid supporters and allies.

TrumpingTits says

See, whether they like it or not, the coming Yugo-Rwandan Style strife will force everybody into one racial group or another, whether they like it or not. They will have to for their own safety and protection of their own property.

You're thinking of those thugs throwing rocks through windows as "black". No, they're just fucking thugs.

Those stupid white kids getting their windows broken, they are thinking of those thugs as just being "black and repressed". No - they're just fucking thugs.

That's the division. It's not between different racial groups, it's between criminals, and the rest of us.

Now the government can just get rid of the thugs if they want to - that's easy to do - especially today, but if they did that, we wouldn't need the government would we? There's a certain level of criminality allowed to exist in order to create support for the very existence of government.

TrumpingTits says

richwicks says

That's the division. It's not between different racial groups, it's between criminals, and the rest of us

Cognitive Dissonance can be a real bitch. I get that.

I do not often experience cognitive dissonance. When I do, I immediately find out which conflicting beliefs I have is incorrect, and eliminate that one. I've been doing this for over 20 years. Because I've done this for so long, that is why I rarely experience cognitive dissonance.

If you think I have two conflicting positions - you point each one out to me and explain how they conflict, and I guarantee if they do conflict, I will drop one of those positions.

I will immediately admit I'm wrong when I am wrong. This is because I prefer to be right as often as possible.

If you truly think I've got erroneous thinking please explain it to me. I may very well be wrong. I don't understand how I am though with your comment. But I will honestly listen to your thinking process and evaluate mine.

In reference to Trumping Tits

I really am serious about being challenged in my beliefs. You said I was experiencing cognitive dissonance. If you actually believe this to be true, please explain it to me. I am sincere when I ask you to correct what you think is a defect in my thinking. However, I think you have defective thinking - which is nothing to be embarrassed by. I will readily accept I am wrong, if I'm wrong. It would benefit you in the long term if you did as well.

TrumpingTits says

Patrick says

This is how the left creates the right.

Conservatives are Liberals who have been mugged by Reality. Libertarians are Conservatives who have ever been arrested.

Ha! This is kinda true. I have much stronger leanings towards civil liberties than some of my other conservative friends. Never been arrested but I’ve definitely dabbled in some of the more subversive things in life. As a result I’ve been pulled over by police probably 40 times in my life. Most of those the cop had a legit reasonable suspicion or probably cause. But a few times they had none. And that’s when I learned that the cops don’t pull people over due to race. They will however use any excuse to pull people over in high crime areas. If they find something and have to fabricate probably cause later, that’s what they’ll do. One of the most epic was LA Sheriffs stopped me in a real rough area. I was driving a very nice luxury sports car that was fairly new and had full tint all the way around. I hadn’t broken any traffic laws and no physical defects on my car. They pulled me over in the middle of a side street(no street parking available) blocking the entire street. They didn’t ask for drivers license or insurance like norma. Instead they asked if I had any guns or drugs. I said no. They said they didn’t care that I was in that area...they just wanted to see who I was and that I wasn’t doing anything dangerous.

Mild inconvenience but kinda seems lazy to me. I don’t think police ought to be doing stuff like that even if it leads to them catching a few more criminals.

richwicks says

In reference to Trumping Tits

I really am serious about being challenged in my beliefs. You said I was experiencing cognitive dissonance. If you actually believe this to be true, please explain it to me. I am sincere when I ask you to correct what you think is a defect in my thinking. However, I think you have defective thinking - which is nothing to be embarrassed by. I will readily accept I am wrong, if I'm wrong. It would benefit you in the long term if you did as well.

This is why I like you. I can see we only agree on maybe 50% of things. But you are reasonable. I dunno what you’ve been doing in the few years since you signed up here but I enjoy reading your perspective even if I don’t agree. The lefty posters here won’t give ground ever. Except Marcus. He will occasionally acknowledge someone else has a point.

It’s a good quality and I wish more people were more open minded. Hard to do when people keep citing miserably biased news sources like NYT and WaPo as authoritative.

So called Libertarians have been deathly quiet this whole year. Actuall throughout Trump's whole admiinstration.
They seem to have become very comfortable with a big government so big it can go after the President and his Supporters.

Which is why Labels like Libertarians, Liberal, and Socialist, are all just a con, to suck people in and coral them into voting for the masters they do the bidding for.

Real people with something to say, usually run and Independent or trying to reform one of the two major parties. They are loathed and disposed by the media and both parties alike.
Libertarian candidates always spring up with someone threatens to defeat one of the establishment candidates. Libertarians are useful idiots or pussies.
They don't believe in anything. They just want you to think they are so smart because of the way they trash the outsider candidates, like only they can save us from Big over reaching government. They sure don't mind now!

They have always bothered the shit out of me, and I could never put my finger on it. The lock-down, the way they tried to impeach Trump, the last four years in general.
There's no Libertarian force speaking up. None Nada Zip!

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

This is why I like you. I can see we only agree on maybe 50% of things. But you are reasonable. I dunno what you’ve been doing in the few years since you signed up here but I enjoy reading your perspective even if I don’t agree.

If I am wrong in your opinion, let me know. Perhaps I am wrong, I'll readily accept it.

I really want to know when I am wrong. I am not humiliated for being shown to be incorrect but I am 100% certain I am correct - I know that's not true. I want to be challenged and corrected. I need help to understand when I'm in error - we all do. I've done this for years, I want honest evaluation of my thinking and I hate being wrong. When I'm talking bullshit, please point it out.

Having said that, consider you may be in error too. We can disagree, but either one of us is wrong - and it's very possible we are both wrong.

richwicks says

I want honest evaluation of my thinking and I hate being wrong. When I'm talking bullshit, please point it out.

Old saying: "It's all bullshit. What is important is that you BELIEVE in your own bullshit".

TrumpingTits says

Btw, what race are all these thugs looting a moving train?

I see that they are black.

But before I see that, I just see criminals.

Perhaps criminality is more ingrained in a certain race - I think you may believe that, but I don't want to eliminate a race, I want to eliminate criminality.

Systemic racism still exists. Predominately black schools get poor education. A black person caught with crack goes to jail for 15 years, but a white person with cocaine gets off. We really have an uneven justice system. There may be more criminals in the black community than the white community. Focus on criminality and sentencing must be blind to race.

One of the most brilliant people I know is a black Ethiopian. I have tremendous respect for his intellect. He is smarter than you and certainly me. Please stop looking at what happens within a race, and look at the individuals even if black people are more likely to be criminal. We are all drawn to see patterns, you are seeing race, but what you should be seeing is criminality. I know excellent, well educated, kind, honest black men. I don't want you to be suspicious of them simply because they are black. They are good instances of good people.

Tenpoundbass says

They have always bothered the shit out of me, and I could never put my finger on it. The lock-down, the way they tried to impeach Trump, the last four years in general.

Libertarians think that China will become LiberWoke on day and just remove their tariffs and non-tariff trade barriers, but it's fascist to have retaliatory tariffs on them after 25 years on non-reciprocal one-sided free trade.

Look at Justin Amash, that guy outsourced a shitload of jobs. It's basically how he made his fortune. He's also super left on immigration, voting against penalties and funding to get rid of illegal immigrants.

richwicks says

One of the most brilliant people I know is a black Ethiopian.

Yeah, real Africans do very well. I think I read better than Asians when the move to the US.

Those with roots in the US are generally 30% Caucasian and culturally much much different. That is the problem: culture

I've known many cool black peeps from work or wherever but it's because of this culture that I never want to live around them and if I had a choice I'd be done paying for their shit with my taxes.

I mean c'mon. Looting a fucking moving train! That is the most ghetto shit ever. More ghetto than all the ghetto's from all the races going back into antiquity.

They were doing okay before the demoncrats ruined them with their 'Great Society' plan. I suspect if that never happened the vast majority would currently be just like anybody else.

On the other hand, demoncrats or not these are their choices as a culture. That is ultimately where to lay the blame.

In response to just_dregalicious

I don't disagree with you.

I'm simply urging you to be blind to race.

Welfare is used to subjugate them, not to help them - and they are too unaware to recognize this. Please recognize, the parties exist to divide us. I want a moral, stable society without criminals - you do as well. Our government does not. It's a criminal syndicate and they want to keep us distracted. Don't get distracted.

richwicks says

A black person caught with crack goes to jail for 15 years, but a white person with cocaine gets off. We really have an uneven justice system. There may be more criminals in the black community than the white community. Focus on criminality and sentencing must be blind to race.

This part isn’t true but you won’t know unless you work in the justice system. Literally each individual case has way too many moving parts for the media to accurately describe. So a whole host of factors are involved. The biggest is that drug addicts in most, if not all, of the country have to reoffend so many times to get sentenced to any prison times that it borders on preposterous. I’m too tired to post an entire dissertation on the matter but the idea that people are sentenced disproportionally based on race is ridiculously wrong. Far more often the sentencing, when it finally comes, is related to past criminal history though there’s probably about 10 other factors involved.

Honestly I’m just too lazy to keep going, but if you can spend a month in your local criminal courthouse(preferably the drug court) your opinion would change.

richwicks says

I'm simply urging you to be blind to race.

Yeah man... I am once someone proves to me they are okay but most often I don't give the benefit of the doubt anymore. Or if they're just doing normal stuff like grocery shopping.

There is a correlation with race that you just can't get around unless you're (not you in particular) delusional.

I wasn't always this way, quite the opposite in fact. I've known a lot of oldsters growing up and some were from the 19th century. It used to shock me some of the 'racist' shit they'd say. I just considered that a defect.

Over time, a long time, I've come to LEARN they may have had a damn good reason.

Plus I'm getting damn sick and tired of all the racism against white people these days. I can't think of a single time in all my life where I was hanging out with my gen-X white pals and we said disparaging things about black people or discussed race at all. But black people (and Mexicans; not TexMex who are cool) it's all race-this, race-that., so fuck em.

Also, I'm a genetics scientist and beyond all the stoopid stuff people do I do in fact thing the races are interesting. I'd have a much more boring job otherwise.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

This part isn’t true but you won’t know unless you work in the justice system. Literally each individual case has way too many moving parts for the media to accurately describe. So a whole host of factors are involved. The biggest is that drug addicts in most, if not all, of the country have to reoffend so many times to get sentenced to any prison times that it borders on preposterous. I’m too tired to post an entire dissertation on the matter but the idea that people are sentenced disproportionally based on race is ridiculously wrong

If this is true, I'm incorrect. I do not work in the criminal justice system. Are you certain what you said is correct?

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Honestly I’m just too lazy to keep going, but if you can spend a month in your local criminal courthouse(preferably the drug court) your opinion would change.

That's the bitch of it, I don't have the time.

I am very receptive to being wrong - but none of us thinks they are wrong. I need to be educated about my error, if I am in error.

Just saw that #StayAtHome ad on Youtube.

Laughed my ass off.

It's like that scene in some Dystopian Movie where they are like "Big Sister Loves You She wants You to be Warm and Safe and Not Full of Hate" and you laugh at the propaganda.