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There are large differences in innate intelligence by race

By Patrick follow Patrick   2020 May 23, 8:05pm 653 views   43 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://newsrescue.com/blacks-especially-igbos-prove-more-intelligent-than-whites-including-the-asian-leaders/

The weird thing: most blacks are depressingly low on the IQ scale, except one group: the Igbo of Nigeria.

The Igbo are so far above other blacks that they are above whites and Asians too. The Igbo seem to be genetically about the smartest people on earth. Would be interesting to compare their test results to those of Jews.

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1   ad   ignore (0)   2020 May 23, 8:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

My medical doctor in Manassas, VA was Igbo. I think he was US Army Special Forces first and then got out and went to medical school.

I had a few Igbo classmates in grad school in Ann Arbor also in Mechanical Engineering and Industrial Engineering departments.
2   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2020 May 23, 8:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It's culture, low caste Indians were once considered the lowest IQ people on the planet. Because all they were used for was hard manual slave labor.
Today they are running every IT department in the world.

The early 2000's outsourcing effort could have just as easily went to Africa. Bill Gates would have sent the knowledge base there instead of India.
Could have just as easily been our Congressmen and Senators fighting for more HB1 visas for more Nigerians, and Congolese tech workers.
3   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 23, 8:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Word of the day @Patrick: Akata

From Yoruba (one of the high IQ African Groups) meaning Alley or Undomesticated Cat; mischevious never-do-well.

West African immigrants warn their kids not to hang with Akatas, listen to Akata Music, dress like an Akata.

I think you can guess that Akata is not used to refer to Vietnamese, Midwestern Whites, or Jews.
4   ad   ignore (0)   2020 May 23, 8:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
Could have just as easily been our Congressmen and Senators fighting for more HB1 visas for more Nigerians, and Congolese tech workers.


I remember going through some engineering grad schools like at Virginia Tech and Maryland. You see "black students" and talk with them. Then you realize they are from Africa instantly when they start talking. I recall when I was studying info tech at Maryland there were several African students on scholarship through US AID.

That's true about Indians that were once at the bottom of the caste. It has mostly to do with environment and conditioning.
5   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 23, 8:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tel Aviv University: Oriental Jews 14 IQ Points lower on average than Ashkenazim.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17052383/

Another explanation: The half-dozen or so Italian or Corsican/Sardinian Women that DNA suggests founded the Ashkenazi branch were very smart.
6   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 23, 8:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ad says
That's true about Indians that were once at the bottom of the caste. It has mostly to do with environment and conditioning.


Pressure makes diamonds, could be that hustling for existence as an untouchable makes better brains in the Long Term, while being a fat happy Brahmin living off the fat of other's labor does not.

Bad times create Good Men who create Good Times; Good times create Weak Men who create Bad Times.

Another good explanation is necessity of Abstract Thought. The smartest groups of humans seem to be or have been Herders and Maritime People.

Traditional Farming is a spray and pray affair. Figuring out whether to cross the mountain pass with your herd for better grazing, or guess when the storm is coming or where the fish will be, involves far more abstract thought.
7   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 May 23, 8:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
The early 2000's outsourcing effort could have just as easily went to Africa.


Nope. India uses english as their official language and setup mass higher education systems decades ago.
8   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 23, 9:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says
Word of the day Patrick: Akata


Thanks, didn't know that one. Lol, the first three search results are all DENIALS of the meaning, which makes that meaning about 100% certain:

Contrary to popular opinion among non-Yorubas and some Nigerians or Africans who does not understand this word, akata does not mean coton picker or slave and it is not derogatory.


The term is falsely believed to be a derogatory term used by Yoruba Nigerians and other West Africans to refer to a black person or Yoruba person who is born in the United States or a black person who was born somewhere other than Africa.


Akata is a Yoruba word that means "wild animal" and is contextually applied to Black Americans. This piece discusses why that is problematic and why we should not claim the term.


OK, Akata means the typical US black ghetto American.

I worked at a tech company with a black guy who really impressed me with his programming skills. To be honest, this had never happened before, so I asked one day about his heritage. His mother was Belgian, and he said his father was from Nigeria. So I asked what tribe. Yup, Igbo. OK, it's an anecdote, but extremely consistent anecdotes add up to science.

I'm sure there's a bell curve among the Igbo too, but it does seem to be a fact that different racial and ethnic groups have different average intelligence.
9   ad   ignore (0)   2020 May 23, 9:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

"Pressure makes diamonds, could be that hustling for existence as an untouchable makes better brains in the Long Term, while being a fat happy Brahmin living off the fat of other's labor does not."

It has to do with environment. If you improve it for several generations then you will see improvement in IQ testing.

The Igbo may have realized a good environment for their tribes by ensuring prosperity and peace through fair and transparent governance. That then has an effect on the population, and results in continuous improvement and productivity gains from one generation to the next.
10   Reality   ignore (8)   2020 May 23, 10:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ad says
The Igbo may have realized a good environment for their tribes by ensuring prosperity and peace through fair and transparent governance. That then has an effect on the population, and results in continuous improvement and productivity gains from one generation to the next.


They were and are usually the targets/victims of pogroms.

Likewise for the lowest caste of India, after their ancestors built the Hrappan civilization of Indus valley (which as far as we know were the first people who invented indoor plumbing, some 1500 years before Romans reinvented it, and another 1500 years before the English reinvented it yet again), the invading original "Aryans" invented the caste system to run pogroms against the native darker skinned Indians and condemned them to the lowest caste, and gradually drove them to the southern parts of (what is later known as) India.

What I suspect happening is that success in commerce led those people to have very expensive daughters, which led to demographic collapse and invasion by barbarians. Subsequent repeated pogroms keep selecting/trimming the population.

The same thing applies to East Asians too: their civilization reached peak before unification by the state of Chin some 2000+ years ago (they had city states before then), with some after-glow during periods of fragmentation. Especially after conquest by Mongols around 800 years ago, they have been targets/victims of repeated pogroms in their own land.
11   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 May 23, 10:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
It's culture, low caste Indians were once considered the lowest IQ people on the planet. Because all they were used for was hard manual slave labor.
Today they are running every IT department in the world.

The early 2000's outsourcing effort could have just as easily went to Africa. Bill Gates would have sent the knowledge base there instead of India.
Could have just as easily been our Congressmen and Senators fighting for more HB1 visas for more Nigerians, and Congolese tech workers.


Not really. The caste system stratified marriage, bloodlines, and intelligence as well, with the Brahmin and Kshatriya among the brightest (IQ 110, by some measures), and lower castes accounting for India's miserable IQ and PISA scores. Indian immigrants aren't necessarily the brightest anymore, with our lax H1B system, false credentials, and nepotistic hiring managers. But we're not seeing Dalit tech workers in any numbers.

This is an interesting read if you'd like the non-PC take: https://akarlin.com/2012/08/the-puzzle-of-indian-iq-a-country-of-gypsies-and-jews/
12   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 May 23, 10:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says
Word of the day @Patrick: Akata

From Yoruba (one of the high IQ African Groups) meaning Alley or Undomesticated Cat; mischevious never-do-well.

West African immigrants warn their kids not to hang with Akatas, listen to Akata Music, dress like an Akata.

I think you can guess that Akata is not used to refer to Vietnamese, Midwestern Whites, or Jews.


Yorubans aren't a high IQ group. Someone is bringing Nigeria's average down to 84, and it's not the Igbo.
13   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 May 23, 10:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Also not PC: Yorubans and Mende have up to 19% of their genetics inherited from a 'ghost' hominid. Bearing in mind the influence of 2-4% Neanderthal DNA on European and Asian populations, how distinct could 19% make a population? https://www.sciencenews.org/article/some-west-africans-may-have-dna-genes-ancient-ghost-hominid

"An ancient, humanlike population still undiscovered in fossils left a genetic legacy in present-day West Africans, a new study suggests. These extinct relatives of Homo sapiens passed genes to African ancestors of modern Yoruba and Mende people starting around 124,000 years ago or later, say UCLA geneticists Arun Durvasula and Sriram Sankararaman. Surviving DNA of those ancient hominids is different enough from that of Neandertals and Denisovans to suggest an entirely different hominid was the source.

"Yoruba and Mende groups’ genomes contain from 2 to 19 percent of genetic material from this mysterious “ghost population,” the scientists report February 12 in Science Advances."

Consider that the most recent hominid discovered in Africa, Homo naledi, lived until 230,000 years ago and had a brain case the size of Australopithecus (i.e., small). Did H. Naledi interbreed with humans? Was the 'ghost' ancestor from 124,000 years similar?
14   Ceffer   ignore (5)   2020 May 23, 10:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

If Igbos are so smart, how come they aren't giving white people free shit and welfare checks? It is time to cut Igbo privilege down to size!
15   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 24, 8:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Yeah, interesting theory is that Neanderthals were smarter, and there's no reason they wouldn't have been fertile with, 'Sapiens.
16   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 24, 9:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ad says
It has to do with environment. If you improve it for several generations then you will see improvement in IQ testing.


But also, as with Jews and Armenians, there was probably:

1. a strong barrier to intermarriage with the surrounding people
2. better reproductive success for smarter members of the group (so the group was competing within itself)

A relatively small group with a strong barrier to intermarriage can quickly raise its IQ when its smarter members have a reproduction advantage over other members. But if they interbreed with outsiders, their intellectual advantage gets diluted quickly.

Also, mercantile groups have pressure to increase their IQ relative to the outside groups they sell to, for the same reason that predators are typically much smarter than their prey. They need to be smarter in order to eat. I'd expect the Igbo are merchants with a long history of selling to their neighbors, but I don't know that for sure.

I've read that one reason that Sephardic Jews in Turkey have lower average IQs than Ashkenazi Jews in Europe was that the Jews in Turkey were blocked from becoming the dominant merchants of the area by the Armenians, who were already the well-established merchants. The merchant niche was already occupied.
17   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 May 24, 11:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Also, mercantile groups have pressure to increase their IQ relative to the outside groups they sell to, for the same reason that predators are typically much smarter than their prey. They need to be smarter in order to eat. I'd expect the Igbo are merchants with a long history of selling to their neighbors, but I don't know that for sure.



Or, a long history of selling their neighbors. This wiki entry lets slip that Igbo have a tradition of enslaving other ethnic groups (termed "indentured servitude" by wiki, though the years and terms of indenture appear permanent). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people#Traditional_society

Someone captured the slaves sold to Arab traders over the last millenium. Someone captured the slaves sold to European traders. Perhaps a few Igbo were caught and sold, but not systematically through slave raids: "Igbo slaves may have not been victims of slave-raiding wars or expeditions, but perhaps debtors or Igbo people who committed within their communities alleged crimes.[74]"
18   KgK one   ignore (0)   2020 May 24, 12:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Lot of IQ tests are in English, gives native English speaker advantage.
19   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 24, 12:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

goofus says
Or, a long history of selling their neighbors. This wiki entry lets slip that Igbo have a tradition of enslaving other ethnic groups


Sure, that's believable.

You have to wonder if a lot of slaves became slaves because they were not quite as smart as the people who were capturing them. Predators smarter than prey, again.

Not everyone, just a tendency. There's a book from 1789 by an Igbo guy who was captured and enslaved:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Interesting_Narrative_of_the_Life_of_Olaudah_Equiano
20   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 May 24, 12:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

KgK one says
Lot of IQ tests are in English, gives native English speaker advantage.


Doesn't apply to India or Nigeria where english is taught since grade school.

On the other hand, continental Europe and East Asia should suffer from english language bias. They, however, do as well or better than english-speaking US, Canada, and Ireland.

These days IQ tests are mainly symbolic logic like Raven's matrices (which are, however, subject to the Flynn effect -- increasing scores as familiarity with technology grows).
21   Booger   ignore (7)   2020 May 24, 7:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
Today they are running every IT department in the world.


That's because of MBA's hiring the cheapest labor possible, without regard to talent.
22   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 May 24, 7:32pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
most blacks are depressingly low on the IQ scale


"most ?"

And yet if I say I think you're a racist, I deserve to be "punched in the face."
24   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 May 25, 7:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

There are large differences in innate intelligence by race

That may be, but we are all individuals, and collectivist measures really have no meaning. Even if it can be shown that Blacks as a whole have a lower IQ as a group than Koreans, I am sure we all know some highly intelligent and gifted Blacks and maybe a few low intellect Koreans. And as time goes on, this ethnic grouping will be even less relevant - we already have world class Black Tennis, golf, and skating athletes as well as White rappers (even a Country Rapper). In the future we will see Black NASCAR and skiing champs.

If you were to group IQ tests by last name, I am sure you would find something like A-F has a consistently higher score than U-Z. That stat is just as meaningless as any grouping by "race."
25   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 May 25, 7:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Patrick says
most blacks are depressingly low on the IQ scale


"most ?"

And yet if I say I think you're a racist, I deserve to be "punched in the face."


What is the racist part? Pointing out that Blacks test lower as a whole? I will l point out that 70% of the players in the NFL are Black, is that "racist." How about pointing out that Hispanics are starting to dominate pro baseball? How about saying that people of mixed Iris-Jewish heritage make good blog sites?
26   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 May 25, 2:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
I will l point out that 70% of the players in the NFL are Black, is that "racist."


If it's true it's not racist, although context matters, and the point one is trying to make matters.

But what he said isn't even true. No mention of tests, no mention of education, no mention of averages. "Most blacks?" Don't play stupid.

HeadSet says
Hispanics are starting to dominate pro baseball?


And actually yes, fixating on this kind of thing or blacks in football, is a bit racist. But only in fairly common and benign sort of a way. Racism doesn't have to connote hate. But Trump cultist racism is a full fledged fear/hate kind of racism.
27   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 25, 3:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
That may be, but we are all individuals, and collectivist measures really have no meaning.


Yes, we are all individuals.

No, collective measures are not meaningless. These collective differences have real effects on all of our lives every day.

It's all about overlapping curves, as James Damore rightly pointed out:



The points I'm trying to make are:

1. These differences are real and apparently innate.
2. We are not allowed to speak about them.
3. You cannot fix problems you are not allowed to speak about.

In the future, as the causes of these innate differences become clearer, we will probably all get smarter whether through biological means or through new and highly effective methods of teaching and training.

But until then, it is wrong to lie about the differences, to pretend they do not exist. Or worse, to label everyone who dares to speak the truth as "racist".

Racism is the denial of equal rights and equal opportunities on the basis of race. Pointing out the inherent differences among races is not racism. It is science.
28   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 25, 3:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

One more point:

4. The constant shrill accusations of "racism" in the media (especially NPR and the NY Times) are used every day with the goal of undermining the sovereignty of the United States and the well-being of its workers.

Everyone who objects to outsourcing to China and insourcing illegals is invariably called "racist" in the mainstream press.

This is an immense evil used to support profits for the immensely rich.
30   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 May 25, 5:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Not that any Trump Cultists comprehended these the first 12 times I posted them.





31   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 25, 5:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
I've never heard anyone praising the fact that so much manufacturing is done in China, as if there is absolutely no downside for the US. Not NPR, not NYT, no liberals I have ever heard referring to constructive realistic rational discussion of this topic as racist.


Consider that the press suddenly refused to refer to the Wuhan Virus as the Wuhan Virus shortly after all this started, after using that very phrase. Why is that? Who told them to stop? We were suddenly told "Oh, it's RACIST!" to refer correctly to the origin of the virus, as is common practice otherwise. (Ebola, Zika, Spanish Flu, etc)

Are there any traditional expressions of pride in America which are not automatically smeared as "racist" by the press? We have been so conditioned by the press that even putting up an American flag can be considered "racist" these days. Why? Who benefits from indoctrination against our own country?

The obvious answer is that a strong national government with strong national borders is an impediment to the profits of international corporations. The only thing more powerful than an international corporation like Apple or Amazon is the national government. These corporations have the means, motive, and opportunity to spread the message of anti-RACISM! to divide and weaken the public and call for more "free trade" at the expense of the public. When we are divided against ourselves, what hope do we have of opposing them?

marcus says
I find the argument that preventing immigrants from being here for the lowest income jobs, is good for our economy or for working peoples wages in general to be somewhat delusional. Inflationary yes. It would be paid for by middle class, and their wages might go up just enough to cover it, but not likely.


My argument is that increasing the wages of poor US citizens increases the wages of poor US citizens.

It's hard to refute that. Our poor directly suffer because of the flood of poor illegals who drive down wages, mostly at the expense of American blacks.

But the solution (keeping them out, and mass deporting those who are here illegally) is not merely justice and a direct benefit to our poorest US citizens, it is also sound economics. When the poor get more money, they spend it. The whole economy benefits when the poor get richer. The economy does NOT benefit when the rich get richer, which is what happens via outsourcing to China and insourcing illegals. Those bad policies both harm the economy overall and increase wealth disparities, even if they temporarily provide cheaper consumer goods as we basically sell our blood for money.
32   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 25, 5:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
So much fucking dishonesty.


That's personal. Please delete that.

I'm not being dishonest at all. I believe everything I write.
33   rocketjoe79   ignore (1)   2020 May 25, 6:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I used to believe that Africa would be the last low-cost labor area to be exploited by Global Companies. I figured Asian economies would rise in GDP and outsource to Africa. But perhaps the cost of automation is less than attempting to get production from low-IQ areas. China is attempting to force bad loan agreements on certain African Countries, now they are getting pushback on their usurious agreements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacy
34   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 May 25, 6:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says

Consider that the press suddenly refused to refer to the Wuhan Virus as the Wuhan Virus shortly after all this started


Refused to ? What, becasue you or Trump told them they should ? It's a virus, and I don't believe it's even 100% known fact that it started at those wet markets in Wuhan.

Yes, historically many epidemics and pandemics were named after where they started. Many more were not. Look the fact is that yes, sometimes Trump acts like a childish asshole. So if the media reacts by thinking the opposite of what Trump say is the route to go, it shouldn't be a surprise.

It's actually objective of the press to not include emotions based on nationalism or whatever to enter in to the naming of a virus. Does China call aids "the Africa virus" or "the America Virus." If some terrible virus started here, wouldn't we appreciate other countries calling it by a scientific name rather than "the America virus?"

The way that language evolves is an organic and democratic process you or Trump don't get to control it.

Patrick says
The whole economy benefits when the poor get richer.


Your point misses that the poor already earn that money. They just happen to be poor undocumented immigrants.

What you are really arguing is that having less poor Americans will make the ones that remain better off. (At a time when unemployment was recently close to 0%). I'm not so sure that's true. But in any case it requires us to redefine what economic growth means, becasue when you subtract from the population, consumption goes down.


Details...
35   WineHorror1   ignore (1)   2020 May 25, 8:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
marcus says
I've never heard anyone praising the fact that so much manufacturing is done in China, as if there is absolutely no downside for the US. Not NPR, not NYT, no liberals I have ever heard referring to constructive realistic rational discussion of this topic as racist.


Consider that the press suddenly refused to refer to the Wuhan Virus as the Wuhan Virus shortly after all this started, after using that very phrase. Why is that? Who told them to stop? We were suddenly told "Oh, it's RACIST!" to refer correctly to the origin of the virus, as is common practice otherwise. (Ebola, Zika, Spanish Flu, etc)

Are there any traditional expressions of pride in America which are not automatically smeared as "racist" by the press? We have been so conditioned by the press that even putting up an American flag can be considered "racist" these days. Why? Who benefits from indoctrination against ...

Patrick, where do you get your patience? Thank you for your efforts.
36   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 25, 9:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Not that any Trump Cultists comprehended these the first 12 times I posted them.


We've provided many arguments. Here are two immediately off the top of my head.

1. The funding levels of the border are set by Congress. Until 2019, that was a Republican Congress. They had every incentive to hire more agents for political purposes - contra Obama.

2. The decline in apprehensions can be related to both the reality and perception that crossing the US Border is no longer so easy.
2b. Many executive orders under Trump have curtailed release into the USA policies, worked with Mexico to retain individuals while their refugee/legal status is held in courts, etc. By contrast, Leftists have filed suits in very Blue states in order to stop these new policies.
2b1. The ACLU, far from fighting Lockdown orders on US Citizens, has been spending it's time and energy fighting the US Government enforcement of policy against illegals, bizarrely allowing US Citizens to have their freedom curtailed in the USA, but rather demanding the US Government (at least for the duration of the crisis) cease holding illegals and demanding they release unvaccinated, untested illegals right into the General Population without any safeguards. While allowing the US Government to Quarantine healthy US Citizens without evidence or due process.
37   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 May 25, 11:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Not that any Trump Cultists comprehended these the first 12 times I posted them.



Not that marcus can necessarily remember back to earlier conversations on this topic, but none other than the Los Angeles Times blows his argument out of the water. We've been over this ground before: Obama changed the definition of "deportation" to include turnarounds at the border, a metric which had never been used before. His numbers were artificial. "Deporter-in-Chief" was a myth.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

"But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

"Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

"On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency’s deportation statistics.

"The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than for Obama's."
38   Dholliday126   ignore (0)   2020 May 25, 11:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Someone throw up IQ by race overlay with average dick size.
39   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 May 25, 11:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Dholliday126 says
Someone throw up IQ by race overlay with average dick size.


India and SE Asia mess up that otherwise tidy inverse relationship.
40   Rin   ignore (7)   2020 Jun 3, 2:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

goofus says
India and SE Asia mess up that otherwise tidy inverse relationship.


There is the exception which proves the rule .... his name is Oliver Wendell John Holmes, high IQ with a huge schlong.

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